Is "Pirate" a race?

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Charlie is not Jewish, but always thought Ringo might be, as he was adopted. You never know.

this feels like 'the German corner'..................1938......

BTW, I'm pretty sure Mr Zimmermann is Jewish...

What? 1938? On the contrary I was claiming Ringo for my tribe. I'd love to have bragging rights on Charlie but don't think he is Jewish?

Jeez, why does every "Jewish" comment have to go there right away? Context, people!

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Charlie is not Jewish, but always thought Ringo might be, as he was adopted. You never know.

Ringo wasn't adopted. His parents split when he was about 3 and his mother remarried, though.

I always thought Charlie was a Member of the Tribe. Probably just from the Booth book.

I stand corrected, Juan. He still looks like one of my brethren to me.

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Although it commonly defined as ethnic-religious designation, I always maintain that it's a religion, not an ethnicity. If you don't have Jewish beliefs, you're not Jewish.

That's your personal definition of course.

Well, there's no such thing as "Jewish DNA" - ethnic divisions are quite silly. Plus, as a convert to Judaism I get annoyed with being labeled "not a real Jew" while people who don't know a synagogue from a service station are called "Jewish."

True, but actually there is Jewish DNA. Turns out that something like 80% of the people who have the surname "Cohen" (or variant) have common DNA that ties them together. I happen to be one and I find that interesting. It is true that one does not have to be ethnically anything in particular to be Jewish. One can convert and adapt practices and traditions.



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Is "Jewish Pirate" a race?

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Is "cockney jewish pirate" a race?

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Is "cockney jewish pirate" a race?

No, but "cockney jewish pirate gypsy" is

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Although it commonly defined as ethnic-religious designation, I always maintain that it's a religion, not an ethnicity. If you don't have Jewish beliefs, you're not Jewish.

That's your personal definition of course.

Well, there's no such thing as "Jewish DNA" - ethnic divisions are quite silly. Plus, as a convert to Judaism I get annoyed with being labeled "not a real Jew" while people who don't know a synagogue from a service station are called "Jewish."

Judaism is a religion, but there is most certainly a Jewish people, who under Jewish law are defined by their matrilineal ancestry, to which group many fairly or entirely secular people belong. Or were you telling me that, although everyone in my family tree is, I'm not a Jew because I was never bar mitzvah'd and don't go to services?

I'll let God be the final arbiter on who and who is not a Jew, but IMHO you should have some sort of belief to claim the label (which is, in any case, simply a label).

"Anyone who says I'm not a Jew is not a Jew. I'm sorry, but this is final." - Leonard Cohen



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I though Keith was a "welsh cockney jewish pirate"?

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Although it commonly defined as ethnic-religious designation, I always maintain that it's a religion, not an ethnicity. If you don't have Jewish beliefs, you're not Jewish.

That's your personal definition of course.

Well, there's no such thing as "Jewish DNA" - ethnic divisions are quite silly. Plus, as a convert to Judaism I get annoyed with being labeled "not a real Jew" while people who don't know a synagogue from a service station are called "Jewish."

True, but actually there is Jewish DNA. Turns out that something like 80% of the people who have the surname "Cohen" (or variant) have common DNA that ties them together. I happen to be one and I find that interesting. It is true that one does not have to be ethnically anything in particular to be Jewish. One can convert and adapt practices and traditions.

That's so, but you can have that genetic code and NOT be a Jew. You can't have the genetic code for brown eyes and not have brown eyes.

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That's so, but you can have that genetic code and NOT be a Jew. You can't have the genetic code for brown eyes and not have brown eyes.

What if you are albino? Even though your eyes should be brown, they would appear pink since you are unable to produce melanin.

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That's so, but you can have that genetic code and NOT be a Jew. You can't have the genetic code for brown eyes and not have brown eyes.

What if you are albino? Even though your eyes should be brown, they would appear pink since you are unable to produce melanin.

I stand corrected.

SPEAKING AS THE OP - CAN YOU ALL PLEASE GET BACK ON TOPIC BEFORE THIS THREAD GETS CLOSED DOWN!

Namely, what did Keith mean by his statement mentioned in the first post?

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SPEAKING AS THE OP - CAN YOU ALL PLEASE GET BACK ON TOPIC BEFORE THIS THREAD GETS CLOSED DOWN!

Namely, what did Keith mean by his statement mentioned in the first post?

The hand that closes the threads is the hand that controls the world.

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Namely, what did Keith mean by his statement mentioned in the first post?

he meant "how does a Hindu order a hot dog?"
he meant "music dissolves boundaries"
he meant "one love"
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he meant "must put some juice in this" but James Fox misunderstood him

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SPEAKING AS THE OP - CAN YOU ALL PLEASE GET BACK ON TOPIC BEFORE THIS THREAD GETS CLOSED DOWN!

Namely, what did Keith mean by his statement mentioned in the first post?

I think Keith was speaking metaphorically, however it was an odd way to put it.

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Although it commonly defined as ethnic-religious designation, I always maintain that it's a religion, not an ethnicity. If you don't have Jewish beliefs, you're not Jewish.

That's your personal definition of course.

Exactly.

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Although it commonly defined as ethnic-religious designation, I always maintain that it's a religion, not an ethnicity. If you don't have Jewish beliefs, you're not Jewish.

That's your personal definition of course.

Well, there's no such thing as "Jewish DNA" - ethnic divisions are quite silly. Plus, as a convert to Judaism I get annoyed with being labeled "not a real Jew" while people who don't know a synagogue from a service station are called "Jewish."

Ethnic divisions might be silly but they exist anyway. According the jewish law you inherit your status as a jew by matrilineal descent, which would make Charlie a jew. I think that also Elvis was a jew by that traditional definiton. This definiton does not of course exclude people from having other etnic identities as well. It's simply a statement of how they are percieved by the jewish community.

And children with Jewish fathers and gentile mothers can also be Jewish, depending on who you ask of course.

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Although it commonly defined as ethnic-religious designation, I always maintain that it's a religion, not an ethnicity. If you don't have Jewish beliefs, you're not Jewish.

That's your personal definition of course.

Well, there's no such thing as "Jewish DNA" - ethnic divisions are quite silly. Plus, as a convert to Judaism I get annoyed with being labeled "not a real Jew" while people who don't know a synagogue from a service station are called "Jewish."

Ethnic divisions might be silly but they exist anyway. According the jewish law you inherit your status as a jew by matrilineal descent, which would make Charlie a jew. I think that also Elvis was a jew by that traditional definiton. This definiton does not of course exclude people from having other etnic identities as well. It's simply a statement of how they are percieved by the jewish community.

And children with Jewish fathers and gentile mothers can also be Jewish, depending on who you ask of course.

anything having to do with organized religion is a bit absurd, maybe I should just abandon it altogether...old habits die hard, old soldiers just fade away...



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Jeez, why does every "Jewish" comment have to go there right away?

There's 6.000.000 reasons...


I was driving home early Sunday morning through Bakersfield...

I'd doubt very much that Keith was talking about "being Jewish" in any of the ways being argued about here - but there's been a big Jewish community in London since Victorian times and it's certainly possible that somebody back up the family tree (either side - we're not talking about the official requirements for Jewishness here) had Jewish blood. Keith would know, and it doesn't strike me as a remark you'd make without some reason. Anyway, he talks about it as he talks about many things in Life - just an interesting fact, if it is a fact.

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Although it commonly defined as ethnic-religious designation, I always maintain that it's a religion, not an ethnicity. If you don't have Jewish beliefs, you're not Jewish.

That's your personal definition of course.

Well, there's no such thing as "Jewish DNA" - ethnic divisions are quite silly. Plus, as a convert to Judaism I get annoyed with being labeled "not a real Jew" while people who don't know a synagogue from a service station are called "Jewish."

Ethnic divisions might be silly but they exist anyway. According the jewish law you inherit your status as a jew by matrilineal descent, which would make Charlie a jew. I think that also Elvis was a jew by that traditional definiton. This definiton does not of course exclude people from having other etnic identities as well. It's simply a statement of how they are percieved by the jewish community.

And children with Jewish fathers and gentile mothers can also be Jewish, depending on who you ask of course.

According to some liberals anyone can be anything if it only feels right. I think we should stick to what is correct according to tradition.

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True, but actually there is Jewish DNA. Turns out that something like 80% of the people who have the surname "Cohen" (or variant) have common DNA that ties them together. I happen to be one and I find that interesting.

That seems impossible, as within five generations DNA is diluted to less than 3%. The relationship between you and your grand-grand-father is about as close as the relation between you and me.

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I find that hard to believe.

I want to get lost in your rock 'n roll and drift away

I think Keith was just saying that Paint it, Black sounds like Jewish music.

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And children with Jewish fathers and gentile mothers can also be Jewish, depending on who you ask of course.

According to the Halakha, a child of a father who is not a jew can only become a jew through conversion, and even that does not grant you full rights by the Israeli law of return.

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According to my Jewish friends, the mother is the parent who must be Jewish for the child to be considered born Jewish.

Also, there's already been a discussion on Keith's ethnicity: See the thread called:

KEITH RICHARDS HAS FRENCH BLOOD

(Sorry - not sure how to link to another thread - pointers welcome.)
Cheers.

Never saw, heard or read those interviews were Charlie says he is Jewish. Can anyone give more details?