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But this management by Darwin is a selective one. It excludes Mick and Keith although it almost includes No 2. Keith that is. I guess Keith has felt this all these years, that Mick can leave whenever he feels like it and go solo. I sort of see Keiths actions and choices while Brian was alive and later when Taylor became Mick's cowriter as part of this Darwian strategy in the Rolling Stones. Kick em out before they drag you down or push YOU out.
And in came Ronnie the puppy.
Yeah but the band woould not have happened hadnt Brian Jones of Cheltenham been a ruthless cool cruel boy on the run. Michael Philip Jagger would have said bye to Keith and moved into a student dorm. Keith would have returned to Doris's kitchen with the guitar. And he would have been the best goddamn rhythm rock n roll guitar player in London. So, he would have been picked by Eric. And when Eric left that band he would have continued. And later on he would have joined Eric again for a while after Page left. And Hendrix would have jammed with him. And Keith would have tried Jimi's smack. And then ladies and gentlemen Keith would have opened up that Pandora and recorded that late 60s obscure masterpiece called "Shelter street", a record that meant everything to everyone who was there. A masterpiece that young guitarplayers today still hold high. An important record with much bigger impact that Keith never knew during his short but striking lifetime.
Michael Philip Jagger of London, assistant of the MP remembers: Yes, Keith Richard was a friend of mine. We knew eachother quite well at the time and then we grew apart. I didnt hear form him except the odd phone call or letter. I kept those letters and read them again when I heard of his record "Gimme Exile" (sic). He was a funny fellow, one of a kind. I guess he got mixed up with drugs, if indeed he was, like many of us take to drinks.
When people come into money and fame quickly, they often lose touch with reality. Apart from his early sexual escapades, there is no record of Brian's behaviour being too different from the norm until the RS took off. The crazy spending (buying buses, etc), beating women, and reckless drug use all came later.
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- Doxa
Fame, money and lots and lots of drugs. Just because there is no record doesn't mean there wasn't problems.
Oh, I am sure Brian was not your average schoolboy. But until he got the 14 year old pregnant, he was under the radar. And there doesn't appear to have been anything that got him in trouble with the law, which you might expect, given his later history. I am thinking that if he hadn't become suddenly rich and famous, he might have been (more) normal.
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Re: Brian Jones death - Janet Lawson's story
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Marie
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Date: June 19, 2012 03:41
In Mandy Aftel's book Keith mentions that he knows a lot of people blame him and Anita. He is alluding to the above mentioned interview with Lewis Jones. In the same book Christopher Gibbs, without naming Brian's father, so much as said that Lewis Jones didn't know anything about the situation. Lewis Jones knew his son had some issues. In a letter to Linda Lawrence's parents he wrote about how he had fears for Brian's actions as he knew how "terribly depressed and introspective he can be". Keith (in an interview with Aftel from the 1970s) told Aftel that Brian would sit up for two days and two nights writing and rewriting letters to his parents. Keith said Brian couldn't communicate with them. It's possible Brian's father was wanting to put the blame on others without accepting any himself. That probably came later though.
Re: Brian Jones death - Janet Lawson's story
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Redhotcarpet
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Date: June 19, 2012 09:34
Whitewash, well I think it's more of a personal memory as a reaction to the way he dissappeared from the public eye in 1968 after the partly bad rap in 1967 following the trial which was a reaction to the lil innoncent Brian of 1964.
Re: Brian Jones death - Janet Lawson's story
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Redhotcarpet
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Date: June 19, 2012 09:49
The father's words about Brian and Anita sounds right and it's true he went from taking drugs 
to taking much larger amounts and trying to kill himself with drugs. The amounts he took to numb out totally and not having to deal with the new very real life he had to survive. A similar but younger, more desperate and less controlled version of what Keith did in silence after Tara died.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-06-19 20:43 by Redhotcarpet.
to taking much larger amounts and trying to kill himself with drugs. The amounts he took to numb out totally and not having to deal with the new very real life he had to survive. A similar but younger, more desperate and less controlled version of what Keith did in silence after Tara died.Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-06-19 20:43 by Redhotcarpet.
Re: Brian Jones death - Janet Lawson's story
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Redhotcarpet
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Date: June 19, 2012 20:43
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His Majesty
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Redhotcarpet
That's how he was and that lifestyle and personality is what created the Stones and the Stones way of life.
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Re: Brian Jones death - Janet Lawson's story
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Redhotcarpet
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Date: June 19, 2012 20:49
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24FPS
Brian got the same Darwinian logic applied to him that was applied to Stu, and attempted on Bill. Stu wasn't good looking enough, goodbye. Bill wasn't quite right, so, me, Brian, I'll just try and learn the bass and we'll be rid of 'Ernie'.
Flash forward to 1969, Brian can't perform up to snuff. Looks like hell. Can't get his shit together. Bye. Nevermind the personal animosities built up since 1962 between Brian and every member of the band, this was plain and simple. Brian Jones couldn't cut it anymore.
But this management by Darwin is a selective one. It excludes Mick and Keith although it almost includes No 2. Keith that is. I guess Keith has felt this all these years, that Mick can leave whenever he feels like it and go solo. I sort of see Keiths actions and choices while Brian was alive and later when Taylor became Mick's cowriter as part of this Darwian strategy in the Rolling Stones. Kick em out before they drag you down or push YOU out.And in came Ronnie the puppy.
Re: Brian Jones death - Janet Lawson's story
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Redhotcarpet
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Date: June 19, 2012 21:05
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mickschix
I'm not sure " ALL OF THOSE BUSTS" would have happened if Brian hadn't been so careless. ( well, Keith too for that matter. I'm not sure what you saw as productive in Brian during " One Plus One", the parts I recall clearly show a wastd Brian...so ok, not 100% of the time, but a lot of the time in the studio.
Yeah but the band woould not have happened hadnt Brian Jones of Cheltenham been a ruthless cool cruel boy on the run. Michael Philip Jagger would have said bye to Keith and moved into a student dorm. Keith would have returned to Doris's kitchen with the guitar. And he would have been the best goddamn rhythm rock n roll guitar player in London. So, he would have been picked by Eric. And when Eric left that band he would have continued. And later on he would have joined Eric again for a while after Page left. And Hendrix would have jammed with him. And Keith would have tried Jimi's smack. And then ladies and gentlemen Keith would have opened up that Pandora and recorded that late 60s obscure masterpiece called "Shelter street", a record that meant everything to everyone who was there. A masterpiece that young guitarplayers today still hold high. An important record with much bigger impact that Keith never knew during his short but striking lifetime.
Michael Philip Jagger of London, assistant of the MP remembers: Yes, Keith Richard was a friend of mine. We knew eachother quite well at the time and then we grew apart. I didnt hear form him except the odd phone call or letter. I kept those letters and read them again when I heard of his record "Gimme Exile" (sic). He was a funny fellow, one of a kind. I guess he got mixed up with drugs, if indeed he was, like many of us take to drinks.
Re: Brian Jones death - Janet Lawson's story
Posted by:
Bliss
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Date: June 20, 2012 11:52
Quote
Marie
In Mandy Aftel's book Keith mentions that he knows a lot of people blame him and Anita. He is alluding to the above mentioned interview with Lewis Jones. In the same book Christopher Gibbs, without naming Brian's father, so much as said that Lewis Jones didn't know anything about the situation. Lewis Jones knew his son had some issues. In a letter to Linda Lawrence's parents he wrote about how he had fears for Brian's actions as he knew how "terribly depressed and introspective he can be". Keith (in an interview with Aftel from the 1970s) told Aftel that Brian would sit up for two days and two nights writing and rewriting letters to his parents. Keith said Brian couldn't communicate with them. It's possible Brian's father was wanting to put the blame on others without accepting any himself. That probably came later though.
When people come into money and fame quickly, they often lose touch with reality. Apart from his early sexual escapades, there is no record of Brian's behaviour being too different from the norm until the RS took off. The crazy spending (buying buses, etc), beating women, and reckless drug use all came later.
Re: Brian Jones death - Janet Lawson's story
Posted by:
Doxa
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Date: June 20, 2012 12:23
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Redhotcarpet
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mickschix
I'm not sure " ALL OF THOSE BUSTS" would have happened if Brian hadn't been so careless. ( well, Keith too for that matter. I'm not sure what you saw as productive in Brian during " One Plus One", the parts I recall clearly show a wastd Brian...so ok, not 100% of the time, but a lot of the time in the studio.
Yeah but the band woould not have happened hadnt Brian Jones of Cheltenham been a ruthless cool cruel boy on the run. Michael Philip Jagger would have said bye to Keith and moved into a student dorm. Keith would have returned to Doris's kitchen with the guitar. And he would have been the best goddamn rhythm rock n roll guitar player in London. So, he would have been picked by Eric. And when Eric left that band he would have continued. And later on he would have joined Eric again for a while after Page left. And Hendrix would have jammed with him. And Keith would have tried Jimi's smack. And then ladies and gentlemen Keith would have opened up that Pandora and recorded that late 60s obscure masterpiece called "Shelter street", a record that meant everything to everyone who was there. A masterpiece that young guitarplayers today still hold high. An important record with much bigger impact that Keith never knew during his short but striking lifetime.
Michael Philip Jagger of London, assistant of the MP remembers: Yes, Keith Richard was a friend of mine. We knew eachother quite well at the time and then we grew apart. I didnt hear form him except the odd phone call or letter. I kept those letters and read them again when I heard of his record "Gimme Exile" (sic). He was a funny fellow, one of a kind. I guess he got mixed up with drugs, if indeed he was, like many of us take to drinks.
Excellent!
- Doxa
Re: Brian Jones death - Janet Lawson's story
Posted by:
Marie
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Date: June 20, 2012 18:02
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Bliss
Quote
Marie
In Mandy Aftel's book Keith mentions that he knows a lot of people blame him and Anita. He is alluding to the above mentioned interview with Lewis Jones. In the same book Christopher Gibbs, without naming Brian's father, so much as said that Lewis Jones didn't know anything about the situation. Lewis Jones knew his son had some issues. In a letter to Linda Lawrence's parents he wrote about how he had fears for Brian's actions as he knew how "terribly depressed and introspective he can be". Keith (in an interview with Aftel from the 1970s) told Aftel that Brian would sit up for two days and two nights writing and rewriting letters to his parents. Keith said Brian couldn't communicate with them. It's possible Brian's father was wanting to put the blame on others without accepting any himself. That probably came later though.
When people come into money and fame quickly, they often lose touch with reality. Apart from his early sexual escapades, there is no record of Brian's behaviour being too different from the norm until the RS took off. The crazy spending (buying buses, etc), beating women, and reckless drug use all came later.
Fame, money and lots and lots of drugs. Just because there is no record doesn't mean there wasn't problems.
Re: Brian Jones death - Janet Lawson's story
Posted by:
Bliss
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Date: June 20, 2012 20:24
Quote
Marie
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Bliss
Quote
Marie
In Mandy Aftel's book Keith mentions that he knows a lot of people blame him and Anita. He is alluding to the above mentioned interview with Lewis Jones. In the same book Christopher Gibbs, without naming Brian's father, so much as said that Lewis Jones didn't know anything about the situation. Lewis Jones knew his son had some issues. In a letter to Linda Lawrence's parents he wrote about how he had fears for Brian's actions as he knew how "terribly depressed and introspective he can be". Keith (in an interview with Aftel from the 1970s) told Aftel that Brian would sit up for two days and two nights writing and rewriting letters to his parents. Keith said Brian couldn't communicate with them. It's possible Brian's father was wanting to put the blame on others without accepting any himself. That probably came later though.
When people come into money and fame quickly, they often lose touch with reality. Apart from his early sexual escapades, there is no record of Brian's behaviour being too different from the norm until the RS took off. The crazy spending (buying buses, etc), beating women, and reckless drug use all came later.
Fame, money and lots and lots of drugs. Just because there is no record doesn't mean there wasn't problems.
Oh, I am sure Brian was not your average schoolboy. But until he got the 14 year old pregnant, he was under the radar. And there doesn't appear to have been anything that got him in trouble with the law, which you might expect, given his later history. I am thinking that if he hadn't become suddenly rich and famous, he might have been (more) normal.
Re: Brian Jones death - Janet Lawson's story
Posted by:
sizey
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Date: June 21, 2012 13:43
Brian's sloppy behaviour was easy meat for the likes of Norman Pilcher to exploit. It's important to stress that the public embarrassment of the News of the World over Redlands led them to tip off police at every opportunity. Even in the the 1960s the paper was up to its dirty tricks - it's amazing it has taken so long to bring them to book.
Simon
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