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If Portugal wins it won't do with a draw for Denmark. As I understand Holland has to win with two goals against Portugal. But if Denmark takes a point from Germany they (Holland) are out anyway.

Thanks for correction. I don't know what the hec I was calculating above...

- Doxa



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-06-17 14:39 by Doxa.

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rollmops
Although that may have been discussed here before but how cool it must be for Jack white to have stadiums full of soccer fans chanting the riff of a tune he has written years ago; I'm talking about "Seven nation Army". I heard it for the first time a couple of days ago while watching Germany-Netherlands.Somebody knows how it started?
Rock and roll,
Mops

Hi rollmops (german?),

the riff of Seven Nation Army has become an almost "traditional" football chant, at least here in Dortmund! I think it was "born" back in 2006 during the wordl cup. Even my 4year old son runs through our garden, singing "deen, denn denn denn denn, deen, dé"!

FBC - ole, ole!

I like the singing by the Irish, the Czechs and by whoever. But what I really disgust is the German 'Sieg' yell. Especially the way they do it. Typically German. One always thinks they'll add the 'Heil' as well. Fortunately they never do. But that repeated yell has something threatening to me.

Hi Kleermarker,

yes, it sounds martial, but has nothing to do with nationalism in any way. "Sieg" is a common fan-yell in the bundesliga. Usually there is a little bit of clapping or drumming before everyone yells "sieg" ("bum, bum, bummbummbummbummbumm - SIEG". Nationalism/Narzism in any way isn´t tolerated in german football stadiums at all ... otherwise I wouldn´t go there!



I hope the dutch will win this evening! And I hope "we" will beat the Danish ....

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rollmops
Although that may have been discussed here before but how cool it must be for Jack white to have stadiums full of soccer fans chanting the riff of a tune he has written years ago; I'm talking about "Seven nation Army". I heard it for the first time a couple of days ago while watching Germany-Netherlands.Somebody knows how it started?
Rock and roll,
Mops

Hi rollmops (german?),

the riff of Seven Nation Army has become an almost "traditional" football chant, at least here in Dortmund! I think it was "born" back in 2006 during the wordl cup. Even my 4year old son runs through our garden, singing "deen, denn denn denn denn, deen, dé"!

FBC - ole, ole!

I like the singing by the Irish, the Czechs and by whoever. But what I really disgust is the German 'Sieg' yell. Especially the way they do it. Typically German. One always thinks they'll add the 'Heil' as well. Fortunately they never do. But that repeated yell has something threatening to me.

Hi Kleermarker,

yes, it sounds martial, but has nothing to do with nationalism in any way. "Sieg" is a common fan-yell in the bundesliga. Usually there is a little bit of clapping or drumming before everyone yells "sieg" ("bum, bum, bummbummbummbummbumm - SIEG". Nationalism/Narzism in any way isn´t tolerated in german football stadiums at all ... otherwise I wouldn´t go there!



I hope the dutch will win this evening! And I hope "we" will beat the Danish ....

I know rationally Muenke, but it doesn't feel good to me personally. Let the Germans also sing. I would love to hear a good Schlager during the match

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Although that may have been discussed here before but how cool it must be for Jack white to have stadiums full of soccer fans chanting the riff of a tune he has written years ago; I'm talking about "Seven nation Army". I heard it for the first time a couple of days ago while watching Germany-Netherlands.Somebody knows how it started?
Rock and roll,
Mops

Hi rollmops (german?),

the riff of Seven Nation Army has become an almost "traditional" football chant, at least here in Dortmund! I think it was "born" back in 2006 during the wordl cup. Even my 4year old son runs through our garden, singing "deen, denn denn denn denn, deen, dé"!

FBC - ole, ole!

I like the singing by the Irish, the Czechs and by whoever. But what I really disgust is the German 'Sieg' yell. Especially the way they do it. Typically German. One always thinks they'll add the 'Heil' as well. Fortunately they never do. But that repeated yell has something threatening to me.

Hi Kleermarker,

yes, it sounds martial, but has nothing to do with nationalism in any way. "Sieg" is a common fan-yell in the bundesliga. Usually there is a little bit of clapping or drumming before everyone yells "sieg" ("bum, bum, bummbummbummbummbumm - SIEG". Nationalism/Narzism in any way isn´t tolerated in german football stadiums at all ... otherwise I wouldn´t go there!



I hope the dutch will win this evening! And I hope "we" will beat the Danish ....

I know rationally Muenke, but it doesn't feel good to me personally. Let the Germans also sing. I would love to hear a good Schlager during the match

Great choice. Something like that:




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When did they change the rules in Euro/World Cup tournaments so that 'head to head' results take preference over goal difference (I know they use this system in some European leagues such as La Liga).

In previous tournaments, Russia would have qualified in second place instead of Greece.

It also means - from what I can see - that France are pretty sure to qualify for the quarter finals as Ukraine cant finish ahead of them if they're level on points and only either Ukraine or England can finish ahead of them (but not both).

The only way they cant would be if they lose to Sweden by a significantly higher margin (2 goals) than the Ukraine beat England by.

I think Premier League is the only big european league that uses goal difference as second factor. There is also strange rule in Euro and not many people know about it: imagine two teams finished group stage with the same amount of points and exactly the same goal difference and the result between these teams was a draw. If they played against each other in first or second round then FIFA World Ranking decides. But if they play in the last round there is penalty shootout after tie game.

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I think Premier League is the only big european league that uses goal difference as second factor. There is also strange rule in Euro and not many people know about it: imagine two teams finished group stage with the same amount of points and exactly the same goal difference and the result between these teams was a draw. If they played against each other in first or second round then FIFA World Ranking decides. But if they play in the last round there is penalty shootout after tie game.

First I've heard of it. The rule, as I've always understood it, is that if they cant be separated on head-to-head, goal difference or goals scored, then it goes to the drawing of lots.

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When did they change the rules in Euro/World Cup tournaments so that 'head to head' results take preference over goal difference (I know they use this system in some European leagues such as La Liga).

In previous tournaments, Russia would have qualified in second place instead of Greece.

It also means - from what I can see - that France are pretty sure to qualify for the quarter finals as Ukraine cant finish ahead of them if they're level on points and only either Ukraine or England can finish ahead of them (but not both).

The only way they cant would be if they lose to Sweden by a significantly higher margin (2 goals) than the Ukraine beat England by.

The last round always requires higher mathematics. Fortunately they mention the scores of both matches on Dutch TV, marking the virtual qualifiers in green and those who are virtually out in red. Easy for simple minds like me.

The last methods to tell teams apart are:

- UEFA nationskoefficient ranking
- Fair Play ranking in the tournament
- Lottery (last)

At least according to my local newspaper...

Yes

Confirmed in this BBC site

[www.bbc.co.uk]

From wikipedia
Group stage
Main article: UEFA Euro 2012 schedule

The teams finishing in the top two positions in each of the four groups will progress to the quarter-finals, while the bottom two teams will be eliminated from the tournament.

Tie-breaking criteria

If two or more teams are equal on points on completion of the group matches, the following criteria are applied to determine the rankings (according to paragraphs 8.07 and 8.08 of the regulations, and amendment to 8.07 adopted by the UEFA Executive Committee)

1.Higher number of points obtained in the matches played between the teams in question;
2.Superior goal difference resulting from the matches played between the teams in question (if more than two teams finish equal on points);
3.Higher number of goals scored in the matches played between the teams in question (if more than two teams finish equal on points);
4.If, after having applied criteria 1 to 3 to more than two teams, two teams still have an equal ranking, criteria 1 to 3 are reapplied exclusively to the matches between the two teams in question to determine the final rankings of the two teams. If this procedure does not lead to a decision, criteria 5 to 10 apply in the order given;
5.Superior goal difference in all group matches;
6.Higher number of goals scored in all group matches;
7.If two teams which are tied in all criteria 1 to 6 play their last group match against each other (i.e., the result is a draw and the two teams have the same number of points, goal difference and goals scored), and provided no other teams within the group have the same number of points, the ranking of the two teams in question is determined by penalty shoot-out. Otherwise, criteria 8 to 10 apply in the order given;
8.Position in the UEFA national team coefficient ranking system;
9.Fair play conduct of the teams (final tournament);
10.Drawing of lots.

Note: As all teams have different UEFA national team coefficient, the last two tie-breakers (fair play conduct and drawing of lots) will never be applied in this tournament.

Keep On Rolling

True. Its UEFA national team coefficient ranking system ranking not FIFA World Ranking, my mistake. And two last rules: Fair play and lottery exists but they are useless, because every team must have different ranking coefficient. Another strange thing

Or any for that matter. They're hardly likely to have exactly the same ranking.

I think Portugal is helping the Dutch team out of their misery.

Holland seem to think they are Scotland... awful.

* His Majesty, Prince Jones smiled as he moved among the crowd *

Congratulations to Portugal and Germany

Keep On Rolling

Congrats to Portugal and Germany.
My favourite team,the Netherlands, had an incredible bad tournament.

Germany,watch out for Greece...

Pity for Holland....on the other hand glad it's over...things got on my nerves the last weeks.......

I will check out England.....hope they come up with a surprise

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StonesCave

Denmark were robbed off a clear penalty though in the 76th minute. Referees tends to hesitate to call penalties against favorite teams like Germany.

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Those Portugueses - just terrible. One just could wait for a Danish goal.

How terrible is that?

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Those Portugueses - just terrible. One just could wait for a Danish goal.

How terrible is that?

That is a terrible mistake by the Dutch central 'defence'.

All in all Holland was miserable. I've never seen them play as badly as tonight. In one word: terrible. Portugal didn't have a any problem after the first goal Holland scored: they could have won with 5 or 6 against 1.

I've watched the comments on Dutch TV on the public and commercial channel and everyone was stupefied. Conclusion: there's something rotten in the team of Orange. Gregory van der Wiel, right wing defender, said he had big problems with other players. So the atmosphere must have been terrible too. All others said the same, but - like politicians - between the lines.

Anyway: I've predicted one out of four well for the quarter finals: Portugal.
I'm curious how many will remain. Otherwise it's prediction game over for me as well.

Portugal terrible?
terrible?

We have watched two different games...

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Those Portugueses - just terrible. One just could wait for a Danish goal.

How terrible is that?

That is a terrible mistake by the Dutch central 'defence'.

All in all Holland was miserable. I've never seen them play as badly as tonight. In one word: terrible. Portugal didn't have a any problem after the first goal Holland scored: they could have won with 5 or 6 against 1.

I've watched the comments on Dutch TV on the public and commercial channel and everyone was stupefied. Conclusion: there's something rotten in the team of Orange. Gregory van der Wiel, right wing defender, said he had big problems with other players. So the atmosphere must have been terrible too. All others said the same, but - like politicians - between the lines.

Anyway: I've predicted one out of four well for the quarter finals: Portugal.
I'm curious how many will remain. Otherwise it's prediction game over for me as well.

Great players ...........but they suc-k as a team...............pity..........next time they should play without a trainer

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All in all Holland was miserable. I've never seen them play as badly as tonight. In one word: terrible....

I've watched the comments on Dutch TV ... everyone was stupefied.
Conclusion: there's something rotten in the team of Orange.

Kleermaker

I get your point, as I lived and feel the same way with our French Team during let's say 4 years (at least)
with the miserable team & trainer that we got and the image that we had shown to the World from 2006 to 2011...
The highlight of this nightmare has been the last Worldcup. We have won the price of " The Worst Great Team in a World Cup ever ".
Every dutch player I've seen tonight think for himself, no team spirit at all,
when a team lose that, it's over...

Riffbuk

congrats to Portugal !

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All in all Holland was miserable. I've never seen them play as badly as tonight. In one word: terrible....

I've watched the comments on Dutch TV ... everyone was stupefied.
Conclusion: there's something rotten in the team of Orange.

Kleermaker

I get your point, as I lived and feel the same way with our French Team during let's say 4 years (at least)
with the miserable team & trainer that we got and the image that we had shown to the World from 2006 to 2011...
The highlight of this nightmare has been the last Worldcup. We have won the price of " The Worst Great Team in a World Cup ever ".
Every dutch player I've seen tonight think for himself, no team spirit at all,
when a team lose that, it's over...

Riffbuk

congrats to Portugal !

Congrats to you Riffbuk. I have Portugal against Spain in my prediction. I hope that will come true. Would be a great match I think.

Anyway, the tournament goes on and I will watch the next matches with great pleasure. Thus far the tournament is very enjoyable to me. And Oranje, well I've never been a believer of nationalism. So I don't feel sorry that Holland is out. But I love the Dutch football style and that's what I've been missing. Anyway, there's still the Spanish team, the French team, the Portuguese team, the German team and some other that I love to watch.

Thank you Honestman and Kleermaker!
I have to be honest and say that the Portuguese team have two more victories then I expectec. In the beginning of the tornament there was a nationwide cepticism towards this team. Will see whats gonna happen next. It´s strange to see a team like Holland, full of great players, like Robben, Van der Vaart, Van Persie, Sneijder; Huntelaar that played without conviction, and no heart. Maybe is the Ego in the players head, according to some rumors. Anyway on with the show

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And a bad day for my prediction

I have only had bad days with my predictions

First time I've checked in a couple of days. But seems I've had some good ones.

"It's just some friends of mine and they're busting down the door"

At least Denmark was in the match until late in the game when Germany scored their second goal. If Jakob Paulson didn't blatantly quit on play and allow Lars Bender to just blow by him things may have been different. Germany was on edge and in danger of being knocked out. What a horrible play by Denmark, but a beautiful play by Germany.

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