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Re: OT: Lou Reed Summer European tour 2012
Posted by: rocker1 ()
Date: June 8, 2012 09:21

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rocker1
Dirty Blvd. is one of those interesting songs that sounds great when the guitars are isolated without vocals, and also when the vocals are isolated without the guitars! And yes, it also sounds great when they're all in there together, too.

And Mick pinched Heroin to write Stray Cat, or so he said later!

Lou did have right it in this respect, though: "Nothing beats two guitars, bass, and drums."

And Edge captured the spirit of this song, though Bono gets the credit more often than not...the simple chording by Edge at 2:54 on is something LR would appreciate, the minimalist that he is. (And...OT...Pete Townshend would appreciate it, too...but that's for another day...)

Thank you, Lou Reed...




Re: OT: Lou Reed Summer European tour 2012
Posted by: GumbootCloggeroo ()
Date: June 8, 2012 16:46

Lou Reed
Wagner and Hunter - I remember this clearly - all these guys that came after Wagner and Hunter in '73, all these guys in that band Aerosmith, and a band called Boston, they'd have those dueling guitar things, you know... leads, harmonizing - they got that all from Wagner and Hunter. These guys use to come and follow us all over the place - New York, Boston, wherever we were playing with Lou Reed. Next thing I know, I listen to their albums, and it sounds like Wagner and Hunter. And good for them, but people should acknowledge that Wagner and Hunter were the originators. They're the guys who made that sound. If you hear that live album, Rock N Roll Animal, play the intro to "Sweet Jane." I'm telling you, that will give you and idea of what the two Detroit guys - well, Hunter came from Decatur, Illinois - and Whitey and I from Toronto, with our R&B roots, hammering away on a Lou Reed song. It's unedited. The beauty of that is none of the mistakes are fixed. Nothing is fixed on that album. It's a true live album. It was the third day I was in that band. I rehearsed one day, played in Toronto - of all places - the opening night, the next night was in New York and they recorded this album. When we were with Alice Cooper, people all over the world would always play that album, more than Welcome to My Nightmare, so that usually used to irritate Alice. That album got such rave reviews that even Lou Reed hates it, because a lot of people started panning him because of his singing, and I thought that was kind of unfair. Lou Reed has his own style - great lyricist - and people shouldn't judge him on his ability to sing. Nobody said he had to be Al Green or Frank Sinatra. He's Lou Reed. He can sing in that monotone voice, and if he didn't, it would sound silly. Anyway, Lou doesn't acknowledge that album, but that is a famous album, and everywhere in Europe, they'd play it.

Rock N Roll Animal
People still e-mail me about that album. The president of the Jack Bruce fan club finally got a hold of me a couple years ago. He'd been looking for me because was such a fan of Jack Bruce, but he was also a fan of Chris Squire and, oddly enough, me. He was telling me how influential that album was to a lot of people in Australia. Get it, play it full blast, and think of yourself at the Academy of Music in New York. Steve Katz, the guitar player for Blood, Sweat, and Tears, produced that album... the most unusual guy to produce that album, but nevertheless, the best guy, because he left it alone. That's probably my favorite album of all the albums I've done. I've done stuff that's maybe technically better, but every time that album is played, it sounds just like the way we recorded it. There's Lou reed coming in a bar early, two bars late... but that's how he is. You would be surprised at how many people talk about "Sweet Jane" alone. People just go mental when they find out that I played on it or they've been looking for me.

Outtakes of that album actually ended up on an album called Lou Reed Live. That's a prime example of RCA Records ripping off the bloody musicians. They have two albums, they pay us for one, but they can get away with it, because it was outtakes of the previous album. You couldn't give each musician a couple grand in the early '70s? That's the stuff that really irks me about the business. Once in a while I may think of it in a conversation like this, but really, the overriding factor is the music.

-Prakash John (bass player on Rock And Roll Animal)

Re: OT: Lou Reed Summer European tour 2012
Posted by: rebelrebel ()
Date: June 8, 2012 18:41

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kowalski
A couple of years ago most of Lou Reed's solo albums was reissued in vinyl replica CD boxes. Cheap and good way to start with Lou Reed discography.


[www.amazon.com]


This is the best way to start if you're new to Lou Reed. I love Coney Island Baby.

Re: OT: Lou Reed Summer European tour 2012
Posted by: Wry Cooter ()
Date: June 8, 2012 18:55

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GumbootCloggeroo
Lou Reed
Wagner and Hunter - I remember this clearly - all these guys that came after Wagner and Hunter in '73, all these guys in that band Aerosmith, and a band called Boston, they'd have those dueling guitar things, you know... leads, harmonizing - they got that all from Wagner and Hunter. These guys use to come and follow us all over the place - New York, Boston, wherever we were playing with Lou Reed. Next thing I know, I listen to their albums, and it sounds like Wagner and Hunter. And good for them, but people should acknowledge that Wagner and Hunter were the originators. They're the guys who made that sound. If you hear that live album, Rock N Roll Animal, play the intro to "Sweet Jane." I'm telling you, that will give you and idea of what the two Detroit guys - well, Hunter came from Decatur, Illinois - and Whitey and I from Toronto, with our R&B roots, hammering away on a Lou Reed song. It's unedited. The beauty of that is none of the mistakes are fixed. Nothing is fixed on that album. It's a true live album. It was the third day I was in that band. I rehearsed one day, played in Toronto - of all places - the opening night, the next night was in New York and they recorded this album. When we were with Alice Cooper, people all over the world would always play that album, more than Welcome to My Nightmare, so that usually used to irritate Alice. That album got such rave reviews that even Lou Reed hates it, because a lot of people started panning him because of his singing, and I thought that was kind of unfair. Lou Reed has his own style - great lyricist - and people shouldn't judge him on his ability to sing. Nobody said he had to be Al Green or Frank Sinatra. He's Lou Reed. He can sing in that monotone voice, and if he didn't, it would sound silly. Anyway, Lou doesn't acknowledge that album, but that is a famous album, and everywhere in Europe, they'd play it.

Rock N Roll Animal
People still e-mail me about that album. The president of the Jack Bruce fan club finally got a hold of me a couple years ago. He'd been looking for me because was such a fan of Jack Bruce, but he was also a fan of Chris Squire and, oddly enough, me. He was telling me how influential that album was to a lot of people in Australia. Get it, play it full blast, and think of yourself at the Academy of Music in New York. Steve Katz, the guitar player for Blood, Sweat, and Tears, produced that album... the most unusual guy to produce that album, but nevertheless, the best guy, because he left it alone. That's probably my favorite album of all the albums I've done. I've done stuff that's maybe technically better, but every time that album is played, it sounds just like the way we recorded it. There's Lou reed coming in a bar early, two bars late... but that's how he is. You would be surprised at how many people talk about "Sweet Jane" alone. People just go mental when they find out that I played on it or they've been looking for me.

Outtakes of that album actually ended up on an album called Lou Reed Live. That's a prime example of RCA Records ripping off the bloody musicians. They have two albums, they pay us for one, but they can get away with it, because it was outtakes of the previous album. You couldn't give each musician a couple grand in the early '70s? That's the stuff that really irks me about the business. Once in a while I may think of it in a conversation like this, but really, the overriding factor is the music.

-Prakash John (bass player on Rock And Roll Animal)

Love "Rock and Roll Animal/Lou Reed Live" and the band and the great guitar tandem and will give them all the credit in the world -- but there were two guys named Allman and Betts doing the two guitar thing earlier. I'd mention the Yardbirds but not really the same.

And thank you Prakash John for mentioning Lou coming in a bar early on "Sweet Jane" -- it cracks me up every time I hear it! Hunter(?) builds a classic rock solo and is just about to hit the climax and..."Standin' onna cornah...." Classic Lou....

Re: OT: Lou Reed Summer European tour 2012
Posted by: Duane in Houston ()
Date: June 8, 2012 23:34

Enough of the set-list and record debate. I want to know who's in this band now and how they sound. I also want to know how Lou sounds and performs on this tour. To me he his performances have degenerated to quite a pathetic affair over the last 20 - 30 years sort of like Dylan. I was excited when he did his "Berlin" tour last year with Steve Hunter on guitar but even that was a shadow of the Rock n Roll Animal tour of '73 judging from the boots. I'll be looking for posts on youtube. I predict he'll mix up the set-list a little but not very much. He's pretty hard headed. I'm amazed he's touring at all. Oh well, bills must be paid I guess.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-06-08 23:35 by Duane in Houston.

Re: OT: Lou Reed Summer European tour 2012
Posted by: JohnnyBGoode ()
Date: June 9, 2012 05:10

Listening to Rock 'N' Roll Animal with a few pints and Sweet Jane has taken me above the clouds!

Re: OT: Lou Reed Summer European tour 2012
Date: June 9, 2012 10:46

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Duane in Houston
Enough of the set-list and record debate. I want to know who's in this band now and how they sound. I also want to know how Lou sounds and performs on this tour. To me he his performances have degenerated to quite a pathetic affair over the last 20 - 30 years sort of like Dylan. I was excited when he did his "Berlin" tour last year with Steve Hunter on guitar but even that was a shadow of the Rock n Roll Animal tour of '73 judging from the boots. I'll be looking for posts on youtube. I predict he'll mix up the set-list a little but not very much. He's pretty hard headed. I'm amazed he's touring at all. Oh well, bills must be paid I guess.

Any musician playing today, the same way he did in 73 can't be worth mentioning. IMO it is good that there are worlds of difference in the presentations.

Re: OT: Lou Reed Summer European tour 2012
Date: June 9, 2012 10:50

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Wry Cooter
Absolutely start with any of the four original Velvet Underground records plus "VU" and "Live '69". Lou's solo career's highs are just as good but there are some head scratchers. For me any solo LP through New York is good to great (save "Metal Machine Music" and probably "Sally Can't Dance" and "Rock and Roll Heart" which have some good cuts). Everyone seems to love "Rock an Roll Animal" but I really dig the versions of his "Berlin" songs from those shows. And I think it is very cool he is doing "Street Hassle", "Think it Over" and "Sad Song" -- three of my very favorite Lou tracks!

Cooter - those 3 cuts are some of Lou's best stuff. "Sad Song"... those verses. God, they are something beautiful.

What do you guys think of Bruce Springsteen's cameo on "Street Hassle"?

Re: OT: Lou Reed Summer European tour 2012
Posted by: tatters ()
Date: June 9, 2012 15:44

Lou always did have a certain operatic grandeur.



Re: OT: Lou Reed Summer European tour 2012
Posted by: Wry Cooter ()
Date: June 9, 2012 19:04

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Wry Cooter
Absolutely start with any of the four original Velvet Underground records plus "VU" and "Live '69". Lou's solo career's highs are just as good but there are some head scratchers. For me any solo LP through New York is good to great (save "Metal Machine Music" and probably "Sally Can't Dance" and "Rock and Roll Heart" which have some good cuts). Everyone seems to love "Rock an Roll Animal" but I really dig the versions of his "Berlin" songs from those shows. And I think it is very cool he is doing "Street Hassle", "Think it Over" and "Sad Song" -- three of my very favorite Lou tracks!

Cooter - those 3 cuts are some of Lou's best stuff. "Sad Song"... those verses. God, they are something beautiful.

What do you guys think of Bruce Springsteen's cameo on "Street Hassle"?

Bruce is great on that -- I remember at the time Lou praising Bruce's take as "from the street" -- to me it's just open and vulnerable. I think that is what Lou was trying to say -- that Bruce captured something that Lou's cynicism would have betrayed if he had done it himself. Also neat to hear Bruce essentially read Lou's poetry -- that's what it is really.

"Street Hassle" as a track and LP seems to get mixed reviews; to me it's a good album and the title cut is brilliant and stands with his best VU work.

Re: OT: Lou Reed Summer European tour 2012
Posted by: RollingFreak ()
Date: June 10, 2012 11:22

Today's setlist:

1) Brandenburg Gate (from Lulu - 2011)
2) Heroin (Velvet Underground song - 1967)
3) I'm Waiting For The Man (Velvet Underground song - 1967)
4) Senselessly Cruel (from Rock And Roll Heart - 1976)
5) The View (from Lulu - 2011)
6) Mistress Dread (from Lulu - 2011)
7) Cremation (from Magic And Loss -1992)
8) Walk On The Wild Side (from Transformer - 1972)
9) Junior Dad (from Lulu - 2011)

Hoping this was maybe a festival or something. Certainly wasn't hoping the setlist to get shorter, and especially to keep those stupid Lulu songs in. Even if its a good album, if this ends up being Lou's last tour and career spanning, its just not right IMO. Hoping this gets changed. Interesting progress nonetheless.

Re: OT: Lou Reed Summer European tour 2012
Date: June 10, 2012 13:38

It's wild that he is doing "Senselessly Cruel".

Re: OT: Lou Reed Summer European tour 2012
Posted by: champ72 ()
Date: June 10, 2012 15:00

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JohnnyBGoode
I want to get into Lou's music. Should I just start with the first album and go from there?

Great question! The Velvet Underground was the band that got me into music. Before that I didn't really care for music at all. I think I was 16 and at a school camp here in Australia. A friend of mine had a tape player and kept playing this one song over and over. At first I hated it, and then weeks later I HAD to hear it again.
It was "I Can't Stand It" from the lost Velvets album called VU. Here it is:





So that was the 1st album really that I ever got. So I collected all the VU albums and then got into Lou Reed..so I would recommend the same order in which I collected them, which was essentially this. Almost chronological but not quite:

Velvet Underground - VU
Velvet Underground - Velvet Underground (3rd album)
Velvet Underground 1969 Live - the version of What Goes On on this is simply unbelievable. I wore the grooves off the record for that one song. I played it so much my whole family knows every note.
Velvet Underground & Nico
Velvet Underground - White Light White Heat
Velvet Underground - Loaded
Velvet Underground - Another View
LR - Transformer
LR - 1st Album
LR - Berlin
LR - Sally Can't Dance
LR - New York
LR - Rock 'n Roll Animal
LR - Metal Machine Music
LR & John Cale - Magic & Loss
LR - Coney Island Baby
LR - Magic & Loss
LR - Lou Reed Live
Lou Reed - Live in Italy

It gets a bit blurry after that. I don't have all Lou's albums. Still missing some late 70's and early - mid 80s albums. Halfway through collecting Lou's albums someone got me Sticky Fingers, and another obsession was born!!
Good Luck. Definitely start with that VU album like I did. It's incredible!

Cheers

Andy

Re: OT: Lou Reed Summer European tour 2012
Date: June 10, 2012 15:18

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JohnnyBGoode
I want to get into Lou's music. Should I just start with the first album and go from there?

Great question! The Velvet Underground was the band that got me into music. Before that I didn't really care for music at all. I think I was 16 and at a school camp here in Australia. A friend of mine had a tape player and kept playing this one song over and over. At first I hated it, and then weeks later I HAD to hear it again.
It was "I Can't Stand It" from the lost Velvets album called VU. Here it is:





So that was the 1st album really that I ever got. So I collected all the VU albums and then got into Lou Reed..so I would recommend the same order in which I collected them, which was essentially this. Almost chronological but not quite:

Velvet Underground - VU
Velvet Underground - Velvet Underground (3rd album)
Velvet Underground 1969 Live - the version of What Goes On on this is simply unbelievable. I wore the grooves off the record for that one song. I played it so much my whole family knows every note.
Velvet Underground & Nico
Velvet Underground - White Light White Heat
Velvet Underground - Loaded
Velvet Underground - Another View
LR - Transformer
LR - 1st Album
LR - Berlin
LR - Sally Can't Dance
LR - New York
LR - Rock 'n Roll Animal
LR - Metal Machine Music
LR & John Cale - Magic & Loss
LR - Coney Island Baby
LR - Magic & Loss
LR - Lou Reed Live
Lou Reed - Live in Italy

It gets a bit blurry after that. I don't have all Lou's albums. Still missing some late 70's and early - mid 80s albums. Halfway through collecting Lou's albums someone got me Sticky Fingers, and another obsession was born!!
Good Luck. Definitely start with that VU album like I did. It's incredible!

Cheers

Andy

"The Blue Mask"
"Street Hassle"
"The Bells"
"Live"
"Set The Twilight Reeling"
"Legendary Hearts"
and even "New Sensations".
are musts in a Lou Reed discography. Certainly the first three I mention.

Re: OT: Lou Reed Summer European tour 2012
Posted by: RollingFreak ()
Date: June 12, 2012 17:43

Last night's setlist in France. Lou always seems to like Paris.


1) Brandenburg Gate (from Lulu - 2011)
2) I'm Waiting For The Man (Velvet Underground song - 1967)
3) Street Hassle (from Street Hassle - 1978)
4) Heroin (Velvet Underground song - 1967)
5) Senselessly Cruel (from Rock And Roll Heart - 1976)
6) The View (from Lulu - 2011)
7) Walk On The Wild Side (from Transformer - 1972)
8) Sad Song (from Berlin - 1973)
9) Junior Dad (from Lulu - 2011)

Encore:
10) Pale Blue Eyes (Velvet Underground song - 1969)
11) Sweet Jane (Velvet Underground song - 1970)

Nice to see the set switching up at least alittle bit. Moving around I'm Waiting For My Man earlier, adding back in Street Hassle after a night absence, moving Heroin further into the set. And cool to see a pretty much brand new encore with two tour premieres. Personally, I would say there are a few too many Velvet Underground songs in the set. If the set was longer than 10-13 songs, I would say keep them in, but IMO they take up valuable space where Lou could place great solo stuff from the albums not even represented yet. Lets break out some Ecstacy, New York or Set The Twilight Reeling. Although its nice to see Sweet Jane in there. Even though people may think its overplayed, I would be disappointed going to see Lou and NOT getting that (specifically because it would be my first time). Other than that, still looks like he's trying to find his footing with the set, and great to see at least one Lulu song cut down (even though the tour is turning into a specifically VU and Lulu setlist dominating 7 out of the 11 spots). Hard to fault most of this setlist again, despite the length which I wish was alittle longer. Guess we'll have to see what stays and goes with the next date. Also, I can confirm that the second night with the 9 song short setlist was a festival so that probably won't be the norm again.

Re: OT: Lou Reed Summer European tour 2012
Posted by: RollingFreak ()
Date: June 12, 2012 21:07

Looks like there's another possible setlist for Paris. Don't know which one is right. This one is from a Lou Reed fan forum:

"Paris setlist as reported by a friend who was there, not 100% sure about the running order though:


1. Brandenburg Gate

2. Heroin

3. I’m Waiting For The Man

4. Senselessly Cruel

5. The View

6. Mistress Dread

7. Street Hassle (w/ Joan As Police Woman)

8. Cremation

9. Walk On The Wild Side (w/ Joan As Police Woman)

10. Junior Dad

11. Sad Song (w/ Joan As Police Woman)
________________________

12. Beginning To See The Light

13. Pale Blue Eyes

14. Sweet Jane

Re: OT: Lou Reed Summer European tour 2012
Posted by: Title5Take1 ()
Date: June 12, 2012 22:18

I like Lou Reed's duet on this new Metric song The Wanderlust:


Re: OT: Lou Reed Summer European tour 2012
Posted by: marclaff ()
Date: June 12, 2012 22:23

The second setlist is the good one (was there at the Olympia)
14 songs and 2 hours.
Best Highlight : Beginning to see the light (played for the first time by Lou as a solo artist)
Heroin (with electric violin), Street hassle (with female vocals), walk on the wild side (with saxo) were very good too. Dont forget Sad song.
From Lulu, Mistress dread was painful (at least for my ears).
All in all an excellent show though Reed's voice was weak sometimes (Pale blue eyes)t play guitar anymore
PS : Lou can'

Re: OT: Lou Reed Summer European tour 2012
Posted by: RollingFreak ()
Date: June 12, 2012 22:46

Thanks for the clarification Marclaff. Sounds like a good show and this looks like the best set yet, and longest obviously. Very cool about Beginning To See The Light. I'm thinking the only real downers at this show are the Lulu songs. Again, I understand if he wants to play them, but really 2 is enough, especially with Junior Dad at 20 minutes length. And Pale Blue Eyes is a favorite of mine so thats nice to see on there. A question: did Lou speak much at the show? In between songs? Before Beginning To See The Light to say that he's never played it? Or is it just straight through most of the songs. Was Sweet Jane sung monotone or was he messing around with stuff and seeming loose? Also good to see a confirmation that the shows are 2 hours in length, which is impressive for his age.

Re: OT: Lou Reed Summer European tour 2012
Posted by: JimmyTheSaint ()
Date: June 12, 2012 22:53

New York is one of my favorite records by anybody.

Long live Lou!

Re: OT: Lou Reed Summer European tour 2012
Posted by: RollingFreak ()
Date: June 13, 2012 18:44

Lille 12/06/2012 Setlist:

1) Brandenburg Gate (from Lulu - 2011)
2) Heroin (Velvet Underground song - 1967)
3) I'm Waiting For The Man (Velvet Underground song - 1967)
4) Senselessly Cruel (from Rock And Roll Heart - 1976)
5) The View (from Lulu - 2011)
6) Mistress Dread (from Lulu - 2011)
7) Street Hassle (w/ Joan The Police Woman) as Lou Calls her (from Street Hassle - 1978)
8) Cremation (from Magic And Loss -1992)
9) Walk On The Wild Side (w/ Joan As Police Woman) (from Transformer - 1972)
10) Sad Song (w/ Joan As Police Woman) (from Berlin - 1973)
11) Junior Dad (from Lulu - 2011)

Encore:
12) Beginning To See The Light (Velvet Underground song - 1969)
13) Pale Blue Eyes (Velvet Underground song - 1969)
14) Sweet Jane (Velvet Underground song - 1970)
15) Think It Over (from Growing Up In Public - 1980)

Setlist getting a tad longer!

Re: OT: Lou Reed Summer European tour 2012
Posted by: RollingFreak ()
Date: June 15, 2012 08:32

Amsterdam - Heineken Music Hall
Thursday 14th June

1) Brandenburg Gate (from Lulu - 2011)
2) Heroin (Velvet Underground song - 1967)
3) I'm Waiting For The Man (Velvet Underground song - 1967)
4) Senselessly Cruel (from Rock And Roll Heart - 1976)
5) The View (from Lulu - 2011)
6) Mistress Dread (from Lulu - 2011)
7) Street Hassle (from Street Hassle - 1978)
8 ) Cremation (from Magic And Loss -1992)
9) Walk On The Wild Side (from Transformer - 1972)
10) Think It Over (from Growing Up In Public - 1980)
11) Sad Song (from Berlin - 1973)
12) Junior Dad (from Lulu - 2011)

Encore:

13) Sweet Jane (Velvet Underground song - 1970)

Alittle shorter than the show the other night, and nothing new added. The set included everything played so far on this tour, minus Velvet Underground songs White Light/White Heat which was only played on the opening night, and Beginning To See The Light and Pale Blue Eyes which were played in the encore before Sweet Jane the previous two nights but absent tonight.

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