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I'm with you, sistah
I'm pretty sure it was in the Greenfield book too, I re-read it recently. Seems Rose Taylor was a source for the book and perhaps she had an ax to grind, as they say.
Sadly, they confused Charlie with Bill in the photo.
thanks for that lead, dcba. no doubt its important. apparently rimmy's poem
of the same name was written as he became a smoker of opium.
i have been reading the reviews at amazon of greenfield's book. more than
90% agree with y'all. however, i'll bet if i read it, this is the exception
that i will agree with:
"Are we reading from the same sheet music? Reviews overwhelmingly bad.
Maybe the nay-sayers missed the point. I believe Greenfield was out to
convey the atmosphere surrounding the creation of Exile On Main Street,
universally acclaimed as the Stones finest album. You'd assume that any
group effort dubbed "finest" resulted from model cooperation. But the usual
rules do not apply. Exile came out DESPITE hellish personality conflicts,
pettiness and mean-spiritedness. It's a wonder Exile came out at all, let
alone become recognized as a pinnacle of achievement. There's a reason the
author didn't tidy up the ugliness. I think he was trying to present an
honest account."
Yes, without even reading it, yet, I can sense that this guy is right and
y'all are wrong. Greenfield just burst your bubble, your illusion, that's all.
I'll let you know if I agree with me after I read it, revvy.
but this is just not true. Read June Shelly book( Even When It Was Bad It Was Good) - she had no interest in distorting the picture and she described what she saw.
you will get very different "atmosphere surrounding the creation of Exile" and relationship between Mick and Keith
I'm glad you agree with me. Yes, Ezra knows how to channel his inner Jagger
And Mick looked very young in 71
"Exile came out DESPITE hellish personality conflicts,
pettiness and mean-spiritedness. It's a wonder Exile came out at all, let
alone become recognized as a pinnacle of achievement. There's a reason the
author didn't tidy up the ugliness. I think he was trying to present an
honest account."
I mean this is not a true(honest) picture but tabloid style sensationalism
It is understandable. This book is damn expensive but there is not much about the Stones as expected (at this price)
She doesn't get it right or wrong 'couse she does not judge them and doesn't take sides. She is outside of this game. She simply describes the events - and the reader is free to have her/his opinion about their doings. But if you try to choose what to buy - then, of course, Greenfield's. It is cheaper and the whole book is about the Stones. But I remember that I was disappointed with it - as if you read an endless article in the Sun
Greenfield's 'STP ('Stones Touring Party') is a very good read about the '72 tour
Naah,Revvy. It's just not a good book. More like another cheap cash-in on Exile and Greenfields Nellcote adventures. After his great first Stones book this one was quite disappointing.But could still make for a good film . .
It's not even a question of what is right and what is wrong, but rather how A Season In Hell reads like it was written by a 12 year old trying to write somthing in over dramatic fashion.
but that's how i write!
but i really like tabloid trash!
anyway, it only cost me $7 including shipping for a mint first edition
hardback. i'm sure it will do me fine at the jersey shore this summer.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-04-24 04:33 by superrevvy.
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Re: "A Season in Hell" to be made into Hollywood drama!
Posted by:
swiss
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Date: April 23, 2012 02:52
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with sssoul
[lighting the incense of Please Never Let This Crap Become a Movie]
I'm with you, sistah
Re: "A Season in Hell" to be made into Hollywood drama!
Posted by:
theanchorman
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Date: April 23, 2012 03:36
I always thought Gary Oldham in The Book of Eli was a dead ringer for Keith in the 90's
Re: "A Season in Hell" to be made into Hollywood drama!
Posted by:
71Tele
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Date: April 23, 2012 04:28
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slakka
The notes from Mick T on the floor are definitely from messes Wymans book and must be honored as true. Reading that always hurts me terribly!
Greenfield wasn’t at Nelcote and pieced his book together from secondhand accounts so it pales in comparison to 72 STP a tour he was lucky enough to be a part of.
I'm pretty sure it was in the Greenfield book too, I re-read it recently. Seems Rose Taylor was a source for the book and perhaps she had an ax to grind, as they say.
Re: "A Season in Hell" to be made into Hollywood drama!
Posted by:
stonesrule
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Date: April 23, 2012 05:35
Greenfield is a good writer. Don't know how he messed up so badly wtih "A Season in Hell." He did a fine job with his recent book on Ertegun which has not sold many copies in this "I'd rather go online than read books" new world.
Re: "A Season in Hell" to be made into Hollywood drama!
Posted by:
Silver Dagger
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Date: April 23, 2012 09:42
Re: "A Season in Hell" to be made into Hollywood drama!
Posted by:
Bliss
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Date: April 23, 2012 10:09
Sadly, they confused Charlie with Bill in the photo.
Re: "A Season in Hell" to be made into Hollywood drama!
Posted by:
superrevvy
()
Date: April 23, 2012 17:33
Quote
dcba
To me ""A Season in Hell" = Arthur Rimbaud right?
thanks for that lead, dcba. no doubt its important. apparently rimmy's poem
of the same name was written as he became a smoker of opium.
i have been reading the reviews at amazon of greenfield's book. more than
90% agree with y'all. however, i'll bet if i read it, this is the exception
that i will agree with:
"Are we reading from the same sheet music? Reviews overwhelmingly bad.
Maybe the nay-sayers missed the point. I believe Greenfield was out to
convey the atmosphere surrounding the creation of Exile On Main Street,
universally acclaimed as the Stones finest album. You'd assume that any
group effort dubbed "finest" resulted from model cooperation. But the usual
rules do not apply. Exile came out DESPITE hellish personality conflicts,
pettiness and mean-spiritedness. It's a wonder Exile came out at all, let
alone become recognized as a pinnacle of achievement. There's a reason the
author didn't tidy up the ugliness. I think he was trying to present an
honest account."
Yes, without even reading it, yet, I can sense that this guy is right and
y'all are wrong. Greenfield just burst your bubble, your illusion, that's all.
I'll let you know if I agree with me after I read it, revvy.
Re: "A Season in Hell" to be made into Hollywood drama!
Posted by:
proudmary
()
Date: April 23, 2012 17:44
Quote
superrevvy
Quote
dcba
To me ""A Season in Hell" = Arthur Rimbaud right?
thanks for that lead, dcba. no doubt its important. apparently rimmy's poem
of the same name was written as he became a smoker of opium.
i have been reading the reviews at amazon of greenfield's book. more than
90% agree with y'all. however, i'll bet if i read it, this is the exception
that i will agree with:
"Are we reading from the same sheet music? Reviews overwhelmingly bad.
Maybe the nay-sayers missed the point. I believe Greenfield was out to
convey the atmosphere surrounding the creation of Exile On Main Street,
universally acclaimed as the Stones finest album. You'd assume that any
group effort dubbed "finest" resulted from model cooperation. But the usual
rules do not apply. Exile came out DESPITE hellish personality conflicts,
pettiness and mean-spiritedness. It's a wonder Exile came out at all, let
alone become recognized as a pinnacle of achievement. There's a reason the
author didn't tidy up the ugliness. I think he was trying to present an
honest account."
Yes, without even reading it, yet, I can sense that this guy is right and
y'all are wrong. Greenfield just burst your bubble, your illusion, that's all.
I'll let you know if I agree with me after I read it, revvy.
but this is just not true. Read June Shelly book( Even When It Was Bad It Was Good) - she had no interest in distorting the picture and she described what she saw.
you will get very different "atmosphere surrounding the creation of Exile" and relationship between Mick and Keith
Re: "A Season in Hell" to be made into Hollywood drama!
Posted by:
superrevvy
()
Date: April 23, 2012 17:48
proudmary, i don't understand your comment. what specifically is not true?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-04-23 17:50 by superrevvy.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-04-23 17:50 by superrevvy.
Re: "A Season in Hell" to be made into Hollywood drama!
Posted by:
proudmary
()
Date: April 23, 2012 17:59
Quote
TeddyB1018
Ezra Miller is quite good. Young for this film but a really good idea to play Mick.
I'm glad you agree with me. Yes, Ezra knows how to channel his inner Jagger
And Mick looked very young in 71
Re: "A Season in Hell" to be made into Hollywood drama!
Posted by:
superrevvy
()
Date: April 23, 2012 18:02
also, produmary, june shelly's book seems remarkably uncommented upon
on stones fan sites. please comment further on it.
on stones fan sites. please comment further on it.
Re: "A Season in Hell" to be made into Hollywood drama!
Posted by:
proudmary
()
Date: April 23, 2012 18:03
Quote
superrevvy
proudmary, i don't understand your comment. what specifically is not true?
"Exile came out DESPITE hellish personality conflicts,
pettiness and mean-spiritedness. It's a wonder Exile came out at all, let
alone become recognized as a pinnacle of achievement. There's a reason the
author didn't tidy up the ugliness. I think he was trying to present an
honest account."
I mean this is not a true(honest) picture but tabloid style sensationalism
Re: "A Season in Hell" to be made into Hollywood drama!
Posted by:
superrevvy
()
Date: April 23, 2012 18:09
well, produmary, then encapsulate please your understanding of mick and
keith's relationship at nellcote. i'm trying to choose right now between
shelley's and greenfield's books, and you're not really helping. yet.
back up what you're saying please. how does shelley get it right, and
greenfield get it wrong?
keith's relationship at nellcote. i'm trying to choose right now between
shelley's and greenfield's books, and you're not really helping. yet.
back up what you're saying please. how does shelley get it right, and
greenfield get it wrong?
Re: "A Season in Hell" to be made into Hollywood drama!
Posted by:
proudmary
()
Date: April 23, 2012 18:12
Quote
superrevvy
also, produmary, june shelly's book seems remarkably uncommented upon
on stones fan sites. please comment further on it.
It is understandable. This book is damn expensive but there is not much about the Stones as expected (at this price)
Re: "A Season in Hell" to be made into Hollywood drama!
Posted by:
superrevvy
()
Date: April 23, 2012 18:16
ok then, based on your recommendation of shelley, i'll go with greenfield.
Re: "A Season in Hell" to be made into Hollywood drama!
Posted by:
proudmary
()
Date: April 23, 2012 18:22
Quote
superrevvy
well, produmary, then encapsulate please your understanding of mick and
keith's relationship at nellcote. i'm trying to choose right now between
shelley's and greenfield's books, and you're not really helping. yet.
back up what you're saying please. how does shelley get it right, and
greenfield get it wrong?
She doesn't get it right or wrong 'couse she does not judge them and doesn't take sides. She is outside of this game. She simply describes the events - and the reader is free to have her/his opinion about their doings. But if you try to choose what to buy - then, of course, Greenfield's. It is cheaper and the whole book is about the Stones. But I remember that I was disappointed with it - as if you read an endless article in the Sun
Re: "A Season in Hell" to be made into Hollywood drama!
Posted by:
proudmary
()
Date: April 23, 2012 19:35
Rolling Stones Exile on Main Street book to become Virgin feature film
[www.guardian.co.uk]
[www.guardian.co.uk]
Richard Branson Buys Rolling Stones Book For Film Drama
Posted by:
zeus
()
Date: April 23, 2012 19:29
Re: Richard Branson Buys Rolling Stones Book For Film Drama
Posted by:
Koen
()
Date: April 23, 2012 19:58
Re: "A Season in Hell" to be made into Hollywood drama!
Posted by:
pinksuit
()
Date: April 23, 2012 23:00
The book itself is a ride of a night with a bottle of whiskey and listening to Stones music. As a movie it doesn't make sense imho. Rockstar movies always lack the drama and complexity of a good story. It's mostly always better as documentary or "rockumentary".
I'd rather go with Bill German's book. Have a good writer and turn that into a story with a girl etc. There you could develop the dramatic steps necessary for a good movie.
My 2 cents
I'd rather go with Bill German's book. Have a good writer and turn that into a story with a girl etc. There you could develop the dramatic steps necessary for a good movie.
My 2 cents
Re: "A Season in Hell" to be made into Hollywood drama!
Posted by:
duke richardson
()
Date: April 23, 2012 23:01
Quote
stonesrule
Greenfield is a good writer. Don't know how he messed up so badly wtih "A Season in Hell." He did a fine job with his recent book on Ertegun which has not sold many copies in this "I'd rather go online than read books" new world.
Greenfield's 'STP ('Stones Touring Party') is a very good read about the '72 tour
Re: "A Season in Hell" to be made into Hollywood drama!
Posted by:
superrevvy
()
Date: April 24, 2012 02:23
[popwatch.ew.com]
Both superstars were only about 28 when Exile came together, so hold your
Johnny Depp-as-Keith campaign. I envision James Franco in the role of the
guitarist, with Jonathan Rhys Meyers — he of the hooded eyelids and pouty
lips — as frontman Mick. They’re both a tad older than the Stones were at the
time, but not significantly.
Both superstars were only about 28 when Exile came together, so hold your
Johnny Depp-as-Keith campaign. I envision James Franco in the role of the
guitarist, with Jonathan Rhys Meyers — he of the hooded eyelids and pouty
lips — as frontman Mick. They’re both a tad older than the Stones were at the
time, but not significantly.
Re: "A Season in Hell" to be made into Hollywood drama!
Posted by:
CousinC
()
Date: April 24, 2012 03:07
Quote
superrevvy
Quote
dcba
To me ""A Season in Hell" = Arthur Rimbaud right?
thanks for that lead, dcba. no doubt its important. apparently rimmy's poem
of the same name was written as he became a smoker of opium.
i have been reading the reviews at amazon of greenfield's book. more than
90% agree with y'all. however, i'll bet if i read it, this is the exception
that i will agree with:
"Are we reading from the same sheet music? Reviews overwhelmingly bad.
Maybe the nay-sayers missed the point. I believe Greenfield was out to
convey the atmosphere surrounding the creation of Exile On Main Street,
universally acclaimed as the Stones finest album. You'd assume that any
group effort dubbed "finest" resulted from model cooperation. But the usual
rules do not apply. Exile came out DESPITE hellish personality conflicts,
pettiness and mean-spiritedness. It's a wonder Exile came out at all, let
alone become recognized as a pinnacle of achievement. There's a reason the
author didn't tidy up the ugliness. I think he was trying to present an
honest account."
Yes, without even reading it, yet, I can sense that this guy is right and
y'all are wrong. Greenfield just burst your bubble, your illusion, that's all.
I'll let you know if I agree with me after I read it, revvy.
Naah,Revvy. It's just not a good book. More like another cheap cash-in on Exile and Greenfields Nellcote adventures. After his great first Stones book this one was quite disappointing.But could still make for a good film . .
Re: "A Season in Hell" to be made into Hollywood drama!
Posted by:
drummer_dude
()
Date: April 24, 2012 03:22
Remember the "Eddie and the Cruisers" movie the lost album was called A Season In Hell.. Eddie the character had disappeared and the lost album was never put together. Anyone remember that movie? Just thought I'd mention this.
drummer_dude
drummer_dude
Re: "A Season in Hell" to be made into Hollywood drama!
Posted by:
theanchorman
()
Date: April 24, 2012 03:38
Quote
superrevvy
well, produmary, then encapsulate please your understanding of mick and
keith's relationship at nellcote. i'm trying to choose right now between
shelley's and greenfield's books, and you're not really helping. yet.
back up what you're saying please. how does shelley get it right, and
greenfield get it wrong?
It's not even a question of what is right and what is wrong, but rather how A Season In Hell reads like it was written by a 12 year old trying to write somthing in over dramatic fashion.
Re: "A Season in Hell" to be made into Hollywood drama!
Posted by:
superrevvy
()
Date: April 24, 2012 04:12
Quote
theanchorman
It's not even a question of what is right and what is wrong, but rather how A
Season In Hell reads like it was written by a 12 year old trying to write
somthing in over dramatic fashion.
but that's how i write!
Quote
CousinC
Naah,Revvy. It's just not a good book. More like another cheap cash-in on
Exile and Greenfields Nellcote adventures. After his great first Stones book
this one was quite disappointing.But could still make for a good film . .
but i really like tabloid trash!
anyway, it only cost me $7 including shipping for a mint first edition
hardback. i'm sure it will do me fine at the jersey shore this summer.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-04-24 04:33 by superrevvy.
Re: "A Season in Hell" to be made into Hollywood drama!
Posted by:
rogue
()
Date: April 24, 2012 12:54
They should make this in anime from Japan. The trippy drug scenes could be full of rainbows and unicorns...
Then when they add the music coming from the basement some no name actor won't have to act stoned and get his career ruined by the critics. Besides it'll be a lot easier to replicate those seventies fashions and colors. I just hope they don't make the Stones Mobile Recording unit truck look like Scooby Doos Mystery Van.
Then when they add the music coming from the basement some no name actor won't have to act stoned and get his career ruined by the critics. Besides it'll be a lot easier to replicate those seventies fashions and colors. I just hope they don't make the Stones Mobile Recording unit truck look like Scooby Doos Mystery Van.
Re: "A Season in Hell" to be made into Hollywood drama!
Posted by:
Bliss
()
Date: April 24, 2012 13:53
There are some outrageously big errors in A Season in Hell, eg, his description of Michèle Bréton's breasts as over-large and voluptuous, but I really like the book, even more now that I have a translation into French. Greenfield's purple prose really sets the tone of Nellcôte and the dramas that were played out there.
I am looking forward to re-reading it under the trees this summer in the south of France, Exile cd playing, and my laptop opened to some of Dominique Tarlé's timeless photos.
I am looking forward to re-reading it under the trees this summer in the south of France, Exile cd playing, and my laptop opened to some of Dominique Tarlé's timeless photos.
Re: "A Season in Hell" to be made into Hollywood drama!
Posted by:
superrevvy
()
Date: April 24, 2012 14:03
the "outrageously big errors" have added to the intrigue for me. it is
an artistic and poetic and magician technique, to distract the eye with
something simple and silly, and in that moment to sneak through something
big. call it "misdirection" or call it by its blues name "signifying",
but it is a grievous error to evaluate something in its entirety by some
obvious flaw. jagger does this ALL THE TIME, saying something inane
like "i'm like jello staring at your tits" as a cover for sneaking
through something disturbing and profound.
an artistic and poetic and magician technique, to distract the eye with
something simple and silly, and in that moment to sneak through something
big. call it "misdirection" or call it by its blues name "signifying",
but it is a grievous error to evaluate something in its entirety by some
obvious flaw. jagger does this ALL THE TIME, saying something inane
like "i'm like jello staring at your tits" as a cover for sneaking
through something disturbing and profound.
Re: "A Season in Hell" to be made into Hollywood drama!
Posted by:
Bliss
()
Date: April 24, 2012 14:19
Anyway, Rev...having read both Shelley's and Greenfield's books, I feel confident in saying that you will find 'A Season in Hell' more to your taste. Shelley is a primary source and a reliable narrator, but she was there as an employée, and is not a writer. Her book does add some new facts to the RS canon, and is reasonably well-written. All completists should read it.
Greenfield's book, in my view, is kind of like Exile - flawed, over-the-top, uneven - but the whole is greater than the sum of its' parts, and it works very well at conveying a time and place. Although I have a deep conviction that the film will not succeed for any or all of a variety of reasons, it is prime material for cinematic drama.
(However, Greenfield's mis-description of MB's breasts makes me think he never even saw 'Performance', let alone ever met her.)
Greenfield's book, in my view, is kind of like Exile - flawed, over-the-top, uneven - but the whole is greater than the sum of its' parts, and it works very well at conveying a time and place. Although I have a deep conviction that the film will not succeed for any or all of a variety of reasons, it is prime material for cinematic drama.
(However, Greenfield's mis-description of MB's breasts makes me think he never even saw 'Performance', let alone ever met her.)
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