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Re: Bobby Womack Thinks Mick Jagger Is An A**hole
Posted by: Gazza ()
Date: May 28, 2012 14:09

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Bobby W @#$%& up Dirty Work - imagine how much better it would have been without his participation..... these guys thinks to much about themselves, should rather praise Jagger for the big work he did keeping RS as a band through the 70'ies and early 80'ies. Without Jagger, Stones would have been gone long time ago.

How??
He "contributed" on Back to Zero - worst song on the CD and worst song in Stones history - should be enough.

So its Womack's fault that a song appearing on another artist's record is shite? And the entire album was ruined as a result?

The fact that he didnt compose it, sing on it, produce it, mix it or decide that it should be included on the record is inconsequential, of course!

By that yardstick, Ry Cooder is mainly responsible for why Beggars Banquet, Sticky Fingers and Let It Bleed are classics!



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Re: Bobby Womack Thinks Mick Jagger Is An A**hole
Posted by: Gazza ()
Date: May 28, 2012 14:15

Just read the original article. Good read (thanks, Mary)

Someone on IORR taking a quote completely out of context and twisting it into being an anti-Stones rant. Wow. Who would have thought THAT could ever happen?

Re: Bobby Womack Thinks Mick Jagger Is An A**hole
Posted by: mtaylor ()
Date: May 28, 2012 14:47

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The title of the originale article - the one you took this quote from -

Bobby Womack: 'I can sing my ass off, better than I could before'
[www.guardian.co.uk]

and he never said in one sentence that he thinks Mick is a**hole, all I can see
"he had a problem with Mick Jagger' - Alexis Petridis's words
"Some people never grow up if you give 'em too much," he grimaces. "They gonna be @#$%&, then they just become a bigger @#$%&." - Womack's words

so the title of your thread is misleading

It was mostly Keith's idea to get Womack on DW sessions and it was to be his duty to take care of money and everything else for the artist, for whom he carried responsibility.
"Keith Richards had been looking for songs to possibly include on the album and had been working up songs with Ronnie Wood and Womack while waiting for Jagger to return to the studio in Paris after doing promo work on his solo album. To Richards's surprise, Jagger liked the feel and cut the vocals quickly."
The Stones have a history of using people, that's for sure but the Stones not only Jagger - he and Richards get the same money in the end.
Richards just chose the role of the good cop always throwing the blame on Jagger.
I wonder why people which Mick brought to the Stones' had never discredit Richards in the press?
I think it reflects the atmosphere in the the circles of each other. I can not imagine how Tom Stoppard or Michael Apted (Jagger's friends who were doing something for the Stones) will tell anything about Keith exept good
He probably preferred Ronnie and Keith because all of them liked to be involved with drugs. Mick didn't want to share the druglife - then Mr. Womack got pissed. Thank goddness Mick didn't fall that deep.

Re: Bobby Womack Thinks Mick Jagger Is An A**hole
Posted by: dcba ()
Date: May 28, 2012 15:03

I trust Gazza's account but imho drugs came in the way of things. In 1986 the Stones were not really clean and Womack was a HUGE cokehead.
So did he snort copious amount of the band's blow while expecting to be paid anyway for his musical input to the session?

We'll probably never know...



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Re: Bobby Womack Thinks Mick Jagger Is An A**hole
Posted by: Come On ()
Date: May 28, 2012 15:22

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He worked on Dirty Work? Who's the a#@hole?

That was my first thought also...grinning smiley


I was driving home early Sunday morning through Bakersfield...

Re: Bobby Womack Thinks Mick Jagger Is An A**hole
Posted by: uhbuhgullayew ()
Date: May 28, 2012 16:35

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Womack did a great interview with Q Magazine in the mid 80s (It was one of their first ever issues) and recounted a story where Jagger called him in to the studio to work on a couple of songs together, bemoaning the fact that the rest of the band were useless. Womack worked for a night or two with them and the band were all over him like a rash, telling him how wonderful he was and how he'd basically saved the session from being a disaster.

The session closed for the night, Womack asked could someone call him a cab and was amazed to be told that the Stones wouldnt even cover his fare.

He walked out into the street and a few steps later, was accosted by two knife-wielding potential muggers. He was still so livid from the disrespect he'd been shown that he offered to take both of them on, telling them he was 'ready to die right now'. The two guys scarpered.

Wow, where was this studio?

Re: Bobby Womack Thinks Mick Jagger Is An A**hole
Posted by: Bliss ()
Date: May 28, 2012 16:57

No disrespect of BW's talent, but he sounds like he has always had a giant chip on his shoulder.

Re: Bobby Womack Thinks Mick Jagger Is An A**hole
Posted by: Gazza ()
Date: May 28, 2012 17:46

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Womack did a great interview with Q Magazine in the mid 80s (It was one of their first ever issues) and recounted a story where Jagger called him in to the studio to work on a couple of songs together, bemoaning the fact that the rest of the band were useless. Womack worked for a night or two with them and the band were all over him like a rash, telling him how wonderful he was and how he'd basically saved the session from being a disaster.

The session closed for the night, Womack asked could someone call him a cab and was amazed to be told that the Stones wouldnt even cover his fare.

He walked out into the street and a few steps later, was accosted by two knife-wielding potential muggers. He was still so livid from the disrespect he'd been shown that he offered to take both of them on, telling them he was 'ready to die right now'. The two guys scarpered.

Wow, where was this studio?

New York. So, RPM Studios, in that case.

Re: Bobby Womack about Mick Jagger
Posted by: mitchflorida1 ()
Date: May 28, 2012 18:02

So did Bobby Womack call Mick Jagger an "a-hole" or not? If not, this whole thread needs to be removed.



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Re: Bobby Womack about Mick Jagger
Posted by: Rocky Dijon ()
Date: May 28, 2012 18:05

The title might be slightly off, but it's the gist of his remark. The thread and more importantly the article link are hardly worthy of removal, though. Just don't read it if you're not interested.

Re: Bobby Womack about Mick Jagger
Posted by: mitchflorida1 ()
Date: May 28, 2012 18:25

Does anyone have a good guestimate on how much Womack has received in royalties from the Stones cover version of Its All Over Now?

I am thinking over $500,000 , but that is just a guess.



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Re: Bobby Womack about Mick Jagger
Posted by: Gazza ()
Date: May 28, 2012 20:26

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Does anyone have a good guestimate on how much Womack has received in royalties from the Stones cover version of Its All Over Now?

I am thinking over $500,000 , but that is just a guess.

Probably a pretty shite guess, in fairness.

Re: Bobby Womack about Mick Jagger
Posted by: mitchflorida1 ()
Date: May 28, 2012 21:24

u are such an a=hole gazza! lol

didn't u once suk jagger's cock?



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Re: Bobby Womack about Mick Jagger
Posted by: GumbootCloggeroo ()
Date: May 28, 2012 21:28

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u are such an a=hole gazza! lol

didn't u once suk jagger's cock?
It's "suck" not "suk".

lern to spel!

Re: Bobby Womack about Mick Jagger
Posted by: Rolling Hansie ()
Date: May 28, 2012 22:04

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lern to spel!

Lsmiling smileyL

Keep On Rolling smoking smiley

Re: Bobby Womack Thinks Mick Jagger Is An A**hole
Date: May 28, 2012 22:27

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Bobby W @#$%& up Dirty Work - imagine how much better it would have been without his participation..... these guys thinks to much about themselves, should rather praise Jagger for the big work he did keeping RS as a band through the 70'ies and early 80'ies. Without Jagger, Stones would have been gone long time ago.

How??
He "contributed" on Back to Zero - worst song on the CD and worst song in Stones history - should be enough.

His playing there is stellar. Imagine how it would have sounded without that fantastic funky, rhythm guitar. Next... eye popping smiley

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Re: Bobby Womack about Mick Jagger
Posted by: Gazza ()
Date: May 28, 2012 22:52

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u are such an a=hole gazza! lol

didn't u once suk jagger's cock?

No. Twice.

Re: Bobby Womack Thinks Mick Jagger Is An A**hole
Date: May 28, 2012 23:38

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The title of the originale article - the one you took this quote from -

Bobby Womack: 'I can sing my ass off, better than I could before'
[www.guardian.co.uk]

and he never said in one sentence that he thinks Mick is a**hole, all I can see
"he had a problem with Mick Jagger' - Alexis Petridis's words
"Some people never grow up if you give 'em too much," he grimaces. "They gonna be @#$%&, then they just become a bigger @#$%&." - Womack's words

so the title of your thread is misleading

It was mostly Keith's idea to get Womack on DW sessions and it was to be his duty to take care of money and everything else for the artist, for whom he carried responsibility.
"Keith Richards had been looking for songs to possibly include on the album and had been working up songs with Ronnie Wood and Womack while waiting for Jagger to return to the studio in Paris after doing promo work on his solo album. To Richards's surprise, Jagger liked the feel and cut the vocals quickly."
The Stones have a history of using people, that's for sure but the Stones not only Jagger - he and Richards get the same money in the end.
Richards just chose the role of the good cop always throwing the blame on Jagger.
I wonder why people which Mick brought to the Stones' had never discredit Richards in the press?
I think it reflects the atmosphere in the the circles of each other. I can not imagine how Tom Stoppard or Michael Apted (Jagger's friends who were doing something for the Stones) will tell anything about Keith exept good

Thanks for the link, great interview!

Bobby´s first albums are wonderful.

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Re: Bobby Womack Thinks Mick Jagger Is An A**hole
Date: May 28, 2012 23:39

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I read an account somewhere that Bobby was bitter about the Stones' success with IAON shortly after it came out, because it eclipsed his own version which he had recorded not long before. But another R and B performer - might have been Chuck Berry - told him to embrace it because the RS' success would filter down to him in the form of royalty cheques and exposure. It's ironic that the royalty cheques from IOAN ended up being a lifeline for Bobby. And the RS' success did filter down to many R and B and blues musicians, whose careers were revived due to the RS making their material available to a new large audience.

Bobby isn't the only singer who resents Mick's success. Michael Jackson complained that Mick sang flat on their duet, and asked himself how Mick ever got to be a star.

Jagger was indeed flat in "State of Shock". winking smiley

Re: Bobby Womack about Mick Jagger
Posted by: Bliss ()
Date: May 29, 2012 00:22

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u are such an a=hole gazza! lol

didn't u once suk jagger's cock?

No. Twice.

So..what's the verdict on the todger?

Re: Bobby Womack about Mick Jagger
Posted by: Gazza ()
Date: May 29, 2012 00:40

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u are such an a=hole gazza! lol

didn't u once suk jagger's cock?

No. Twice.

So..what's the verdict on the todger?

Thats why I needed two attempts. Draw your own conclusions.

Re: Bobby Womack about Mick Jagger
Date: May 29, 2012 01:19

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u are such an a=hole gazza! lol

didn't u once suk jagger's cock?

No. Twice.

So..what's the verdict on the todger?

Thats why I needed two attempts. Draw your own conclusions.

Mr. Gazza

And you have the nerve to criticize my posts.

Re: Bobby Womack about Mick Jagger
Date: May 29, 2012 01:45

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u are such an a=hole gazza! lol

didn't u once suk jagger's cock?

No. Twice.

So..what's the verdict on the todger?

Thats why I needed two attempts. Draw your own conclusions.

I am sure Mick appreciates crap like this. Hope he missed this one.

Re: Bobby Womack about Mick Jagger
Posted by: Stoneage ()
Date: May 29, 2012 01:49

LOL, MSSR50! You got a point there...

Re: Bobby Womack about Mick Jagger
Posted by: rocker1 ()
Date: May 29, 2012 01:51

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I am sure Mick appreciates crap like this. Hope he missed this one.

I'm sure he did.

Re: Bobby Womack about Mick Jagger
Posted by: Rocky Dijon ()
Date: May 29, 2012 02:11

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[Thats why I needed two attempts. Draw your own conclusions.

Well, so much for the theory that you're really Matt Clifford...

Re: Bobby Womack Thinks Mick Jagger Is An A**hole
Posted by: Title5Take1 ()
Date: May 29, 2012 04:19

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In 1986 the Stones were not really clean and Womack was a HUGE cokehead.

From RONNIE p. 195, "Bobby Womack was also a regular at my house, and whenever he'd come to have a hit on the [freebase] pipe, he'd go straight into the wardrobe, shut the door and stand there in the dark. Hey, where's Bobby? Oh, he's in the wardrobe with the clothes." p. 196, "Bobby and I would wind up locked in the bathroom freebasing, and not come out for days. He was spending so much time at our house with me that Jo actually asked once, `Don't you live somewhere? Don't you have a home to go to?'"

Re: Bobby Womack Thinks Mick Jagger Is An A**hole
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: May 29, 2012 08:52

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In 1986 the Stones were not really clean and Womack was a HUGE cokehead.

From RONNIE p. 195, "Bobby Womack was also a regular at my house, and whenever he'd come to have a hit on the [freebase] pipe, he'd go straight into the wardrobe, shut the door and stand there in the dark. Hey, where's Bobby? Oh, he's in the wardrobe with the clothes." p. 196, "Bobby and I would wind up locked in the bathroom freebasing, and not come out for days. He was spending so much time at our house with me that Jo actually asked once, `Don't you live somewhere? Don't you have a home to go to?'"

Hmmm.. no matter what a great musician he was back in 60's/70's (damn, "Across 110th Street" is one of the best songs ever!), Mr. Womack does not seem to have much credibility in judging anyone's behavior in those mid 80's days... If Jagger didn't treat him most lovingly under those cirmustances, I wonder why...eye rolling smiley

- Doxa



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Re: Bobby Womack about Mick Jagger
Posted by: Mathijs ()
Date: May 29, 2012 11:09

For what its worth -Womack sings on two of the best outtakes ever: Strictly Memphis and Sending out Invitations.

Mathijs

Re: Bobby Womack about Mick Jagger
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