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Yes it was me Pm, but you must remember I was only 16 at the time and very much in awe of Keith. I also thought Jagger was amazing, it wasnt a case of one or the other, they both had brilliant stage presence... I love your psuedo psychology, but you are way off the mark. I was just wondering when the change happened and if possible why he opted to change.
'some things, well, I can't refuse'
That's a great thread.
:-)
Oh dear
'some things, well, I can't refuse'
BTW, you know what I can't stand? When people use a pretentious, $20-dollar word when there are a dozen others that cut to the chase faster, better, and cheaper.
I think you've hit the nail on the head...the size of the stadiums would necessitate more exaggeration, otherwise those at the back wouldn't see him doing anything other than on the screens which often seem to be slightly out of synch with the sound if you are way back in the stadium. It's a shame because when he moved like he did 68 - 75 he was something else to behold.
'some things, well, I can't refuse'
Wonderful
'some things, well, I can't refuse'
$20-dollar a word isn't bad actually. I've certainly paid up to $80 a word.
Hey - weird thing just happened. I was playing the video above - Start Me Up - and then clicked on the Leo Sayer's and both played. The Stones music cut in and out of "I think I can dance" it actually sounded pretty interesting.
LOL - trying to find an $80 word but I'm broke!
Case closed
Keep On Rolling
Yeah, it's like Keith says about himself, "Don't try this at home."
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Jagger's Dancing?
Posted by:
crumbling_mice
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Date: May 4, 2012 23:05
I'm sure we will all agree that Jagger - in his prime, was the best rock n roll front man. His dancing whilst borrowwed from James Brown, Tina Turner and others, became very distinct and easily recognised as 'a Jagger dance'...The strutting chicken, the foot tapping, the learing etc - all really fluid and, well, Jaggeresque. But, when did he switch over to the stupid posturing which is nearer Cliff Richard than James Brown. He was at his best in 1972/73, but by the time he gets to Knebworth, it appears to have crept in by then.
It just does my head in, there is no obvious reason I can think of why he couldn't of continued as he was. Maybe you think different and like the weird posing and walking up and down the stage?
'some things, well, I can't refuse'
It just does my head in, there is no obvious reason I can think of why he couldn't of continued as he was. Maybe you think different and like the weird posing and walking up and down the stage?
'some things, well, I can't refuse'
Re: Jagger's Dancing?
Posted by:
Send It To me
()
Date: May 4, 2012 23:15
I love the way he moves all over the freaking stage in this clip. PLEASE RETRACT THE CLIFF RICHARD COMPARISON
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-05-04 23:17 by Send It To me.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-05-04 23:17 by Send It To me.
Re: Jagger's Dancing?
Posted by:
gimmelittledrink
()
Date: May 4, 2012 23:27
Well, for one, as he aged he lost a lot of the fluidity that his early dancing was so famous for. Also, the stadium era had a lot to do with the transition to the continuous running that he did in his later years. It's hard to dance while you're running, but he gives it a good try.
Re: Jagger's Dancing?
Posted by:
crumbling_mice
()
Date: May 4, 2012 23:27
I retract nothing! It's bloody true! I shall prove it!
'some things, well, I can't refuse'
'some things, well, I can't refuse'
Re: Jagger's Dancing?
Posted by:
proudmary
()
Date: May 4, 2012 23:34
Yes, I've read it all before - there was thread - Unwatchable Mick Jagger - check it out.
From your point of view where he is on his most stupid and weird - in 78 Live In Texas or 81 Hampton and LSTNT (without even asking about the 89 and after)
BTW, was it you who wrote that at 76 Paris show(your first Stones show) you watched only Keith?
I wonder,being Richards fan, does all the attention that Mick has right now slightly irritate you - hence the desire to bring on this important topic?
From your point of view where he is on his most stupid and weird - in 78 Live In Texas or 81 Hampton and LSTNT (without even asking about the 89 and after)
BTW, was it you who wrote that at 76 Paris show(your first Stones show) you watched only Keith?
I wonder,being Richards fan, does all the attention that Mick has right now slightly irritate you - hence the desire to bring on this important topic?
Re: Jagger's Dancing?
Posted by:
Rolling Hansie
()
Date: May 4, 2012 23:56
I like the way he moves on stage. Whether you should call it dancing...I don't know.
This one blew me away during my first Stones show in 1990.
Keep On Rolling
This one blew me away during my first Stones show in 1990.
Keep On Rolling
Re: Jagger's Dancing?
Posted by:
crumbling_mice
()
Date: May 4, 2012 23:56
Quote
proudmary
Yes, I've read it all before - there was thread - Unwatchable Mick Jagger - check it out.
From your point of view where he is on his most stupid and weird - in 78 Live In Texas or 81 Hampton and LSTNT (without even asking about the 89 and after)
BTW, was it you who wrote that at 76 Paris show(your first Stones show) you watched only Keith?
I wonder,being Richards fan, does all the attention that Mick has right now slightly irritate you - hence the desire to bring on this important topic?
Yes it was me Pm, but you must remember I was only 16 at the time and very much in awe of Keith. I also thought Jagger was amazing, it wasnt a case of one or the other, they both had brilliant stage presence... I love your psuedo psychology, but you are way off the mark. I was just wondering when the change happened and if possible why he opted to change.
'some things, well, I can't refuse'
Re: Jagger's Dancing?
Posted by:
proudmary
()
Date: May 5, 2012 00:28
I was just wondering when the change happened and if possible why he opted to change.
This is way better than call Jagger's stage moves " the stupid posturing" or "the weird posing"
This is way better than call Jagger's stage moves " the stupid posturing" or "the weird posing"
Re: Jagger's Dancing?
Posted by:
Title5Take1
()
Date: May 5, 2012 00:39
First off, I can't stand "leading the witness" opening posts on threads with moron comments like "I'm sure we all agree..." Pompous and tendentious.
Anyway, I saw the Stones on their last tour at their last Vegas show—that was a BRILLIANT concert—and more than once I thought, "If I didn't know who that was and didn't have a video screen showing me his close-up age, I'd maybe think he was a 14 year old gymnast, he's so G*d damned limber." His dancing was great on the last tour (to my tastes, anyway).
Anyway, I saw the Stones on their last tour at their last Vegas show—that was a BRILLIANT concert—and more than once I thought, "If I didn't know who that was and didn't have a video screen showing me his close-up age, I'd maybe think he was a 14 year old gymnast, he's so G*d damned limber." His dancing was great on the last tour (to my tastes, anyway).
Re: Jagger's Dancing?
Posted by:
Come On
()
Date: May 5, 2012 00:43
Dancing? Rather running and jumping like a @#$%& that really seriously damaged his singing....
I was driving home early Sunday morning through Bakersfield...
I was driving home early Sunday morning through Bakersfield...
Re: Jagger's Dancing?
Posted by:
GravityBoy
()
Date: May 5, 2012 00:44
Quote
proudmary
Yes, I've read it all before - there was thread - Unwatchable Mick Jagger - check it out.
That's a great thread.
:-)
Re: Jagger's Dancing?
Posted by:
crumbling_mice
()
Date: May 5, 2012 01:38
Quote
Title5Take1
First off, I can't stand "leading the witness" opening posts on threads with moron comments like "I'm sure we all agree..." Pompous and tendentious.
Anyway, I saw the Stones on their last tour at their last Vegas show—that was a BRILLIANT concert—and more than once I thought, "If I didn't know who that was and didn't have a video screen showing me his close-up age, I'd maybe think he was a 14 year old gymnast, he's so G*d damned limber." His dancing was great on the last tour (to my tastes, anyway).
Oh dear
'some things, well, I can't refuse'
Re: Jagger's Dancing?
Posted by:
memphiscats
()
Date: May 5, 2012 02:13
Well, that's a bit harsh, Title5Take1 - It's not tendentious to state something that's NOT controversial - like Mick was an excellent dancer.Quote
crumbling_mice
Quote
Title5Take1
First off, I can't stand "leading the witness" opening posts on threads with moron comments like "I'm sure we all agree..." Pompous and tendentious.
Anyway, I saw the Stones on their last tour at their last Vegas show—that was a BRILLIANT concert—and more than once I thought, "If I didn't know who that was and didn't have a video screen showing me his close-up age, I'd maybe think he was a 14 year old gymnast, he's so G*d damned limber." His dancing was great on the last tour (to my tastes, anyway).
Oh dear
BTW, you know what I can't stand? When people use a pretentious, $20-dollar word when there are a dozen others that cut to the chase faster, better, and cheaper.
Re: Jagger's Dancing?
Posted by:
Palace Revolution 2000
()
Date: May 5, 2012 03:29
I do think it is the stadiums that are the main reason. The whole stadium rock thing kind of showed up gradually, so for us there wasn't one abrupt change. But for the bands there had to be quite an adjustment. (The delay in the sound carrying alone). In 78 and 81 they were doing stadiums already - yet Jagger was still the old Jagger to me.
So it is intersting to note that once they really mastered the technology: the video screens, the ramps, the PAs, the flames etc. that it was then Jagger redid his whole stage persona. I think he knows that in a stadiu7m it is all about exageration, and almost grotesque mimicry.
Lots of his act in 69 and 72 was based on subtle movements. It sounds silly to call Jagger with the belt 'subtle' but often Jagger in 72 would just stand at the mike. He could stand at the mike like no one else. But that is lost in a stadium.
So it is intersting to note that once they really mastered the technology: the video screens, the ramps, the PAs, the flames etc. that it was then Jagger redid his whole stage persona. I think he knows that in a stadiu7m it is all about exageration, and almost grotesque mimicry.
Lots of his act in 69 and 72 was based on subtle movements. It sounds silly to call Jagger with the belt 'subtle' but often Jagger in 72 would just stand at the mike. He could stand at the mike like no one else. But that is lost in a stadium.
Re: Jagger's Dancing?
Posted by:
whitem8
()
Date: May 5, 2012 14:25
Vocally I think Jagger still puts out well for his age. His dancing though seems far to premeditated and scripted. Too many dancing "lessons" and choreograph. 78 he was fantastic, punked out and a touch of English dandy.
Re: Jagger's Dancing?
Posted by:
68to72
()
Date: May 5, 2012 14:30
Like this?
Great song, but some of Jaggers moves (particularly during the intro) are really dodgy....
Keith Richards black eye is pretty cool though!
"I'm all sixes and sevens and nines"
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-05-05 14:45 by 68to72.
Great song, but some of Jaggers moves (particularly during the intro) are really dodgy....
Keith Richards black eye is pretty cool though!
"I'm all sixes and sevens and nines"
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-05-05 14:45 by 68to72.
Re: Jagger's Dancing?
Posted by:
crumbling_mice
()
Date: May 5, 2012 15:33
Quote
Palace Revolution 2000
I do think it is the stadiums that are the main reason. The whole stadium rock thing kind of showed up gradually, so for us there wasn't one abrupt change. But for the bands there had to be quite an adjustment. (The delay in the sound carrying alone). In 78 and 81 they were doing stadiums already - yet Jagger was still the old Jagger to me.
So it is intersting to note that once they really mastered the technology: the video screens, the ramps, the PAs, the flames etc. that it was then Jagger redid his whole stage persona. I think he knows that in a stadiu7m it is all about exageration, and almost grotesque mimicry.
Lots of his act in 69 and 72 was based on subtle movements. It sounds silly to call Jagger with the belt 'subtle' but often Jagger in 72 would just stand at the mike. He could stand at the mike like no one else. But that is lost in a stadium.
I think you've hit the nail on the head...the size of the stadiums would necessitate more exaggeration, otherwise those at the back wouldn't see him doing anything other than on the screens which often seem to be slightly out of synch with the sound if you are way back in the stadium. It's a shame because when he moved like he did 68 - 75 he was something else to behold.
'some things, well, I can't refuse'
Re: Jagger's Dancing?
Posted by:
crumbling_mice
()
Date: May 5, 2012 15:35
Quote
memphiscats
Well, that's a bit harsh, Title5Take1 - It's not tendentious to state something that's NOT controversial - like Mick was an excellent dancer.Quote
crumbling_mice
Quote
Title5Take1
First off, I can't stand "leading the witness" opening posts on threads with moron comments like "I'm sure we all agree..." Pompous and tendentious.
Anyway, I saw the Stones on their last tour at their last Vegas show—that was a BRILLIANT concert—and more than once I thought, "If I didn't know who that was and didn't have a video screen showing me his close-up age, I'd maybe think he was a 14 year old gymnast, he's so G*d damned limber." His dancing was great on the last tour (to my tastes, anyway).
Oh dear
BTW, you know what I can't stand? When people use a pretentious, $20-dollar word when there are a dozen others that cut to the chase faster, better, and cheaper.
Wonderful
'some things, well, I can't refuse'
Re: Jagger's Dancing?
Posted by:
Chris Fountain
()
Date: May 5, 2012 15:44
Max-
This is not a good way to start a Saturday! BTW Marlins have won 4 straight games by one run!!
This is not a good way to start a Saturday! BTW Marlins have won 4 straight games by one run!!
Re: Jagger's Dancing?
Posted by:
treaclefingers
()
Date: May 5, 2012 17:17
Quote
memphiscats
Well, that's a bit harsh, Title5Take1 - It's not tendentious to state something that's NOT controversial - like Mick was an excellent dancer.Quote
crumbling_mice
Quote
Title5Take1
First off, I can't stand "leading the witness" opening posts on threads with moron comments like "I'm sure we all agree..." Pompous and tendentious.
Anyway, I saw the Stones on their last tour at their last Vegas show—that was a BRILLIANT concert—and more than once I thought, "If I didn't know who that was and didn't have a video screen showing me his close-up age, I'd maybe think he was a 14 year old gymnast, he's so G*d damned limber." His dancing was great on the last tour (to my tastes, anyway).
Oh dear
BTW, you know what I can't stand? When people use a pretentious, $20-dollar word when there are a dozen others that cut to the chase faster, better, and cheaper.
$20-dollar a word isn't bad actually. I've certainly paid up to $80 a word.
Re: I think I can dance
Posted by:
memphiscats
()
Date: May 5, 2012 18:32
Ha- Max, if I get this song stuck in my head now, I'll be cursing you all day!Quote
Max'sKansasCity
Hey - weird thing just happened. I was playing the video above - Start Me Up - and then clicked on the Leo Sayer's and both played. The Stones music cut in and out of "I think I can dance" it actually sounded pretty interesting.
LOL - trying to find an $80 word but I'm broke!
Re: I think I can dance
Posted by:
Max'sKansasCity
()
Date: May 5, 2012 18:43
No matter how some pertinacious people may feel about , Jaggers dancing is not superfluous
I think I can dance... I think I can dance....
I am a man of the road... a hobo name.... I dont seek entetainment ...
just poultry and game.... I think I can dance... I think I can dance....
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2012-05-05 18:45 by Max'sKansasCity.
I think I can dance... I think I can dance....
I am a man of the road... a hobo name.... I dont seek entetainment ...
just poultry and game.... I think I can dance... I think I can dance....
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2012-05-05 18:45 by Max'sKansasCity.
Re: I think I can dance
Posted by:
memphiscats
()
Date: May 5, 2012 19:00
You slay me!
But seriously - Mick's dancing is GREAT but I agree - the large arenas are detrimental to his finesse on the stage.
But seriously - Mick's dancing is GREAT but I agree - the large arenas are detrimental to his finesse on the stage.
Re: Jagger's Dancing?
Posted by:
mickschix
()
Date: May 6, 2012 02:05
No one moves like Jagger, and I do admit to loving his moves in 1972, the chicken on acid, the pirouettes, the leaps and strutting...1975 he incorporated some karate moves, very fluid, cat-like, more stalking of the stage....by 1978 it was punk-city...Mick has changed it up from tour to tour, I believe , so that HE doesn't get bored! It's like wearing the same dress to a ball, you just don't do it, you change it!!
MICK JAGGER STILL LOOKS COOL
Posted by:
Rolling Hansie
()
Date: May 6, 2012 02:18
Quote
mickschix
No one moves like Jagger
Case closed
Keep On Rolling
Re: Jagger's Dancing?
Posted by:
doubledoor
()
Date: May 6, 2012 07:25
He certainly comes close to the edge of embarrassing, but somehow still pulls it off. He is Mick Jagger. Do not try to imitate without looking foolish. You will fail, he doesn't.
Re: Jagger's Dancing?
Posted by:
slew
()
Date: May 6, 2012 08:14
Everytime I've seen the Stones I can't help but watch Mick he is always entertaining and I'm always amazed at his energy even though the shows are choreographed he is still one hell of a performer.
Re: Jagger's Dancing?
Posted by:
angee
()
Date: May 6, 2012 08:24
Quote
doubledoor
He certainly comes close to the edge of embarrassing, but somehow still pulls it off. He is Mick Jagger. Do not try to imitate without looking foolish. You will fail, he doesn't.
Yeah, it's like Keith says about himself, "Don't try this at home."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Love is strong..."
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