Naturalust, you make curing arthritis sound as easy as taking an aspirin. It isn't. I know from experience....

I know from my parents - if they stop taking fish-oil pills for a week or so - they can feel the pain in the joints..

Glad for your parents mtaylor. Certain kinds of arthritis don't respond to treatments. My mother tried everything, including fish oil, diet changes, the lot. It just got progressively worse with time...

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there are innovations (already used during the last tours): 1. adding a hidden guitarist to play Keith's stuff, 2. more posing instead of playing - performed by Keith himself, 3. forcing Ronnie to play below his abilities to avoid playing better than Keith (poor Ronnie…)

The owner of this web site needs to set up some rules to prevent people like you from making up things that quite possibly are not true. I will not argue point 2 with you but would only add that is obnoxious.

As for point 1, I have several questions for you. What is the name of this phantom guitarist? Who told you someone other than Keith is playing his parts in songs? Do you understand that, if a large number of people actually believed your nonsense, the Stones credibility would be ruined and possibly their careers? Once again, who is this phantom guitarist, what is his date of birth, and what does he look like? Can you show us his picture?

As for point 3, here is my question. Are you crazy? Ronnie is a great guitarist and plays his heart out. I have seen him in 5 live concerts, and he is a terrific guitarist.

Thing is signs of those knuckles were there already in the 60s. From what I know the stiffness in Keith also comes from the huge amounts of coke and speed he's been using since the beginning of time. Those are drugs that actually make the hands and fingers cold and stiff.
When he was on smack he could play anything but his style got stiff when he quit.

The problem seems to be his total lack of inspiration. Same three solos on every song, same short licks etc. But the hands do look awful.

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The problem seems to be his total lack of inspiration. Same three solos on every song

you got THREE?? you lucky dog...we only got two at our shows...

keith's fingers, eh?

reminds me, in the 70's we had a intramural football team called 'keith's teeth'

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there are innovations (already used during the last tours): 1. adding a hidden guitarist to play Keith's stuff, 2. more posing instead of playing - performed by Keith himself, 3. forcing Ronnie to play below his abilities to avoid playing better than Keith (poor Ronnie…)

The owner of this web site needs to set up some rules to prevent people like you from making up things that quite possibly are not true. I will not argue point 2 with you but would only add that is obnoxious.

As for point 1, I have several questions for you. What is the name of this phantom guitarist? Who told you someone other than Keith is playing his parts in songs? Do you understand that, if a large number of people actually believed your nonsense, the Stones credibility would be ruined and possibly their careers? Once again, who is this phantom guitarist, what is his date of birth, and what does he look like? Can you show us his picture?

As for point 3, here is my question. Are you crazy? Ronnie is a great guitarist and plays his heart out. I have seen him in 5 live concerts, and he is a terrific guitarist.

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Posted by: StonesTod ()
Date: August 25, 2010 17:21

Having a chat with Stonesdoug at the Cabbage Patch in London prior to one of the Twicks gigs in '06....we having a good laugh about about this...Doug says "you know that Blondie is covering for about half of Keith's parts these days," to which I reply, "so, who's covering the other half??"

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Date: August 25, 2010 22:05

Back in 2002 (Licks Tour) when I was waiting on line for my wristband at The Wiltern, a guy in front of me claimed to be either a guitar tech or roadie for Blondie back when he was with The Beach Boys. He went on and on about how great a guitarist Blondie was, and how he was still friends with him, etc. - and I distinctly remember him saying, "You know he plays a lot of Les Paul up there...you just don't see him!"
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good heaven's! we're dipping into the archives today! woo-hoo! more archives, please!

You beat me to it KRiffhard. I had thought it common knowledge on here at least that Blondie was filling in the gaps for Keith. As to point 3, lately Ronnie has been playing alot and well, at least from what I've heard. However the last three times I saw the Stones he was laying back or jaw droppingly bad. All things being equal, all three points can be substantiated...



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You beat me to it KRiffhard. I had thouht it common knowledge on here at least that Blondie was filling in the gaps for Keith

or perhaps he's just up there for his winning looks...

Just when one can see him on stage Tod..

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Just when one can see him on stage Tod..

well, the backstage folks wanna have a gander, too....

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You beat me to it KRiffhard. I had thought it common knowledge on here at least that Blondie was filling in the gaps for Keith. As to point 3, lately Ronnie has been playing alot and well, at least from what I've heard. However the last three times I saw the Stones he was laying back or jaw droppingly bad. All things being equal, all three points can be substantiated...

wasn't there something in the book, about 'not quite filling the gap'?

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The problem seems to be his total lack of inspiration. Same three solos on every song

you got THREE?? you lucky dog...we only got two at our shows...

I meant same three notes the last 20 years.

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You beat me to it KRiffhard. I had thought it common knowledge on here at least that Blondie was filling in the gaps for Keith. As to point 3, lately Ronnie has been playing alot and well, at least from what I've heard. However the last three times I saw the Stones he was laying back or jaw droppingly bad. All things being equal, all three points can be substantiated...

It is common knowledge. Flilflam seems to ignore some truths for whatever reason.

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Who told you someone other than Keith is playing his parts in songs? Do you understand that, if a large number of people actually believed your nonsense, the Stones credibility would be ruined and possibly their careers?

It hasn't bothered you at all. It hasn't kept people from going to see the Stones. It hasn't ruined their credibility, whatever that is, nor their careers, by any means.

How can you sit there and make this stuff up with a serious put on? Are you really that blind?

Wait. What? I just answered my own question.

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The problem seems to be his total lack of inspiration. Same three solos on every song

you got THREE?? you lucky dog...we only got two at our shows...

I meant same three notes the last 20 years.

Well guys there are only 12 to choose from so it's all pretty damn simple anyway. The question/point is,,How did it feel? I don't doubt they were the perfect notes for the song in that moment.

Keith is capable of alot still, He has EARNED my respect for all the thousands of times he has rocked my world. Let him grow old gracefully and quit this disrespectful crap I say.

ChrisM, try the botswella serrata please. It has helped me and quite a few other professional guitarists here in California. It's worth a try no matter how much stuff you have tried before. I am speaking from real experience here. The benefits were noticeable after a week of supplements. I don't have pain or swelling in my finger joints anymore and my diet is anything I want, anytime I want. Low quantity, high quality if I have a choice in the matter. peace

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Keith is capable of alot still, He has EARNED my respect for all the thousands of times he has rocked my world. Let him grow old gracefully and quit this disrespectful crap I say.

we have some input as to the manner in which he grows old?

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Lots of BS on these posts. YES there are some new cures for arthritis and some of them work quite well. Most people could get a handle on arthritis very quickly if they were willing to change their diets, unfortunately most people, like Keith, probably are not willing to do that.

Haven't you been to a pharmacy lately and seen the rows and rows of "Joint Pain" relief medicines? The reason there are so many of them is because they work somewhat and they are selling.

The most popular are Glucosamine, MSM and Chondrotin. Be careful and make sure you get Glucosamine Sulfate and not Hydrochloride. The Hydrochloride type has NOT shown to have the same results and companies are cashing in just on the name Glucosamine. Crushed crustacean shells and shark cartlidge have definately shown to help certain types of arthritis.

BUT, the real secret medicine for this as far as I'm concerned is called Botswella Serrata. Comes from an African tree bark. This stuff is just magic. I started to get hand problems and after taking this for a month they completely went away! The stuff had been around for a long time, I think it is the same as frankensense, the stuff the wise men brought baby Jesus in the manger over 2000 years ago. Wise men were wise then too, I'm not surprised.

Big Pharm companies are trying to get patents on the stuff now so we consumers have to get it from them but hopefully it will remain available to those who seek it out from other sources.

Keith could do alot to help those swollen joints and I hope he does before this next years tour, because I am expecting him to rip it up and blow everyone away at least one more time. peace

And a little BS in here, too, Naturalust.

"Most people could get a handle on arthritis very quickly if they were willing to change their diets"

I find this comment interesting, and would like to know more behind the basis of it, but suspect the "research" that's been done to support it is by Kevin Troudeau types who truly believe "big pharma" contributes more to health problems than they help. This all sounds a little like quackery or a subtle homeopathic sales pitch. But hey, if African tree bark works for some, that's great. as you say...peace.

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Lots of BS on these posts. YES there are some new cures for arthritis and some of them work quite well. Most people could get a handle on arthritis very quickly if they were willing to change their diets, unfortunately most people, like Keith, probably are not willing to do that.

Haven't you been to a pharmacy lately and seen the rows and rows of "Joint Pain" relief medicines? The reason there are so many of them is because they work somewhat and they are selling.

The most popular are Glucosamine, MSM and Chondrotin. Be careful and make sure you get Glucosamine Sulfate and not Hydrochloride. The Hydrochloride type has NOT shown to have the same results and companies are cashing in just on the name Glucosamine. Crushed crustacean shells and shark cartlidge have definately shown to help certain types of arthritis.

BUT, the real secret medicine for this as far as I'm concerned is called Botswella Serrata. Comes from an African tree bark. This stuff is just magic. I started to get hand problems and after taking this for a month they completely went away! The stuff had been around for a long time, I think it is the same as frankensense, the stuff the wise men brought baby Jesus in the manger over 2000 years ago. Wise men were wise then too, I'm not surprised.

Big Pharm companies are trying to get patents on the stuff now so we consumers have to get it from them but hopefully it will remain available to those who seek it out from other sources.

Keith could do alot to help those swollen joints and I hope he does before this next years tour, because I am expecting him to rip it up and blow everyone away at least one more time. peace

And a little BS in here, too, Naturalust.

"Most people could get a handle on arthritis very quickly if they were willing to change their diets"

total bunk.

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Lots of BS on these posts. YES there are some new cures for arthritis and some of them work quite well. Most people could get a handle on arthritis very quickly if they were willing to change their diets, unfortunately most people, like Keith, probably are not willing to do that.

Haven't you been to a pharmacy lately and seen the rows and rows of "Joint Pain" relief medicines? The reason there are so many of them is because they work somewhat and they are selling.

The most popular are Glucosamine, MSM and Chondrotin. Be careful and make sure you get Glucosamine Sulfate and not Hydrochloride. The Hydrochloride type has NOT shown to have the same results and companies are cashing in just on the name Glucosamine. Crushed crustacean shells and shark cartlidge have definately shown to help certain types of arthritis.

BUT, the real secret medicine for this as far as I'm concerned is called Botswella Serrata. Comes from an African tree bark. This stuff is just magic. I started to get hand problems and after taking this for a month they completely went away! The stuff had been around for a long time, I think it is the same as frankensense, the stuff the wise men brought baby Jesus in the manger over 2000 years ago. Wise men were wise then too, I'm not surprised.

Big Pharm companies are trying to get patents on the stuff now so we consumers have to get it from them but hopefully it will remain available to those who seek it out from other sources.

Keith could do alot to help those swollen joints and I hope he does before this next years tour, because I am expecting him to rip it up and blow everyone away at least one more time. peace

And a little BS in here, too, Naturalust.

"Most people could get a handle on arthritis very quickly if they were willing to change their diets"

total bunk.

No mate, not total bunk, get out from under that rock and wake up to the truth of it all. You have to give it a try before you can call foul. I speak the truth here. peace

I am certain Keith will be using this next tour.....



Seriously though he will do fine. I just hope he swallows his pride and let's Ronnie take some solo's he can't play well at all anymore.

Surely no one actually going to see them expects to hear the best version of Brown Sugar ever! The glimmer twins will both be 70 years old and possibly rockin a world tour??!!



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Arthritis is most recently defined as bacterioa that gets into the isolated fluid sacks around out joints and causes swelling, which in turn causes pain and eventually joint deformation. The reason traditional blood based medicines don't work is that these pockets of bacteria filled fluid are separate from the blood system and don't respond to anti-bacterial drugs like Ampicillin.

Some people are trying to find other ways into these joint areas and some people are trying to starve out the bacteria by diet changes. It is the simpliest and least destructive way imho, using the bodies already in place mechanisms to root out what the body originally created.

I am not a doctor , but have been married to one for years so I read alot of technical data that is around on the subject. I am usually suspect as most of the good research is funded by Big Pharm and objective studies without a pre-determined goal are few and far between. But in the case of arthritis, I was turned on to Botswella Serrata by another professional guitarist who in now in his 60's and was almost cripled with the disease at one time. After seeing the effects on this chap I decided it was worth a try and I haven't regretted that decision for one day.

I am also a bee keeper and I harvest honey and pollen from my bees. I think both those substances have also helped to give me a guitar playing life, free of finger pain and arthritis, which is hereditary and in my families gene pool. I am committed to the results which are real and measureable on this man's body. So speaking from that experience I believe other people could benefit, that is why I share the information. If I could do one thing for Keith it would be to get him on the stuff before it is too late. peace

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Lots of BS on these posts. YES there are some new cures for arthritis and some of them work quite well. Most people could get a handle on arthritis very quickly if they were willing to change their diets, unfortunately most people, like Keith, probably are not willing to do that.

Haven't you been to a pharmacy lately and seen the rows and rows of "Joint Pain" relief medicines? The reason there are so many of them is because they work somewhat and they are selling.

The most popular are Glucosamine, MSM and Chondrotin. Be careful and make sure you get Glucosamine Sulfate and not Hydrochloride. The Hydrochloride type has NOT shown to have the same results and companies are cashing in just on the name Glucosamine. Crushed crustacean shells and shark cartlidge have definately shown to help certain types of arthritis.

BUT, the real secret medicine for this as far as I'm concerned is called Botswella Serrata. Comes from an African tree bark. This stuff is just magic. I started to get hand problems and after taking this for a month they completely went away! The stuff had been around for a long time, I think it is the same as frankensense, the stuff the wise men brought baby Jesus in the manger over 2000 years ago. Wise men were wise then too, I'm not surprised.

Big Pharm companies are trying to get patents on the stuff now so we consumers have to get it from them but hopefully it will remain available to those who seek it out from other sources.

Keith could do alot to help those swollen joints and I hope he does before this next years tour, because I am expecting him to rip it up and blow everyone away at least one more time. peace

And a little BS in here, too, Naturalust.

"Most people could get a handle on arthritis very quickly if they were willing to change their diets"

total bunk.

No mate, not total bunk, get out from under that rock and wake up to the truth of it all. You have to give it a try before you can call foul. I speak the truth here. peace

total bs, dude. there ain't a doctor worth his weight in salt that would tell you diet can cure arthritis or dramatically lessen its effects. you don't speak the truth there at all.



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Lots of BS on these posts. YES there are some new cures for arthritis and some of them work quite well. Most people could get a handle on arthritis very quickly if they were willing to change their diets, unfortunately most people, like Keith, probably are not willing to do that.

Haven't you been to a pharmacy lately and seen the rows and rows of "Joint Pain" relief medicines? The reason there are so many of them is because they work somewhat and they are selling.

The most popular are Glucosamine, MSM and Chondrotin. Be careful and make sure you get Glucosamine Sulfate and not Hydrochloride. The Hydrochloride type has NOT shown to have the same results and companies are cashing in just on the name Glucosamine. Crushed crustacean shells and shark cartlidge have definately shown to help certain types of arthritis.

BUT, the real secret medicine for this as far as I'm concerned is called Botswella Serrata. Comes from an African tree bark. This stuff is just magic. I started to get hand problems and after taking this for a month they completely went away! The stuff had been around for a long time, I think it is the same as frankensense, the stuff the wise men brought baby Jesus in the manger over 2000 years ago. Wise men were wise then too, I'm not surprised.

Big Pharm companies are trying to get patents on the stuff now so we consumers have to get it from them but hopefully it will remain available to those who seek it out from other sources.

Keith could do alot to help those swollen joints and I hope he does before this next years tour, because I am expecting him to rip it up and blow everyone away at least one more time. peace

And a little BS in here, too, Naturalust.

"Most people could get a handle on arthritis very quickly if they were willing to change their diets"

total bunk.

No mate, not total bunk, get out from under that rock and wake up to the truth of it all. You have to give it a try before you can call foul. I speak the truth here. peace

total bs, dude. there ain't a doctor worth his weight in salt that would tell you diet can cure arthritis or dramatically lessen its effects. you don't speak the truth there at all.

Sorry Tod you are dead wrong there. Plenty of GREAT doctors willing to commit to the diet change philosophy in order to treat arthritis. Of course you can choose to believe what you want but don't rain on my parade because I'm here to tell you , you are just plain wrong. I suggest you do some research of your own before you choose to call my thoughtful post B.S.

There are countless stories of people treating this condition with nothing other than diet changes. Of course not all people will be helped as dramatically as I and some of my good friends have been but diet in the #1 factor in improving your health if you are not too far gone already. I could get the testimonials for you but I get the feeling you mind is made up already so I won't waste my time. peace

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get out from under that rock and

roll ?

Keep On Rolling

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Lots of BS on these posts. YES there are some new cures for arthritis and some of them work quite well. Most people could get a handle on arthritis very quickly if they were willing to change their diets, unfortunately most people, like Keith, probably are not willing to do that.

Haven't you been to a pharmacy lately and seen the rows and rows of "Joint Pain" relief medicines? The reason there are so many of them is because they work somewhat and they are selling.

The most popular are Glucosamine, MSM and Chondrotin. Be careful and make sure you get Glucosamine Sulfate and not Hydrochloride. The Hydrochloride type has NOT shown to have the same results and companies are cashing in just on the name Glucosamine. Crushed crustacean shells and shark cartlidge have definately shown to help certain types of arthritis.

BUT, the real secret medicine for this as far as I'm concerned is called Botswella Serrata. Comes from an African tree bark. This stuff is just magic. I started to get hand problems and after taking this for a month they completely went away! The stuff had been around for a long time, I think it is the same as frankensense, the stuff the wise men brought baby Jesus in the manger over 2000 years ago. Wise men were wise then too, I'm not surprised.

Big Pharm companies are trying to get patents on the stuff now so we consumers have to get it from them but hopefully it will remain available to those who seek it out from other sources.

Keith could do alot to help those swollen joints and I hope he does before this next years tour, because I am expecting him to rip it up and blow everyone away at least one more time. peace

And a little BS in here, too, Naturalust.

"Most people could get a handle on arthritis very quickly if they were willing to change their diets"

total bunk.

No mate, not total bunk, get out from under that rock and wake up to the truth of it all. You have to give it a try before you can call foul. I speak the truth here. peace

total bs, dude. there ain't a doctor worth his weight in salt that would tell you diet can cure arthritis or dramatically lessen its effects. you don't speak the truth there at all.

Sorry Tod you are dead wrong there. Plenty of GREAT doctors willing to commit to the diet change philosophy in order to treat arthritis. Of course you can choose to believe what you want but don't rain on my parade because I'm here to tell you , you are just plain wrong. I suggest you do some research of your own before you choose to call my thoughtful post B.S.

There are countless stories of people treating this condition with nothing other than diet changes. Of course not all people will be helped as dramatically as I and some of my good friends have been but diet in the #1 factor in improving your health if you are not too far gone already. I could get the testimonials for you but I get the feeling you mind is made up already so I won't waste my time. peace

well, my mind is made up based on many doctors with whom my wife and i have discussed her severe condition. i guess we just keep encountering quacks. but, please feel free to waste your time as you see fit.