This is a response from an earlier thread called Keith's Fingers. Read it carefully. If this is true, then this is BIG!!!
Re: Keith's fingers
Posted by: KRiffhard ()
Date: June 23, 2012 00:11

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there are innovations (already used during the last tours): 1. adding a hidden guitarist to play Keith's stuff, 2. more posing instead of playing - performed by Keith himself, 3. forcing Ronnie to play below his abilities to avoid playing better than Keith (poor Ronnie…)

The owner of this web site needs to set up some rules to prevent people like you from making up things that quite possibly are not true. I will not argue point 2 with you but would only add that is obnoxious.

As for point 1, I have several questions for you. What is the name of this phantom guitarist? Who told you someone other than Keith is playing his parts in songs? Do you understand that, if a large number of people actually believed your nonsense, the Stones credibility would be ruined and possibly their careers? Once again, who is this phantom guitarist, what is his date of birth, and what does he look like? Can you show us his picture?

As for point 3, here is my question. Are you crazy? Ronnie is a great guitarist and plays his heart out. I have seen him in 5 live concerts, and he is a terrific guitarist.

Blondie Chaplin

Posted by: StonesTod ()
Date: August 25, 2010 17:21

Having a chat with Stonesdoug at the Cabbage Patch in London prior to one of the Twicks gigs in '06....we having a good laugh about about this...Doug says "you know that Blondie is covering for about half of Keith's parts these days," to which I reply, "so, who's covering the other half??"

Posted by: Jah Paul ()
Date: August 25, 2010 22:05

Back in 2002 (Licks Tour) when I was waiting on line for my wristband at The Wiltern, a guy in front of me claimed to be either a guitar tech or roadie for Blondie back when he was with The Beach Boys. He went on and on about how great a guitarist Blondie was, and how he was still friends with him, etc. - and I distinctly remember him saying, "You know he plays a lot of Les Paul up there...you just don't see him!"
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He adds filler to make the sound more full on some selected songs, he doesnt play Keith's part, Ronnie's part, etc.

I'm not even sure I understand your rant flimflam.

Are you saying Blondie ISN'T covering Keith's guitar parts? Why is he holding the guitar then, taking posing lessons from Keith?

BTW, classic ST quote, thank you for that!

i have never heard him play the many times I've seen the Stones with Blondie. Inaudible. In fact it's like he isn't even plugged in.

Every good of bum chord or note comes from keith guitar.



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He adds filler to make the sound more full on some selected songs, he doesnt play Keith's part, Ronnie's part, etc.

You can actually buy 'guitar filler' at the Home Depot, so perhaps they can use that instead of Blondie on the next tour.

I would say, no.

...but when I do see Blondie at the club, he does play a Les Paul.

Let me see if I have this right? Some man named Stonesdoug (doesn't sound like a real person to me), and some guy who claimed to be a guitar tech or roadie told you this, and you believed it? Is that correct? Are you serious? Would this hearsay be acceptable in a Court of Law? Do you believe everything someone tells you?

Is that all you have? Are there any recordings of Blondie on YouTube, featuring Blondie's playing. Then we could listen in and surmise if there are any similarities between Blondie's style and Keith's style.

I am not trying to be a jerk here. But if someone can provide the rest of us with concrete evidence of this major fraud, I will listen and be objective about it. I hope everyone would try to be objective also.

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Let me see if I have this right? Some man named Stonesdoug (doesn't sound like a real person to me), and some guy who claimed to be a guitar tech or roadie told you this, and you believed it? Is that correct? Are you serious? Would this hearsay be acceptable in a Court of Law? Do you believe everything someone tells you?

Is that all you have? Are there any recordings of Blondie on YouTube, featuring Blondie's playing. Then we could listen in and surmise if there are any similarities between Blondie's style and Keith's style.

I am not trying to be a jerk here. But if someone can provide the rest of us with concrete evidence of this major fraud, I will listen and be objective about it. I hope everyone would try to be objective also.

That's a relief.

Somebody post a video of Blondie playing Keith's parts. Rule is it has to be audible. You know what. It doesn't exist. he stums the acoustic and electric. He doesn't play Keith's parts at all.

Blondie often sits in with Waddy Wachtel in his LA shows. I've seen Waddy play "Bitch" with a number of 2nd guitarists, but nothing nails it like when he does it with Blondie. One of the rare times when Waddy lets someone else play lead.

BTW, does Taylor or Keith play the lead on the studio recording?

Sticky Fingers original studio recording of Bitch has Keith on rhythm (playing the main riff) with Taylor on the lead noodling.

At this point in time I don't care how much he plays or doesn't play. I want to remember him for all of his greatness.

...I'll get in touch with Mr Chops ...He'll know the answer

ROCKMAN

Flilflam, are you kidding? You never heard of StonesDoug? Google him as I can't believe you've been around any of these message boards for long if you've never heard of him. As far as Blondie adding a third guitar- this is EXTREMELY old news. Are you new to the Stones? If so, OK, but to come off with all this outrage towards the OP is way off the mark. If not, I don't know how you haven't heard about this many times before. And, I don't recall anyone saying ANYTHING about Blondie playing guitar in the studio.

Also, RE: Ronnie Wood. I've seen them around 25 times and yes Ronnie can be great (as he was last month in Atlantic City) but I've also seen him playing worse than many guys at the local pub on a Saturday night. Just my 2 cents.



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those showoffs at the local pub on saturday nights are just trying to make the stones look bad, you know...cos they're jealous of the money and stuff....

If somebody was covering for Keith, or playing his parts, wouldn't "he" sound better? Not saying he sounds terrible, but not so good that I've ever had the suspicion that somebody else was playing.

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If somebody was covering for Keith, or playing his parts, wouldn't "he" sound better? Not saying he sounds terrible, but not so good that I've ever had the suspicion that somebody else was playing.

well, blondie has prolly just practiced hard at sounding as bad as keith...you think that's easy?

well, blondie has prolly just practiced hard at sounding as bad as keith...you think that's easy?[/quote]

Blondie goes to the pub on Saturdays.

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At this point in time I don't care how much he plays or doesn't play. I want to remember him for all of his greatness.

Blondie has that affect on people.

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If somebody was covering for Keith, or playing his parts, wouldn't "he" sound better? Not saying he sounds terrible, but not so good that I've ever had the suspicion that somebody else was playing.

so what are you saying, that keith is in fact playing some of the parts, and the proof is because it sounds terrible?

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At this point in time I don't care how much he plays or doesn't play. I want to remember him for all of his greatness.

Blondie has that affect on people.

i will not tolerate any more of this blondie bashing. okay, so he's not the same guy who ripped it up with the beach boys and paul butterfield...we all get old...or something.

Sigh. Where to even begin here...

Let me just focus on the main question: Is Blondie Chaplin Playing All of Keith's Guitar Parts in the Studio and at Concerts? If I were to take that question literally, word for word...the answer is NO. Blondie is not playing all of guitar's parts in the studio and at concerts. As tasty as it sounds to entertain this idea, we can stop right here on any conspiracy talk that there is someone behind the curtain doing all of Keith's parts. That is just not happening. Let's think about this logically shall we?

Arguemnt 1: If Blondie was actually doing all of Keith's guitar parts...Blondie would have to perform with the exact same guitar that Keith is using. That's the only way to effectively dub for him, isn't it? If Keith has a Tele--Blondie should have a Tele. If Keith is in Open G...Blondie should be in open G. But that is NOT the case at all. Blondie is never in open G. Blondie is always in standard tuning whether it be on his Les Paul or on his acoustic guitar. He and Keith are never coordinated with the same setup in this regard. So that eliminates all the songs in an open tuning to accuse Blondie of subbing for Keith: Start me up, Jumpin Jack Flash,Tumblin Dice, All Down the Line, YCAGWYW, Street fighting Man.

"Brown Sugar" - Keith: Tele, open G....Blondie...acoustic in standard tuning. So how the heck is Blondie playing as Keith here?




Argument: 2: Keith up there "miming" his guitar parts would be an absolute fecking waste of time. There is just no logic in touring across the globe and going up on stage and have someone ELSE do your guitar parts. If you seriously think that someone else is doing the guitar parts, do you seriously think Keith would have sounded as bad as he did during the 2007 tour? Where's the consistency in this conspiracy?

Argument 3: Look up any video you like of the Stones and see/hear it for yourself. Honestly, this isn't rocket science, people. You have your doubts? You think it's a conspiracy? Watch footage of the Stones...keep your eyes on Keith...listen to what he's doing. You will see for yourself that the sound you hear is coming out of that guitar. It may not be pretty sometimes--but it's Keith.

"Satisfaction" - Keith on the Gibson, I have no idea how it would be possible for Blondie to dub all of Keith's part on this while on stage. All Blondie can see is Keith's back...no clear view of his fingers or where he is on the neck. With all the fills Keith does switching from the E to the A chord during the verses to the little flubs he makes on the riff, to that very spastic/uneven solo...it is absolutely impossible for anyone to dub any of that live on stage. That's all unplanned and spontaneous. You can't predict what fill Keith is going to do. Even with Blondie sitting in front of a TV screen watching a live direct feed of Keith playing the guitar--there's no way to anticipate which direction Keith is going.




The whole notion of Blondie subbing for Keith came around the tail end of the ABB tour on specific songs that Keith obviously could not handle. So Blondie provided a layer of foundation under Keith. Songs like "Little T&A" were the glaring offenses:




It's hard to trust ANY footage from that Austin show since it's riddled with overdubs but there were no other versions of this song avaialble on YouTube. Blondie is there to assist the sound...fill in the holes...and even out the guitar soundscape. There are no secrets about it nor a conspiracy. But is Blondie actually dubbing Keith on all of his parts? No.

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If somebody was covering for Keith, or playing his parts, wouldn't "he" sound better? Not saying he sounds terrible, but not so good that I've ever had the suspicion that somebody else was playing.

so what are you saying, that keith is in fact playing some of the parts, and the proof is because it sounds terrible?

No that's not what I'm saying. First hint is where I said "not saying he sounds terrible...". I'm saying that nothing sounds so good it's out of place, or beyond the skill we've seen Keith demonstrate in recent years. I was not attempting to prove anything, or offer any proof, just saying that nothing I've heard sticks out to my ear as being beyond Keith's skill level.

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If somebody was covering for Keith, or playing his parts, wouldn't "he" sound better? Not saying he sounds terrible, but not so good that I've ever had the suspicion that somebody else was playing.

so what are you saying, that keith is in fact playing some of the parts, and the proof is because it sounds terrible?

No that's not what I'm saying. First hint is where I said "not saying he sounds terrible...". I'm saying that nothing sounds so good it's out of place, or beyond the skill we've seen Keith demonstrate in recent years. I was not attempting to prove anything, or offer any proof, just saying that nothing I've heard sticks out to my ear as being beyond Keith's skill level.

gotcha...a carefully worded ringing endorsement.

I'm glad someone took the time to lay this out, as I really wasn't up for it. But geez, as you said, it ain't rocket science. I can just see Blondie walking into the dressing room and asking Mick, "So is it tonight or tomorrow that I'm scheduled to mess up the Brown Sugar intro and make a complete mess of the Sympathy solo?"

ya... sure Blondie plays all Keiths parts,,,

and Lisa and Bernard are singing all Micks parts

This is clearly how it goes when it comes to officially released live recordings since 2002:

Blondie goes into the studio under deep cover and overdubs Keith's parts. Then, the next night, Keith sneaks in and overdubs over what he thinks are his own, original, tracks, but are actually Blondie's overdubs.

Hence the confusion.

If you isolate Blondie's parts in the montior mix, you'll discover more often than not he's just playing "Sail On, Sailor" the same way Brian liked to play "Popeye the Sailor Man" during "Satisfaction."

That's about as serious a remark as the StonesDoug/StonesTod exchange which was making fun of conspiracy theories among Stones fans, not confirming their validity.

As Clapton is my witness, you need to recognize that if StonesTod is attached to the quote, a sense of humor is lurking beneath the words like a floating mine.

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ya... sure Blondie plays all Keiths parts,,,

and Lisa and Bernard are singing all Micks parts

Good one.

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At this point in time I don't care how much he plays or doesn't play. I want to remember him for all of his greatness.

Blondie has that affect on people.

i will not tolerate any more of this blondie bashing. okay, so he's not the same guy who ripped it up with the beach boys and paul butterfield...we all get old...or something.

Jeez, Tod. No Blondie bashing. No Chuck bashing. Whom are we allowed to bash? You're no fun at all.