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Am I really the only one whom believes Jagger told the band in December 2011 that he would not play or tour with them? Do you really believe Jagger would play on SNL for a live audience of millions with Richards in his current state?

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Possibly. That is not what Mick told the band in December, 2011. Keith was very pleased with the outcome of that meeting.

Richards was pleased to the same extent as when he discussed with the Times Jagger's penis? Or the same as when he counted the proceeds from his book?
I do not believe that Mick ever will be on one stage with Richards. not in 2012 not in 2013 - no matter what he said to Richards at the meeting

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Am I really the only one whom believes Jagger told the band in December 2011 that he would not play or tour with them? Do you really believe Jagger would play on SNL for a live audience of millions with Richards in his current state?

Mathijs

Possibly. That is not what Mick told the band in December, 2011. Keith was very pleased with the outcome of that meeting.

Richards was pleased to the same extent as when he discussed with the Times Jagger's penis? Or the same as when he counted the proceeds from his book?
I do not believe that Mick ever will be on one stage with Richards. not in 2012 not in 2013 - no matter what he said to Richards at the meeting

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the stones suck with this kind of stuff, a perfect opportunity right in their face and they screw it up, freaking disgrace that they are not doing this

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Whoa there folks. This is a friggin TV show not an evening at the Garden. Why get so vested in Keith's participation or ability to do so? Let Mick have his fun... the more Stones that are rolling is a good indicator that the whole band of 'em may rock soon. This isn't a negative move for Mick, it should be good entertainment. lighten up.

I'm believing all the info coming out of Ney York City about the fact that they want to, can and will be playing toghether for us in the near future when they are ready. It ain't over Mathijs, the fat lady hasn't even put on her wardrobe yet.. peace

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Am I really the only one whom believes Jagger told the band in December 2011 that he would not play or tour with them? Do you really believe Jagger would play on SNL for a live audience of millions with Richards in his current state?

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Possibly. That is not what Mick told the band in December, 2011. Keith was very pleased with the outcome of that meeting.

Richards was pleased to the same extent as when he discussed with the Times Jagger's penis? Or the same as when he counted the proceeds from his book?
I do not believe that Mick ever will be on one stage with Richards. not in 2012 not in 2013 - no matter what he said to Richards at the meeting

Oh Lordy, not the PENIS again! PM, you are obsessed.

In a longterm relationship, it's going to take a lot more than insults, drugs, jail, divorce, babies with 200 different women, rumours, arguments, shameful behaviour, etc. to break up what brought these people together in the first place - THE MUSIC!

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Am I really the only one whom believes Jagger told the band in December 2011 that he would not play or tour with them? Do you really believe Jagger would play on SNL for a live audience of millions with Richards in his current state?

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So then, all the first hand accounts that have leaked through from people actually AT the rehearsals are all involved in some kind of conspiracy?

It's weird to think about their normal crew not there but what exactly couldn't the crew at the rehearsal space not be able to handle that they couldn't do it themselves? They use the amps that are at the rehearsal space...Keith/Ronnie bring in their guitars or also use the axes that are available to them. Don Was comes along and fills in on the bass on a couple blues tunes. Keith may not know the songs like the back of his hand but it's not exaclty rocket science to play along to "Tallahassie Lassie" or who knows whatever song they played.

One of the main reasons for these "rehearsals" is the filming of the documentary, just like it was in December(I know that Gazza's source told they didn't film, but Rolling Stone said the opposite and I believe them more)

Well regardless if they filmed it or not...they DID meet. Mathijs is still stuck on the fact that they never met and this is some kind of master conspiracy. I just don't see what value they have in all coming together and lying. For what benefit? For the fan boys on this forum? What good has it done to say they came together to rehearse? Nothing. It only fueled endless speculation--that Mick does NOT want put on him. If I recall correctly, it was RS magazine that got the scoop directly from Keith that they were meeting in London to jam. No where else was it mentioned. Then Mick later mentioned how it went. To suggest that all this was false and never happened...I just don't see the point in any of them wasting their time in doing so....

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Am I really the only one whom believes Jagger told the band in December 2011 that he would not play or tour with them? Do you really believe Jagger would play on SNL for a live audience of millions with Richards in his current state?

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What "state" would that be? And if Jagger told Richards this why were they rehearsing in New York?

The state of Richards we've seen during the Sumlin and Chuck Berry gig, which is the state of somebody who has retired from being a working musician.

To date there is no proof they ever had a serious session in either London or New York. Remember: none of the crew was present. Did they set-up their equipment by themselves, something they haven't done since '65? Did they have a session with a totally retired Keith Richards without Chuck Leavell and Darryl Jones? Reports had Jagger stating they played music of the new Some Girls reissue -do you really think Richards would remember or is able to play any of the songs on this reissue version?

I am sorry, I just don't buy it. To me it sounds like the Stones have called it quits, but still want to cash on the 50 anniversary with all the merchandise, google music and book deals. So they pretend to still be an active band, that's my view on it.

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So then, all the first hand accounts that have leaked through from people actually AT the rehearsals are all involved in some kind of conspiracy?

It's weird to think about their normal crew not there but what exactly couldn't the crew at the rehearsal space not be able to handle that they couldn't do it themselves? They use the amps that are at the rehearsal space...Keith/Ronnie bring in their guitars or also use the axes that are available to them. Don Was comes along and fills in on the bass on a couple blues tunes. Keith may not know the songs like the back of his hand but it's not exaclty rocket science to play along to "Tallahassie Lassie" or who knows whatever song they played.

One of the main reasons for these "rehearsals" is the filming of the documentary, just like it was in December(I know that Gazza's source told they didn't film, but Rolling Stone said the opposite and I believe them more)

Well regardless if they filmed it or not...they DID meet. Mathijs is still stuck on the fact that they never met and this is some kind of master conspiracy. I just don't see what value they have in all coming together and lying. For what benefit? For the fan boys on this forum? What good has it done to say they came together to rehearse? Nothing. It only fueled endless speculation--that Mick does NOT want put on him. If I recall correctly, it was RS magazine that got the scoop directly from Keith that they were meeting in London to jam. No where else was it mentioned. Then Mick later mentioned how it went. To suggest that all this was false and never happened...I just don't see the point in any of them wasting their time in doing so....

I never said they didn't meet. Sure they met in December in London, there's sufficient proof of that. But to my mind there was no session at all for the reasons I have given. The crew wasn't there as far as I know, and without them they really can't play properly. No one of the backing band was there. Reportedly, Jagger came the third day and didn't stay too long. So what do we have -Watts has stated various times he would not go on a tour anymore, only maybe some special gigs. Richards whom has proven he is a totally retired guitarist and musician, and the vaults have opened, something Jagger wasn't keen on as long the band was still touring.

To my mind, there's two possibilities: Jagger told the band he calls it quits, but wants to cash in, or they decided to do gigs (not a tour) in 2013, and that everybody has four months to get in shape, which unfortunately I do not see happening with Richards.

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So then, all the first hand accounts that have leaked through from people actually AT the rehearsals are all involved in some kind of conspiracy?

It's weird to think about their normal crew not there but what exactly couldn't the crew at the rehearsal space not be able to handle that they couldn't do it themselves? They use the amps that are at the rehearsal space...Keith/Ronnie bring in their guitars or also use the axes that are available to them. Don Was comes along and fills in on the bass on a couple blues tunes. Keith may not know the songs like the back of his hand but it's not exaclty rocket science to play along to "Tallahassie Lassie" or who knows whatever song they played.

One of the main reasons for these "rehearsals" is the filming of the documentary, just like it was in December(I know that Gazza's source told they didn't film, but Rolling Stone said the opposite and I believe them more)

Well regardless if they filmed it or not...they DID meet. Mathijs is still stuck on the fact that they never met and this is some kind of master conspiracy. I just don't see what value they have in all coming together and lying. For what benefit? For the fan boys on this forum? What good has it done to say they came together to rehearse? Nothing. It only fueled endless speculation--that Mick does NOT want put on him. If I recall correctly, it was RS magazine that got the scoop directly from Keith that they were meeting in London to jam. No where else was it mentioned. Then Mick later mentioned how it went. To suggest that all this was false and never happened...I just don't see the point in any of them wasting their time in doing so....

I never said they didn't meet. Sure they met in December in London, there's sufficient proof of that. But to my mind there was no session at all for the reasons I have given. The crew wasn't there as far as I know, and without them they really can't play properly. No one of the backing band was there. Reportedly, Jagger came the third day and didn't stay too long. So what do we have -Watts has stated various times he would not go on a tour anymore, only maybe some special gigs. Richards whom has proven he is a totally retired guitarist and musician, and the vaults have opened, something Jagger wasn't keen on as long the band was still touring.

To my mind, there's two possibilities: Jagger told the band he calls it quits, but wants to cash in, or they decided to do gigs (not a tour) in 2013, and that everybody has four months to get in shape, which unfortunately I do not see happening with Richards.

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So them Richards to Rolling Stone that they played some blues with Bill Wyman and Mick joined on day three is just a vast conspiracy? Why would they bother?

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So them Richards to Rolling Stone that they played some blues with Bill Wyman and Mick joined on day three is just a vast conspiracy? Why would they bother?

To cash in on the anniversary products, misleading the fans to believe that they are still an active band?

No, that's too far out for me...

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So them Richards to Rolling Stone that they played some blues with Bill Wyman and Mick joined on day three is just a vast conspiracy? Why would they bother?

To cash in on the anniversary products, misleading the fans to believe that they are still an active band?

No, that's too far out for me...

Not so much to cash in, but rather a desire to save a face and somehow to mark this mandatory anniversary - they really can not just wave it away as a non-existent. In their case the only way to do it is the orchestrated reality of the documentary, which gives us the opportunity to see them all together playing music for the last time.
Very elegant solution for someone who does not want to appear in public together, but on the other side has to do so

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So them Richards to Rolling Stone that they played some blues with Bill Wyman and Mick joined on day three is just a vast conspiracy? Why would they bother?

To cash in on the anniversary products, misleading the fans to believe that they are still an active band?

No, that's too far out for me...

Not so much to cash in, but rather a desire to save a face and somehow to mark this mandatory anniversary - they really can not just wave it away as a non-existent. In their case the only way to do it is the orchestrated reality of the documentary, which gives us the opportunity to see them all together playing music for the last time.
Very elegant solution for someone who does not want to appear in public together, but on the other side has to do so

Make sure you're present on the forum when they do, proudmary. I promise I will not show any gloating

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So them Richards to Rolling Stone that they played some blues with Bill Wyman and Mick joined on day three is just a vast conspiracy? Why would they bother?

To cash in on the anniversary products, misleading the fans to believe that they are still an active band?

No, that's too far out for me...

Not so much to cash in, but rather a desire to save a face and somehow to mark this mandatory anniversary - they really can not just wave it away as a non-existent. In their case the only way to do it is the orchestrated reality of the documentary, which gives us the opportunity to see them all together playing music for the last time.
Very elegant solution for someone who does not want to appear in public together, but on the other side has to do so

Make sure you're present on the forum when they do, proudmary. I promise I will not show any gloating

I don't doubt it for a minute. You're always a gentleman
But on a serious note - do you still think it would be that big grand Stones event as Mick liked it once upon a time?

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I have now read all your comments on the last few pages. Thank you.
The numbing effect has allowed me to successfully re-unite with my mind...

It is no longer a split decision

100% the Stones do the third song and announce the tour.

Thus the only revision to my forecast necessary at this time is that Jeff Beck
will not get to do his own Stones song. Instead he will appear with Foo Fighters
when they do their Stones song.

Rumors are strong that Arcade Fire will do "The Last Time" but I have no
means to confirm that other than wishful thinking...

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I think there is some real validity to the idea that the jam in London with Bill was a way to pad the DVD and commemorate the anniversary whenever it actually is. I find it strange that a band which has sold patches, pins and tee shirts with the logo stating 1962 is now claiming 1963 as their year.

Regardless, we may be seeing the infighting coming to a head within the Stones and there fan base.

I still hold out some chance that the Stones will play on SNL.
However, it does not look good.

Perhaps it always was a possibility but Richards has decided against it.

All of them have kept a low profile in NY and on the subject until Richards spoke. Why meet in NY, why rehearse and what for if you're not playing together soon?

They all have their solo projects at the moment and their was no need to get together and play unless Keith, Ronnie, Charlie and Mick were going to play soon. Otherwise this is just an exercise in futility.

Maybe they will all be there but not as the Rolling Stones. Mick Joined Ronnie in London years ago for a couple of songs at a show. Ronnie and Mick Taylor have played a few times individually, etc.

Given how much Richards touted the Dec. London jam before and after it happened one would think he would be keen to keep some mystery going about SNL if her were to play. But no. He said it was Mick's show on his own.

Some will say it could be interesting to see what happens. I think it is just sad that two guys who openly admit that the Stones are bigger than both of them individually cannot get it together and just announce something or at least acknowledge that they will commemorate the date but don't want to tour.

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For me it's all over except for guessing what songs will be played.

I think Mick and Jeff Beck do the same exact song they did for the President

I think Arcade Fire will do a ballad with Mick, something slow and containing "signature" Mick lyrics, something like "Ruby Tuesday" or "Wild Horses" or perhaps "The Last Time" (the Arcade Fire have covereed it in concert before). I could maybe see Arcade Fire doing "Paint It Black" or something kinda exotic/psychedelic like that, maybe. If Mick is also going to perform in skits on the show, then the first song cannot have him working up too much of a sweat, or risking him blowing out his voice. So one will be a ballad, for sure.

Foo Fighters will do a straight up rocker to close out the show, something upbeat and fast like Jumping Jack Flash, maybe with Jeff Beck on that...can't really see them doing anything else


The songs will have to be stuff that is either very easy to do or that can be learned by the bands with very minimal rehearsal. No question in my mind that the Foo Fighers already secretly know how to play probably every famous Stones song from the classic years...the choice of Arcade Fire sort of puzzles me.

But if you think of it, "The Last Time" and "Jumping Jack Flash" would be the two selections most likely to piss off Keith, the lyrics of "the Last Time" (I told you once, I told you twice" etc) and of course, "Flash" being Keith's signature riff that he loves so much. So that's why I vote for them as likely contenders.

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Over at Shidoobee it was reported that Arcade Fire did play 'The Last Time' somewhere, some place, whenever. So, I suppose we know that AF can at least play that tune.

Frankly, on SNL I hope they do NOT play it.

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Over at Shidoobee it was reported that Arcade Fire did play 'The Last Time' somewhere, some place, whenever. So, I suppose we know that AF can at least play that tune.

Frankly, on SNL I hope they do NOT play it.

You have to admit though, if its a tour announcement show, which it is,
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Arcade Fire doing The Last Time would be a nice opener. Mick can join in to Abraham's Daughter and close with Memo From Turner. FF same procedure. And after this Miss You will tune in ...
But I'm dreaming too much ...
How many minutes are SNL ...?