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Taylor recently took a shot at Wyman in an interview with the NY Daily News. Something to the effect that he had let go of any complaints about songwiting credits, unlike Bill Wyman.
Actual Quote:
“It was a little bit of a bone of contention at the time,” he allows. “But I don’t think I’m as bitter about it as Bill Wyman. I can’t believe Bill is really bitter after all these years. Come on!”
[articles.nydailynews.com]
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-05-23 19:26 by tkl7.
Unbelievable! lol.. oh well. Seems some things never change.
Perhaps Bill (or Jagger, or Richards or whoever) is right. That Taylor would in some way fold on even a short tour or residency - psychologically or in his playing or something... but damn, from the outside looking in, like I am, it just seems Taylor sits down with Jagger for one half hour and the Stones have their best single in 20 years or so. That's why it's so hard (for me at least), to accept Taylor won't be part of it.
I don't know who is a "genius" and who isn't, but if you thought Taylor's only contributions to the Stones greatest records was playing solos you don't know very much about the Rolling Stones.
Two of the most over used words in modern times, are, genius and great.
There's no mention in that quote to suggest that hes referring to one show regarding Taylor.
Fixed that for yah cos you had one word too many.
* His Majesty, Prince Jones smiled as he moved among the crowd *
Yes, this is right. There was also the matter of Bill misspeaking or misunderstanding the arrangements of Taylor's financial settlement with the Stones when they parted ways, or perhaps the options Taylor did or did not have.
There were also the matters of Bill's recollection of Taylor's drug use (or not) in France, Bill's description/criticism of Taylor's stage presence in the Exile video, Bill's comments on Taylor's poor playing at a Rhythm Kings recording session - maybe all, some of none of these have something to do with these little comments back and forth (seemingly) lately. I don't know.
What a shame to accumulate this crap in memory, rather than have some good new Stones tunes to think about instead.
What? Do you know about his present condition? What I've seen of him lately was far from impressive. Neither his playin nor his constitution was in form for a big tour.
They're not going on a "big tour" with or without Taylor. And as for his recent playing, it sounds better than any guitar playing heard on the last Stones tour.
Are you his doctor? Did you do an examination on him? Pray tell how you reached your diagnosis!
I like his playin very much. But if you don't want to see it, okay . .
Of course. But that's not the point here.And if there is talk about T. being not fit enough they most likely dont talk about just one gig.
And 10 cities around the world with 3-10 gigs each should be a big tour for them now . .
Bill also said in the Exile doc "some of the things he did were just amazing" (or words very close to that).
By those standards a certain Mr. Wood would have been excluded from virtually every tour since 1981.
Bill Wyman criticizing someone's stage presence? Well I'll be a son of a gun.
Maybe, he should get together with Ted Nugent,to discuss politics,alike minds
Seriously, too simplistic,there is much more to the current crisis,than just people wanting a handout from the Rich.....
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Re: Bill Wymman: I play with the Stones if they get together
Posted by:
tkl7
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Date: May 23, 2012 19:24
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71Tele
I find the attitude expressed toward Taylor (if accurately described) extremely puzzling.
Taylor recently took a shot at Wyman in an interview with the NY Daily News. Something to the effect that he had let go of any complaints about songwiting credits, unlike Bill Wyman.
Actual Quote:
“It was a little bit of a bone of contention at the time,” he allows. “But I don’t think I’m as bitter about it as Bill Wyman. I can’t believe Bill is really bitter after all these years. Come on!”
[articles.nydailynews.com]
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-05-23 19:26 by tkl7.
Re: Bill Wymman: I play with the Stones if they get together
Posted by:
Stoneage
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Date: May 23, 2012 19:38
I don't understand this. Does Perks mean Taylor isn't up to one concert? I understand that they do not consider him for a big tour, but one concert?
Re: Bill Wymman: I play with the Stones if they get together
Posted by:
71Tele
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Date: May 23, 2012 19:40
Very strange that two ex-members would be bickering in the press. I want 'em both back!
Re: Bill Wymman: I play with the Stones if they get together
Posted by:
Nimrod
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Date: May 23, 2012 20:14
I don't know why anyone ever expected a tour with Bill. The guy stopped wanting to do tours and being a Rolling Stone 20 years ago. At age 75, I would think he has even less interest. If Bill is involved at all, it will be one big blowout gig in England and for all we know, one big blowout gig is all the entire band has left in them. It might be all Keith is able to do and it might be all the others want to do.
Re: Bill Wymman: I play with the Stones if they get together
Posted by:
SweetThing
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Date: May 23, 2012 20:17
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dandelion1967
- ¿Y estaría el guitarrista Mike Taylor?
- No. Pensamos en ello, pero no es aquel chico que era cuando era un genio.
It reads: - And will join Mick (Mike, sic) Taylor
- No. We thought about it, but he ain't the kind of guy he was when he was a genius.
WHAT?¿???
Unbelievable! lol.. oh well. Seems some things never change.
Perhaps Bill (or Jagger, or Richards or whoever) is right. That Taylor would in some way fold on even a short tour or residency - psychologically or in his playing or something... but damn, from the outside looking in, like I am, it just seems Taylor sits down with Jagger for one half hour and the Stones have their best single in 20 years or so. That's why it's so hard (for me at least), to accept Taylor won't be part of it.
Re: Bill Wymman: I play with the Stones if they get together
Posted by:
emotionalbarbecue
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Date: May 23, 2012 20:43
Bill obviously and perfectly knows the words he uses....
First....."Genious".....
Second....."was".....
It is the first time to my knowledge when "genius" is appliable to a stone member (by other member by the way...) in this kind of context.
Not even Brian Jones has been described as "genius", let alone by other band member (at least in a non lyrical/literary/congratulatory/complimentary context). So it is not innocent. If Bill thinks so....Charlie ALSO thinks that way.....(I can not provide evidences...).
By sayin "genius" Bill (and Charlie) clarifies some inner thoughts and by saying "was"...he is not being really friendly towards Taylor....although everybody thinks so in the end...
First....."Genious".....
Second....."was".....
It is the first time to my knowledge when "genius" is appliable to a stone member (by other member by the way...) in this kind of context.
Not even Brian Jones has been described as "genius", let alone by other band member (at least in a non lyrical/literary/congratulatory/complimentary context). So it is not innocent. If Bill thinks so....Charlie ALSO thinks that way.....(I can not provide evidences...).
By sayin "genius" Bill (and Charlie) clarifies some inner thoughts and by saying "was"...he is not being really friendly towards Taylor....although everybody thinks so in the end...
Re: Bill Wymman: I play with the Stones if they get together
Posted by:
GumbootCloggeroo
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Date: May 23, 2012 20:56
Mick Taylor was never a "genius". He was just good at playing a guitar solo.
Re: Bill Wymman: I play with the Stones if they get together
Posted by:
24FPS
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Date: May 23, 2012 21:03
Bill can be as blunt as Keith. Maybe that is the true feeling among the members that met in December, that Taylor is not the player he once was and would not be a great addition to their music. Bill has often said he would play with the group for one gig, some kind of finale or something.
Personally I hope it wouldn't be one of those 'All-Star' b-s moves where everyboy is up on stage all at once, with Wyman and Daryll playing at the same time and Mick Taylor maybe taking a short lead part. That crap is ultimately unsatisfying at places like the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductions. Nobody is limiting the Rolling Stones to what they can do on what could be their final album. There is no reason Bill couldn't play on one two songs, or the whole damn thing. There's no reason Mick Taylor couldn't contribute to a new song. Who knows? There might be a Brian Jones gem back there somewhere that could be gussied up like they've done with the Exile and Some Girls cuts. It would generate some interest in a new album, unlike the little interest there is in them doing the mostly unispired work they've done on the last 3 albums.
Personally I hope it wouldn't be one of those 'All-Star' b-s moves where everyboy is up on stage all at once, with Wyman and Daryll playing at the same time and Mick Taylor maybe taking a short lead part. That crap is ultimately unsatisfying at places like the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductions. Nobody is limiting the Rolling Stones to what they can do on what could be their final album. There is no reason Bill couldn't play on one two songs, or the whole damn thing. There's no reason Mick Taylor couldn't contribute to a new song. Who knows? There might be a Brian Jones gem back there somewhere that could be gussied up like they've done with the Exile and Some Girls cuts. It would generate some interest in a new album, unlike the little interest there is in them doing the mostly unispired work they've done on the last 3 albums.
Re: Bill Wymman: I play with the Stones if they get together
Posted by:
sweetcharmedlife
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Date: May 23, 2012 21:08
I like him a lot better than Bill Wymman.Quote
Cocaine Eyes
Oh, I love this! I love Bill Wyman.
Re: Bill Wymman: I play with the Stones if they get together
Posted by:
71Tele
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Date: May 23, 2012 21:11
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GumbootCloggeroo
Mick Taylor was never a "genius". He was just good at playing a guitar solo.
I don't know who is a "genius" and who isn't, but if you thought Taylor's only contributions to the Stones greatest records was playing solos you don't know very much about the Rolling Stones.
Re: Bill Wymman: I play with the Stones if they get together
Posted by:
MightyStonesStillRollin50
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Date: May 23, 2012 21:14
Quote
GumbootCloggeroo
Mick Taylor was never a "genius". He was just good at playing a guitar solo.
Two of the most over used words in modern times, are, genius and great.
Re: Bill Wymman: I play with the Stones if they get together
Posted by:
GumbootCloggeroo
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Date: May 23, 2012 21:31
Okay, so he contributed ideas for guitar riffs and songs, as well. Still, not a genius. I agree that the term "genius" in music is floated around way too handedly but to put Mick Taylor alongside someone who is generally regarded as a genius is ridiculous, in my opinion.Quote
71Tele
Quote
GumbootCloggeroo
Mick Taylor was never a "genius". He was just good at playing a guitar solo.
I don't know who is a "genius" and who isn't, but if you thought Taylor's only contributions to the Stones greatest records was playing solos you don't know very much about the Rolling Stones.
Re: Bill Wymman: I play with the Stones if they get together
Posted by:
24FPS
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Date: May 23, 2012 21:39
Then what the hell is a genius? And who gets to decide that? I think some of Mick Taylor's solos were genius. I think Brian Jones facility with different instruments, and his lyrical playing on tunes like Ruby Tuesday are genius. I think some of Mick's lyrics are genius. I think some of Keith's rhythmic turns are genius. I think Nicky Hopkins piano on She's A Rainbow is genius. All I know about genius is that I know it when I hear, read, or see it.
Re: Bill Wymman: I play with the Stones if they get together
Posted by:
Gazza
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Date: May 23, 2012 21:42
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Stoneage
I don't understand this. Does Perks mean Taylor isn't up to one concert? I understand that they do not consider him for a big tour, but one concert?
There's no mention in that quote to suggest that hes referring to one show regarding Taylor.
Re: Bill Wymman: I play with the Stones if they get together
Posted by:
GumbootCloggeroo
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Date: May 23, 2012 21:46
You didn't receive your genius-o-meter in the mail when you signed up for IORR? Bummer.Quote
24FPS
Then what the hell is a genius? And who gets to decide that?
Re: Bill Wymman: I play with the Stones if they get together
Posted by:
His Majesty
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Date: May 23, 2012 21:47
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GumbootCloggeroo
Mick Taylor was never a "genius". He was just good at playing a guitar.
Fixed that for yah cos you had one word too many.
* His Majesty, Prince Jones smiled as he moved among the crowd *
Re: Bill Wymman: I play with the Stones if they get together
Posted by:
SweetThing
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Date: May 23, 2012 22:17
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tkl7
Quote
71Tele
I find the attitude expressed toward Taylor (if accurately described) extremely puzzling.
Taylor recently took a shot at Wyman in an interview with the NY Daily News. Something to the effect that he had let go of any complaints about songwiting credits, unlike Bill Wyman.
Actual Quote:
“It was a little bit of a bone of contention at the time,” he allows. “But I don’t think I’m as bitter about it as Bill Wyman. I can’t believe Bill is really bitter after all these years. Come on!”
[articles.nydailynews.com]
Yes, this is right. There was also the matter of Bill misspeaking or misunderstanding the arrangements of Taylor's financial settlement with the Stones when they parted ways, or perhaps the options Taylor did or did not have.
There were also the matters of Bill's recollection of Taylor's drug use (or not) in France, Bill's description/criticism of Taylor's stage presence in the Exile video, Bill's comments on Taylor's poor playing at a Rhythm Kings recording session - maybe all, some of none of these have something to do with these little comments back and forth (seemingly) lately. I don't know.
What a shame to accumulate this crap in memory, rather than have some good new Stones tunes to think about instead.
Re: Bill Wymman: I play with the Stones if they get together
Posted by:
24FPS
()
Date: May 23, 2012 22:49
Quote
GumbootCloggeroo
You didn't receive your genius-o-meter in the mail when you signed up for IORR? Bummer.Quote
24FPS
Then what the hell is a genius? And who gets to decide that?
Re: Bill Wymman: I play with the Stones if they get together
Posted by:
CousinC
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Date: May 23, 2012 23:13
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71Tele
Quote
CousinC
As much as I love the Taylor-Stones I think Wyman is quite right here.What I saw of Taylor lately he's no win for a Rockband anymore.Plus we don't know about his health situation.Think he just keeps playing because he has to for a living.
Of course it's not much better with Keith. But without Keith no Stones.
But wasn't there a comment from Keith like "we try to shape Taylor up"?
Rubbish.
What? Do you know about his present condition? What I've seen of him lately was far from impressive. Neither his playin nor his constitution was in form for a big tour.
Re: Bill Wymman: I play with the Stones if they get together
Posted by:
Nimrod
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Date: May 23, 2012 23:21
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CousinC
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71Tele
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CousinC
As much as I love the Taylor-Stones I think Wyman is quite right here.What I saw of Taylor lately he's no win for a Rockband anymore.Plus we don't know about his health situation.Think he just keeps playing because he has to for a living.
Of course it's not much better with Keith. But without Keith no Stones.
But wasn't there a comment from Keith like "we try to shape Taylor up"?
Rubbish.
What? Do you know about his present condition? What I've seen of him lately was far from impressive. Neither his playin nor his constitution was in form for a big tour.
They're not going on a "big tour" with or without Taylor. And as for his recent playing, it sounds better than any guitar playing heard on the last Stones tour.
Re: Bill Wymman: I play with the Stones if they get together
Posted by:
tkl7
()
Date: May 23, 2012 23:22
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CousinC
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71Tele
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CousinC
As much as I love the Taylor-Stones I think Wyman is quite right here.What I saw of Taylor lately he's no win for a Rockband anymore.Plus we don't know about his health situation.Think he just keeps playing because he has to for a living.
Of course it's not much better with Keith. But without Keith no Stones.
But wasn't there a comment from Keith like "we try to shape Taylor up"?
Rubbish.
What? Do you know about his present condition? What I've seen of him lately was far from impressive. Neither his playin nor his constitution was in form for a big tour.
Are you his doctor? Did you do an examination on him? Pray tell how you reached your diagnosis!
Re: Bill Wymman: I play with the Stones if they get together
Posted by:
CousinC
()
Date: May 23, 2012 23:36
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tkl7
Quote
CousinC
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71Tele
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CousinC
As much as I love the Taylor-Stones I think Wyman is quite right here.What I saw of Taylor lately he's no win for a Rockband anymore.Plus we don't know about his health situation.Think he just keeps playing because he has to for a living.
Of course it's not much better with Keith. But without Keith no Stones.
But wasn't there a comment from Keith like "we try to shape Taylor up"?
Rubbish.
What? Do you know about his present condition? What I've seen of him lately was far from impressive. Neither his playin nor his constitution was in form for a big tour.
Are you his doctor? Did you do an examination on him? Pray tell how you reached your diagnosis!
I like his playin very much. But if you don't want to see it, okay . .
Re: Bill Wymman: I play with the Stones if they get together
Posted by:
CousinC
()
Date: May 23, 2012 23:41
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Nimrod
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CousinC
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71Tele
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CousinC
As much as I love the Taylor-Stones I think Wyman is quite right here.What I saw of Taylor lately he's no win for a Rockband anymore.Plus we don't know about his health situation.Think he just keeps playing because he has to for a living.
Of course it's not much better with Keith. But without Keith no Stones.
But wasn't there a comment from Keith like "we try to shape Taylor up"?
Rubbish.
What? Do you know about his present condition? What I've seen of him lately was far from impressive. Neither his playin nor his constitution was in form for a big tour.
They're not going on a "big tour" with or without Taylor. And as for his recent playing, it sounds better than any guitar playing heard on the last Stones tour.
Of course. But that's not the point here.And if there is talk about T. being not fit enough they most likely dont talk about just one gig.
And 10 cities around the world with 3-10 gigs each should be a big tour for them now . .
Re: Bill Wymman: I play with the Stones if they get together
Posted by:
champ72
()
Date: May 24, 2012 00:59
Well I think I'd prefer to go with the current Stone's comment of them trying to get Taylor into playing form rather that some old Birds Custard eating ex-member's interview that has been translated from English into Spanish and then back into English. Also, the comment says "we thought about it but..." as if he is part of any decision-making. Not sure how reliable all this is.. As for those in this thread questioning Taylor's current playing abilities - he is clearly getting into form, look at what he played on Fallon, some very tasty little snippets. So his playing form is at least up to par with Ronnie and Keith I would say. As for his health, who knows? But he looks better than a few years ago in my opinion. I am not a doctor and do not know Taylor personally so I've no idea really, just going on what I can see..
At the end of the day though, maybe he can't really be bothered? I hope he can but who knows?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-05-24 01:00 by champ72.
At the end of the day though, maybe he can't really be bothered? I hope he can but who knows?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-05-24 01:00 by champ72.
Re: Bill Wymman: I play with the Stones if they get together
Posted by:
71Tele
()
Date: May 24, 2012 01:08
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SweetThing
Quote
tkl7
Quote
71Tele
I find the attitude expressed toward Taylor (if accurately described) extremely puzzling.
Taylor recently took a shot at Wyman in an interview with the NY Daily News. Something to the effect that he had let go of any complaints about songwiting credits, unlike Bill Wyman.
Actual Quote:
“It was a little bit of a bone of contention at the time,” he allows. “But I don’t think I’m as bitter about it as Bill Wyman. I can’t believe Bill is really bitter after all these years. Come on!”
[articles.nydailynews.com]
Yes, this is right. There was also the matter of Bill misspeaking or misunderstanding the arrangements of Taylor's financial settlement with the Stones when they parted ways, or perhaps the options Taylor did or did not have.
There were also the matters of Bill's recollection of Taylor's drug use (or not) in France, Bill's description/criticism of Taylor's stage presence in the Exile video, Bill's comments on Taylor's poor playing at a Rhythm Kings recording session - maybe all, some of none of these have something to do with these little comments back and forth (seemingly) lately. I don't know.
What a shame to accumulate this crap in memory, rather than have some good new Stones tunes to think about instead.
Bill also said in the Exile doc "some of the things he did were just amazing" (or words very close to that).
Re: Bill Wymman: I play with the Stones if they get together
Posted by:
melillo
()
Date: May 24, 2012 02:19
one gig, thats fine but what about the rumor of bill rejoining ?
Re: Bill Wymman: I play with the Stones if they get together
Posted by:
71Tele
()
Date: May 24, 2012 05:16
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CousinC
Quote
71Tele
Quote
CousinC
As much as I love the Taylor-Stones I think Wyman is quite right here.What I saw of Taylor lately he's no win for a Rockband anymore.Plus we don't know about his health situation.Think he just keeps playing because he has to for a living.
Of course it's not much better with Keith. But without Keith no Stones.
But wasn't there a comment from Keith like "we try to shape Taylor up"?
Rubbish.
What? Do you know about his present condition? What I've seen of him lately was far from impressive. Neither his playin nor his constitution was in form for a big tour.
By those standards a certain Mr. Wood would have been excluded from virtually every tour since 1981.
Re: Bill Wymman: I play with the Stones if they get together
Posted by:
stones78
()
Date: May 24, 2012 05:41
Quote
SweetThing
Yes, this is right. There was also the matter of Bill misspeaking or misunderstanding the arrangements of Taylor's financial settlement with the Stones when they parted ways, or perhaps the options Taylor did or did not have.
There were also the matters of Bill's recollection of Taylor's drug use (or not) in France, Bill's description/criticism of Taylor's stage presence in the Exile video, Bill's comments on Taylor's poor playing at a Rhythm Kings recording session - maybe all, some of none of these have something to do with these little comments back and forth (seemingly) lately. I don't know.
What a shame to accumulate this crap in memory, rather than have some good new Stones tunes to think about instead.
Bill Wyman criticizing someone's stage presence? Well I'll be a son of a gun.
Re: Bill Wymman: I play with the Stones if they get together
Posted by:
Title5Take1
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Date: May 24, 2012 07:09
Q. What idea of Europe do you get with your travels? What about the crisis?
BILL: "I do not like the idea of Europe's rich and poor countries with the rich ones supporting the poor, and they will be lazy and not work as hard, because they will be helped anyway. This is what happened in Greece, I'm afraid...Many French are coming to England because they are going to raise taxes. Will the Spanish be next?"
Golly, what does this make Bill politically? (Good for Bill.)
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-05-24 07:15 by Title5Take1.
BILL: "I do not like the idea of Europe's rich and poor countries with the rich ones supporting the poor, and they will be lazy and not work as hard, because they will be helped anyway. This is what happened in Greece, I'm afraid...Many French are coming to England because they are going to raise taxes. Will the Spanish be next?"
Golly, what does this make Bill politically? (Good for Bill.)
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-05-24 07:15 by Title5Take1.
Re: Bill Wymman: I play with the Stones if they get together
Posted by:
ROPENI
()
Date: May 24, 2012 16:17
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Title5Take1
Q. What idea of Europe do you get with your travels? What about the crisis?
BILL: "I do not like the idea of Europe's rich and poor countries with the rich ones supporting the poor, and they will be lazy and not work as hard, because they will be helped anyway. This is what happened in Greece, I'm afraid...Many French are coming to England because they are going to raise taxes. Will the Spanish be next?"
Golly, what does this make Bill politically? (Good for Bill.)
Maybe, he should get together with Ted Nugent,to discuss politics,alike minds
Seriously, too simplistic,there is much more to the current crisis,than just people wanting a handout from the Rich.....
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