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TF, I really don't know why I am not succeeding in making my very simple point - that, in my opinion, ABB should not have been released because of its' noticeably poor quality relative to the RS' earlier work. To me, even more than Dirty Work, in terms of their studio releases, it is the low point in their career.

It will not sink their legacy - their solid 50 year body of work will see to that - but it does diminish it, because by comparison to their earlier work, it emphasises the degree to which their abilities have evidently declined. I find it hard to understand, because Mick and Keith are such seasoned composers and lyricists. Surely they do not think awful sad/awful bad is an example of great lyric writing.

But if anyone enjoys ABB, that's fine with me. As someone else would say - peace

You are making your point quite clearly I think Bliss, insofar as I don't think I misunderstand what you're saying.

I just happen to disagree that there is any 'damage' to the legacy as a result of ABB...in fact, I see it as a step up from most of their post-80s work. Dangerous Beauty for example is brilliant...Under The Radar, on the 'deluxe' version of the CD, is fantastic. There are 6 or so songs that should have been edited out...that would put it on a level playing field with most of their other releases.

I'd say there is far more potential damange to the legacy, from LIFE and all the pettiness exhibited there, or the Mick 'solo' SNL appearance (and hopefully that doesn't come true) than from ABB. Even those things though, will blow over in the long run.

If I were to agree with you that it was an 'awful bad' album, which I don't, a lot of people like it very much. Streets of Love, and that line in particular shouldn't have been on ABB, most certainly not a single, but with as many songs as there on on that album, I can get past it.

The whole 'peace' thing is a bit overdone, so I'm not going to go there...how about, 'truce!'?

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*******Their image now, to be frank, is a bunch of old, fruity millionaires who can't stand each other.*******

- well, perhaps this image is because the Stones lasted so long compared to Zep and the Beatles. there's more history to plow through. guys on my hockey team in their mid 20's (i'm over 50) have Zepppelin tatoos on their backs, the Swan Song flying guy with wings and all that, etc., they absolutely adore Zeppelin. but they also like (alot) the 68-72 Stones, as well. (not so much after that period.) but no tattoos, but the respect is there. generally these guys like 'heavy' music, so I can see where the Zep adoration comes in. the Stones, being 'less heavy' generally, are a harder sale, perhaps, to this crowd.

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*******Their image now, to be frank, is a bunch of old, fruity millionaires who can't stand each other.*******

- well, perhaps this image is because the Stones lasted so long compared to Zep and the Beatles. there's more history to plow through. guys on my hockey team in their mid 20's (i'm over 50) have Zepppelin tatoos on their backs, the Swan Song flying guy with wings and all that, etc., they absolutely adore Zeppelin. but they also like (alot) the 68-72 Stones, as well. (not so much after that period.) but no tattoos, but the respect is there. generally these guys like 'heavy' music, so I can see where the Zep adoration comes in. the Stones, being 'less heavy' generally, are a harder sale, perhaps, to this crowd.

It's always a battle to win over the hearts and minds of potential new concert goers. The Stones are winning the battle, once again.

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pinkfloydthebarber
*******Their image now, to be frank, is a bunch of old, fruity millionaires who can't stand each other.*******

- well, perhaps this image is because the Stones lasted so long compared to Zep and the Beatles. there's more history to plow through. guys on my hockey team in their mid 20's (i'm over 50) have Zepppelin tatoos on their backs, the Swan Song flying guy with wings and all that, etc., they absolutely adore Zeppelin. but they also like (alot) the 68-72 Stones, as well. (not so much after that period.) but no tattoos, but the respect is there. generally these guys like 'heavy' music, so I can see where the Zep adoration comes in. the Stones, being 'less heavy' generally, are a harder sale, perhaps, to this crowd.

It's always a battle to win over the hearts and minds of potential new concert goers. The Stones are winning the battle, once again.

At this point, the Stones aren't really even fighting the battle...hopefully that will change soon!

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When people finally understand that the Stones have stopped touring, that part won't matter anymore. Because once you're done, it's replaced with something else. So you can flap about 'the greatest' this and that but that's in the past.

What will matter is how they changed things - just like The Beatles.

As bad as Dirty Work is and whatever else, no one will know or care about that. No matter how far the Stones drive their legacy into the ground by 'carrying on', the part that matters has been over for years. And that is what will always be rememebered and talked about.