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Re: Tour itinery prediction 2013.........
Posted by: Edith Grove ()
Date: June 19, 2012 04:51

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stevecardi
But yeah, sadly I doubt the Stones would go back to the Superdome

No need to, nor would I want to see them in the dome again.

There's a 19,000-seat arena right next door, or if they should choose NOLA for a theatre show,
there's a freshly renovated venue on Canal Street as well as another larger theatre that will be finished renovating by 2013, both just steps from the French Quarter.

Actually, the arena was rumored for a March 2006 show, listed here on IORR, but removed after the hurricane.
Ironically, there was a Billy Graham Crusade that took place on that date in March, '06.


Re: Tour itinery prediction 2013.........
Posted by: erikjjf ()
Date: June 19, 2012 08:57

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Edith Grove
Actually, the arena was rumored for a March 2006 show, listed here on IORR, but removed after the hurricane.

It was even listed on rs.com for a short while.

Re: Tour itinerary prediction 2013.........
Posted by: Doc ()
Date: June 19, 2012 11:05

I think that IF they tour, they will play about 50 shows or a birt more.
Since the band needs a lot of rehearsals, they won't rehearse unless they play a reasonable amount of shows afterwards.

I'd bet for less cities with more shows :

NYC - 5
Chicago - 2
Dallas - 3
LA - 5
Seattle - 2
Toronto - 3
Montreal - 2

Rio
Buenos Aires

Tokyo - 5
Hong Kong - 2
Sydney - 3

Dubai - 2

Amsterdam - 5
Paris - 2
Berlin - 3
Moscow - 2
Munich - 3
Rome - 2
Dublin - 3
London - 5 to 10 ?

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Re: Tour itinerary prediction 2013.........
Posted by: Gazza ()
Date: June 19, 2012 14:17

Three shows in Dublin?

5 to 10 in London? A city where they couldnt sell out three arena shows in 2007?

Where do people think the public demand and revenue is coming from to fill multiple nights at the prices the Stones charge?

The ONLY way they'll be able to play multi-night stands in arenas in any city is if they dramatically change their pricing structures. They couldnt do it last time anywhere either - when they added more arena shows in places like New York and LA, they did so several months after the original couple of dates. It was necessary to spread the dates out like that, in order to give people's wallets time to recover.

And if we're talking stadiums, then its an even more unrealistic concept.

Re: Tour itinerary prediction 2013.........
Posted by: EddieByword ()
Date: June 19, 2012 14:50

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Gazza
Three shows in Dublin?

5 to 10 in London? A city where they couldnt sell out three arena shows in 2007?

Where do people think the public demand and revenue is coming from to fill multiple nights at the prices the Stones charge?

The ONLY way they'll be able to play multi-night stands in arenas in any city is if they dramatically change their pricing structures. They couldnt do it last time anywhere either - when they added more arena shows in places like New York and LA, they did so several months after the original couple of dates. It was necessary to spread the dates out like that, in order to give people's wallets time to recover.

And if we're talking stadiums, then its an even more unrealistic concept.

I don't doubt your info there but that is surprising news to me.....wow...........
that's amazing......how much undersold were they ? Do yo know ?............
3 shows in Dublin ? I'm guessing Doc might live nearby at least........

I met a woman and she told me...."well baby...... well the blues ain't bad"...........

Re: Tour itinerary prediction 2013.........
Posted by: Stoneswolf ()
Date: June 19, 2012 15:10

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Gazza
Three shows in Dublin?

5 to 10 in London? A city where they couldnt sell out three arena shows in 2007?

I had the experience for Berlin i.e. (which might also be true for London): each band that makes just a one stop in Germany choses Berlin. This results in too many shows of great bands in Berlin that these shows do not sell out very often. Three shows in Berlin are most likely not to sell as locals might not go there out whereas 5 (arena?) shows spread accross Germany would most likely.

Doing let's say 5 sholw per continent in one city: here the shows might sell out by hard core fans traveling to London or Berlin or wherever...

Re: Tour itinerary prediction 2013.........
Posted by: Doc ()
Date: June 19, 2012 15:10

I didn't mention the kind of venues, all I said is multiple nights without travelling.
I'm not from Dublin but I like the city so maybe I overrated it.
2 shows in Rome may also be quite ambitious.

Amsterdam could be Rotterdam (Ahoy) etc...
My prediction needs some fine tuning but that's the biggest thing I can "reasonably" anticipate...

2007 was the follow up of 2006 and a well marketed final tour could bring them to a long residency in London : 10x RAH or 5x the O2...

Of course, the prices have to be "reasonable" i.e. not higher than 2005/6/7

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Re: Tour itinerary prediction 2013.........
Posted by: Father Ted ()
Date: June 19, 2012 15:13

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EddieByword
If they do anything at all, I can't see Mick only allowing a "handful of shows" to bow out with but neither can I see a massive tour as we've been used to............I predict this.......

50 shows through these cities more or less in this order................

Late January 2013.

New York - 2 shows
Philadelphia - 2
etc etc etc quote]

Would you be disappointed if the "tour" was only 1/10th of your list?

Re: Tour itinerary prediction 2013.........
Posted by: deeppurple ()
Date: June 19, 2012 17:49

When the question first came up about Touring Keith said doing multiple dates in certain cities. Letting the fans come to them. Atlanta was mentioned. They usually do two shows here. They filmed the video for "Streets of Love" here back in Oct '05.They always do well here. Of the 14 shows I have seen since '69, the '02 show is by far my favorite. Just watching the Stones have a blast. When they played on the B-Stage, just the looks on their faces make the show. Bras flying up on to the Stage. Mick draping one of the Mike stand.Just pure enjoyment.

Re: Tour itinerary prediction 2013.........
Posted by: Sam Spade ()
Date: June 19, 2012 18:07

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Gazza


5 to 10 in London? A city where they couldnt sell out three arena shows in 2007?

Where do people think the public demand and revenue is coming from to fill multiple nights at the prices the Stones charge?


Gazza, I've never been to a London show. Tell me this, are their pricing structures the same in UK as in USA? For example a $300.00usd ticket here would be 191gpb?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-06-19 18:27 by Sam Spade.

Re: Tour itinerary prediction 2013.........
Posted by: andrea66 ()
Date: June 19, 2012 18:13

ny msg 5-10 dates
L.A. 5-7 dates (arena)
tokyo 5-10 dates (arena )
sydney 3-5 dates (arena)
buenos aires 2 dates (stadium)
rio 1 date (stadium)
amsterdam 2 dates (stadium)
paris 3-5 dates (arena)
one german city 5-7 concerts
london 5-10 concerts (arena)
more or less this is the concept. less traveling and more concentrated gigs

Re: Tour itinerary prediction 2013.........
Posted by: EddieByword ()
Date: June 19, 2012 18:44

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Father Ted
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EddieByword
If they do anything at all, I can't see Mick only allowing a "handful of shows" to bow out with but neither can I see a massive tour as we've been used to............I predict this.......

50 shows through these cities more or less in this order................

Late January 2013.

New York - 2 shows
Philadelphia - 2
etc etc etc

Would you be disappointed if the "tour" was only 1/10th of your list?

No, not at all, (well.compared with 5 - 200, yes) but 1 show would obviously be better than none - which sometimes seems like it's going to be - but I figured that after the issues of Mick and Keith's friendship or not and working togethor the next thing is Keith's playing. If Mick thinks it's good enough to go out for even a handful of shows - sic - (as was sugggested in the Daily Mirror/Mail rags) then it stands to reason that it would be good enough for a good few more. The question then is stamina, I'm guessing of course but given their age maybe 9 months on the road would be acceptable but another 2 years (even with gaps)....well imo they'll be veritable supermen if they pull that off......so.......50 - if they can do anything at all, which is definitely a question, I'd say 50 is a reasoned estimate of what might be............but if it's only 5 it's only 5, we all had a superb run....................the fat lady sings and thanks for the fish as they say......................

I met a woman and she told me...."well baby...... well the blues ain't bad"...........



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Re: Tour itinerary prediction 2013.........
Posted by: 71Tele ()
Date: June 19, 2012 18:50

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GADAWG


Well we have lost them in Atlanta forever. All the civil rights spooks have one hand out and the other in your back pocket. They are very well known for that.

Just as the 96 Olympics. Could not half fill any venue. Place was a ghost town. Except for the Fried Chicken joints that is.

I am no fan of Atlanta myself, but your choice of words here is very unfortunate. I'll leave it at that.

Re: Tour itinerary prediction 2013.........
Posted by: Edith Grove ()
Date: June 19, 2012 18:53

They should do Boise,Idaho again.

Absolutely the most laid-back town I ever been to for a Stones show.


Re: Tour itinerary prediction 2013.........
Posted by: tipps ()
Date: June 19, 2012 19:51

No Winnipeg? They havet been there since Sept 97. They are very big'in this city.



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Re: Tour itinerary prediction 2013.........
Posted by: Gazza ()
Date: June 19, 2012 21:06

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Sam Spade
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Gazza


5 to 10 in London? A city where they couldnt sell out three arena shows in 2007?

Where do people think the public demand and revenue is coming from to fill multiple nights at the prices the Stones charge?


Gazza, I've never been to a London show. Tell me this, are their pricing structures the same in UK as in USA? For example a $300.00usd ticket here would be 191gpb?

£150 for the top priced ticket for the UK shows....most of the 02 tickets were in that category.

Thats not as much as you'd pay for the top price in the US ($450) but by UK and European standards its pretty much on a similar pro rata level, ie way above what most top range rock acts would charge.

The front few rows on the floor at the 02 didnt go on sale to the public (or to fan club members) but were siphoned off for expensive fan packages like fanasylum, so effectively the only way you could get a seat down front would be to pay about five or ten times what the 'official' category A ticket price was.

The 02 shows were close to selling out, but there were probably a few left and tickets generally weren't that hard to get.

By contrast, Prince - who isnt really the draw that the Stones are - played 21 shows at the same venue around the same time, and more or less sold them out. The vast majority of his tickets went for £31.21 although there were a few prime seats in and around the stage in the middle of the floor that were around the £200 range.

In short, no band is going to be able to sell multiple nights at an arena sized venue in any major city unless they make a sizeable percentage of their tickets affordable to the sort of 'casual' fan that they would need to attract to fill a venue for more than one night. Even U2 - the biggest concert draw in the world - realise that.

If the Stones were to play the 02 and sell maybe two thirds (12,000 or so) of the tickets for about £50, whilst charging, say, £100 for 5,000 tickets and about £200+ for the best one thousand seats, they could probably fill it about 6-10 nights and gross about £1.3 million per show.

However, ten nights anywhere would take them 3 weeks to play in 2007 and realistically a month now. I really dont think the inclination is there to spend months on the road together.



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Re: Tour itinerary prediction 2013.........
Posted by: sweetcharmedlife ()
Date: June 19, 2012 21:10

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GADAWG


Well we have lost them in Atlanta forever. All the civil rights spooks have one hand out and the other in your back pocket. They are very well known for that.

Just as the 96 Olympics. Could not half fill any venue. Place was a ghost town. Except for the Fried Chicken joints that is.
Little racist are you?

Re: Tour itinerary prediction 2013.........
Posted by: BluzDude ()
Date: June 19, 2012 21:15

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Gazza
Quote
Sam Spade
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Gazza


5 to 10 in London? A city where they couldnt sell out three arena shows in 2007?

Where do people think the public demand and revenue is coming from to fill multiple nights at the prices the Stones charge?


Gazza, I've never been to a London show. Tell me this, are their pricing structures the same in UK as in USA? For example a $300.00usd ticket here would be 191gpb?

£150 for the top priced ticket for the UK shows....most of the 02 tickets were in that category.

Thats not as much as you'd pay for the top price in the US ($450) but by UK and European standards its pretty much on a similar pro rata level, ie way above what most top range rock acts would charge.

The front few rows on the floor at the 02 didnt go on sale to the public (or to fan club members) but were siphoned off for expensive fan packages like fanasylum, so effectively the only way you could get a seat down front would be to pay about five or ten times what the 'official' category A ticket price was.

The 02 shows were close to selling out, but there were probably a few left and tickets generally weren't that hard to get.

By contrast, Prince - who isnt really the draw that the Stones are - played 21 shows at the same venue around the same time, and more or less sold them out. The vast majority of his tickets went for £31.21 although there were a few prime seats in and around the stage in the middle of the floor that were around the £200 range.

In short, no band is going to be able to sell multiple nights at an arena sized venue in any major city unless they make a sizeable percentage of their tickets affordable to the sort of 'casual' fan that they would need to attract to fill a venue for more than one night. Even U2 - the biggest concert draw in the world - realise that.


Very true! I am not a big Prince fan but I respect his music. When he came to L.A. last year and played all those shows, I saw him twice for $25 (ea.). Under normal circumstances, I most likely would not have gone at all. (But am I glad I did!)

Re: Tour itinerary prediction 2013.........
Posted by: Dan ()
Date: June 19, 2012 21:52

Jan - rehearsals

Feb 1-3 Hartford, CT
Feb 5-7 Boston, MA
Feb 10-12-14 NYC MSG
Feb 16 new Brooklyn arena
Feb 19-21 Philadelphia
Feb 23 WDC
March South America stadiums/festivals
April 13 Coachella
April 15-17 Mexico City stadium
April 20 Coachella
April 23 Las Vegas (or maybe Seattle/Vancouver/Denver etc until Vegas can be booked on a Saturday)
April 27 New Orleans Jazz

May - June Euro Festivals (Pinkpop, Glasto or alternate UK festival, Roskilde etc)
mid-June Bonnaroo
July - Aug Euro Festivals/Summer Sonic/Outside Lands/Lollapalooza
Sep/Oct ACL, Magnetic Hill select North American dates (more NYC, midwest, Hollywood Bowl etc)

Nov/Dec real UK/Ireland tour

Re: Tour itinerary prediction 2013.........
Posted by: Edith Grove ()
Date: June 19, 2012 22:01

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Dan
April 27 New Orleans Jazz

I would not go see the Stones at Jazz Fest, and I live within walking distance of the Fair Grounds.

The crowd for Springsteen there was too much, and I couldn't get close enough to even see a video monitor.
Many people in NOLA were complaining vehemently about the over-crowding at the main stage.


Re: Tour itinerary prediction 2013.........
Posted by: BluzDude ()
Date: June 19, 2012 22:03

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Edith Grove
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Dan
April 27 New Orleans Jazz

I would not go see the Stones at Jazz Fest, and I live within walking distance of the Fair Grounds.

The crowd for Springsteen there was too much, and I couldn't get close enough to even see a video monitor.
Many people in NOLA were complaining vehemently about the over-crowding at the main stage.

hmm, maybe I should think twice about my plans to go to NOJF in 2013.

Re: Tour itinerary prediction 2013.........
Posted by: Dan ()
Date: June 19, 2012 22:07

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Edith Grove
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Dan
April 27 New Orleans Jazz

I would not go see the Stones at Jazz Fest, and I live within walking distance of the Fair Grounds.

The crowd for Springsteen there was too much, and I couldn't get close enough to even see a video monitor.
Many people in NOLA were complaining vehemently about the over-crowding at the main stage.

Yeah I am just figuring out it's a bit smaller festival than some of the others listed. Also he got paid a six figure sum, well less than he would make even playing an arena in the region. The Stones wouldn't even stop and wave for that amount.

Re: Tour itinerary prediction 2013.........
Posted by: Edith Grove ()
Date: June 19, 2012 22:08

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BluzDude
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Edith Grove
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Dan
April 27 New Orleans Jazz

I would not go see the Stones at Jazz Fest, and I live within walking distance of the Fair Grounds.

The crowd for Springsteen there was too much, and I couldn't get close enough to even see a video monitor.
Many people in NOLA were complaining vehemently about the over-crowding at the main stage.

hmm, maybe I should think twice about my plans to go to NOJF in 2013.

That's not a reason not to go to Jazz Fest.
The rest of the festival grounds are great, and easily accessible.
That experience I had with Springsteen was the first time I couldn't see even from the back of the crowd.

Even if you don't go to the festival grounds, the nighttime performances in the clubs around town will keep you busy for two solid weeks.


Re: Tour itinerary prediction 2013.........
Posted by: StonesTod ()
Date: June 19, 2012 22:25

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Edith Grove
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BluzDude
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Edith Grove
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Dan
April 27 New Orleans Jazz

I would not go see the Stones at Jazz Fest, and I live within walking distance of the Fair Grounds.

The crowd for Springsteen there was too much, and I couldn't get close enough to even see a video monitor.
Many people in NOLA were complaining vehemently about the over-crowding at the main stage.

hmm, maybe I should think twice about my plans to go to NOJF in 2013.

That's not a reason not to go to Jazz Fest.
The rest of the festival grounds are great, and easily accessible.
That experience I had with Springsteen was the first time I couldn't see even from the back of the crowd.

Even if you don't go to the festival grounds, the nighttime performances in the clubs around town will keep you busy for two solid weeks.

haven't been to new orleans yet, but from what i hear, it's similar to austin in that they are both great cities for live music (austin being the best, naturally) butto be avoided when the big fests come around...acl, sxsw....and so forth....

Re: Tour itinerary prediction 2013.........
Posted by: BluzDude ()
Date: June 19, 2012 23:11

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Edith Grove
Even if you don't go to the festival grounds, the nighttime performances in the clubs around town will keep you busy for two solid weeks.

Now that might be the plan!

Re: Tour itinerary prediction 2013.........
Posted by: Edith Grove ()
Date: June 19, 2012 23:56

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BluzDude
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Edith Grove
Even if you don't go to the festival grounds, the nighttime performances in the clubs around town will keep you busy for two solid weeks.

Now that might be the plan!

There's also talk that they might move Jazz Fest to the new festival site that is being built in City Park.
I think only Voodoo Fest is confirmed for the new site, which is larger than the Fair Grounds, but they really need to get Jazz Fest to more spacious grounds.


Re: Tour itinerary prediction 2013.........
Posted by: andrea66 ()
Date: June 20, 2012 11:15

I laso like the idea of a "brics and pigs " tour:

rio
sao paulo
moscow
bombay
shangai
beijing
johannesburg

and after that
lisbon
milano
dublin
athens
madrid and barcelona

Re: Tour itinerary prediction 2013.........
Posted by: DGA35 ()
Date: June 21, 2012 04:00

I doubt they would want to play any of the mentioned PIGS countries due to the poor economies! Doubt many in Athens or Madrid could afford to pay huge ticket prices.
I'm sure that will be the biggest concern for Michael Cohl, who will most certainly be the tour promotor, what are the economies of all the countries going to be like next year?

Re: Tour itinerary prediction 2013.........
Posted by: msw2525 ()
Date: June 21, 2012 06:26

Can we throw in a Pittsburgh show for good measure while were doing this fantasy stones tour list?

Re: Tour itinerary prediction 2013.........
Posted by: StonesTod ()
Date: June 21, 2012 14:28

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msw2525
Can we throw in a Pittsburgh show for good measure while were doing this fantasy stones tour list?

the '72 show wasn't good enough for you?

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