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Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Date: April 23, 2012 22:41

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deeppurple
I would say "Flip the Switch." But, "Highwire" is a great riff based number. It like some many others was a demo they dig out for the two new songs on "FlashPoint." Other then "Rough Justice," the Riffs are Mick's on ABB. Keith plays them live, yes. But, they are Mick's. Like "Don't Stop." Mick has done a number of great Riffs. "Sway" "Stop Breaking Down" "Winter" Most of "Some Girls." "High Roller" the song he did with Leslie West. He did have a great teacher. Keith was at the ABB sessions but, as he has admitted he only showed up with 3 songs. If they do another album I hope the 5 of them RECORD together. By 5 I am including Bill.

It Won´t Take Long, She Saw Me Coming, Dangerous Beauty, This Place Is Empty, Rough Justice and Infamy are all Keith.

Drivin´Too Fast, Laugh I Nearly Died and Streets Of Love are Mick.

Sway, Stop Breakin´Down and Winter are just chord changes or boogie, not riffs. They´re all good, though.

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Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Posted by: rollmops ()
Date: April 24, 2012 04:51

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RollingFreak
Rough Justice

Rough Justice ? A mediocre song in the first place, which then suffers the further indignity of being COMPLETELY and utterly ruined by the most awful lyrics ever penned ........... I mean what the f**k is the story with the first verse for example ? Ridiculous and thoroughly horrible !

One time you were my baby chicken
Now you've grown into a fox
Once upon a time I was your little rooster
But am I just one of your cocks

It's rough justice on ya
You're going to have to trust me
It's rough justice
But you know I'll never break your heart

So put your lips to my hips, baby
And tell me what's on your mind
I know you've still got the animal attraction for me
It's been a long, long time

It's rough justice on ya
We never thought it risky
It's rough justice
But you know I'll never break your heart

You're feeling loose and lusty
So if you really want me
Yeah, it's rough justice
And you know I'll never break your heart...Yeah

It's rough justice on ya
You think you really sussed me
It's rough justice
But you know I'll never break your heart

The first time I saw you, baby
You were springing like a young gazelle
And next thing I know, way down the road
You had me flying like a bat out of hell

It's rough justice on ya
Your eyes are too disgusted
You're going to have to trust me
But you know I'll never break your heart

I give you my positions
Don't want no oppositions
It's rough justice
But you know I'll never break your heart

Yeah
Come on baby Woo..

the best song on the album, and it came to keith in a dream just like satisfaction

very exile-ish

lyrics are great too. a very direct message to the hardcore from Mick
that the Stones were going to be roughing up the hardcore fan on
this tour, not favoring them like on Licks. A++
I agree with you Superheavy, it's a great song. The lyrics reminds me of an Aesop fable with all that animal imagery. The first verse is hilarious with the build up to use the word "cock" as a double entendre. Mick is having fun with that one and I like it.
Rock and Roll,
Mops

Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Posted by: Alef ()
Date: April 24, 2012 13:57

And the right answer is... Love is Strong

Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Posted by: More Hot Rocks ()
Date: April 24, 2012 14:39

Rough Justice.

Won't Take long

Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Date: April 24, 2012 14:41

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More Hot Rocks
Rough Justice.

Won't Take long

Rough Justice is cool, but you're talking about the riff in the chorus, I presume?

That's the only thing that reminds me of a riff in that song.

The song starts with some half-baked boogie...

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Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Posted by: northernale1 ()
Date: April 24, 2012 15:12

the next one he writes and the stones record

Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Posted by: KeithNacho ()
Date: April 24, 2012 15:35

Too tough from underc over album is a great one

You don't move me from talk is cheap is one of his best riff & solo

Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Posted by: dcba ()
Date: April 24, 2012 16:18

Take It So Hard : it's in open G (a Keith trademark) it's instantly memorable and imho the idea to start the riff at the 5th (or 7th?) fret then to use all the open strings to form a G chord is fantastic...
That gives the hook so much power!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-04-24 16:33 by dcba.

Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Posted by: Father Ted ()
Date: April 24, 2012 17:10

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DandelionPowderman
She Saw Me Coming has a great Keith-riff. Too bad they didn´t play it on the ABB-tour, after having rehearsed it several times...

Start Me Up? The mother of all riffs, but honestly there are douzins of great Keith-riffs after that:

- Mixed Emotions
- Terrifying (love that one!)
- Almost Hear You Sigh (due to the production it is buried a bit in the mix)
- Slipping Away
- Love Is Strong
- You Got Me Rocking
- Moon Is Up
- Flip The Switch
- Low Down
- Too Tight
- She Saw Me Coming
- This Place Is Empty

Not to forget all the great riffs with the Winos:
- Take It So Hard
- How I Wish
- Struggle
- 999
- Wicked As It Seems
- Eileen

One man's "great riffs" is anothers "completely forgettable"!

Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Posted by: 71Tele ()
Date: April 24, 2012 19:31

The last songs with great Keith riffs were written by Paul Westerberg.

Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Posted by: deeppurple ()
Date: April 25, 2012 20:05

3 of the 6 songs are the ones Keith showed up with. The other 3 are songs by Mick. Keith may play the opening chords but, they are Mick's song. The last 3 you mention are all start off with a rhythm base. Sway is a hard riff. Pick up a guitar and play it. I have always felt that Riff is a rhythm. Hence the word Riff comes from the word Rhythm. Even Winter in a slower way is a Rythmic based song. Apples and Oranges really. Keith has been a bit slack with coming up with a major Riff in some years. the man has left his mark. He has nothing to prove to anyone. We have though the years confused the, as Keith stated "the Road versions with the studio versions." JJF. I always think of the live version. YCAGWYW. The live opening notes.Even SFTD was played with a Riff, live in '69. I could go on. We are both right. Btw, the only other true Riff-Master to me is Tony Iommi. Bless the man.

Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Date: April 25, 2012 20:24

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deeppurple
3 of the 6 songs are the ones Keith showed up with. The other 3 are songs by Mick. Keith may play the opening chords but, they are Mick's song. The last 3 you mention are all start off with a rhythm base. Sway is a hard riff. Pick up a guitar and play it. I have always felt that Riff is a rhythm. Hence the word Riff comes from the word Rhythm. Even Winter in a slower way is a Rythmic based song. Apples and Oranges really. Keith has been a bit slack with coming up with a major Riff in some years. the man has left his mark. He has nothing to prove to anyone. We have though the years confused the, as Keith stated "the Road versions with the studio versions." JJF. I always think of the live version. YCAGWYW. The live opening notes.Even SFTD was played with a Riff, live in '69. I could go on. We are both right. Btw, the only other true Riff-Master to me is Tony Iommi. Bless the man.

How do you know?

For SSMC I find it likely that Mick didn´t tell Keith which riff to play, but perhaps he had the chord changes ready (no rocket science with those three chords anyway).

Dangerous Beauty really sounds like a Mick/Keith collaboration. At least, they play the riff together with Keith starting and Mick finishing it.

It Won´t Take Long: Sounds like classic Keith-riffing and playing to me. Funnily, Keith used this riff for Infamy on the live versions...

Keith is on back up vocals on all these numbers. Show some involvement further from just playing a few chords on Mick´s songs, if you ask me.

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Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Posted by: deeppurple ()
Date: April 26, 2012 20:26

You are right I do not know. I was not there. It's called over duds. Ronnie came in after the songs were finished. Charlie came in after the songs were finished. Keith has admitted to only having 3 songs when he showed up. Of course Mick did not tell Keith what to play. Keith was involved. He know longer wants to rock the boat. His book did not help with that. Then, again I wonder if the Media is not pushing the issue. But, over the past what? 16 years were has keith been? ABB was Mick's album. To me it is his best solo outting to date. Minus, Keith's songs. Plus Keith's wonderful solo on DB. Seeing them twice back in '05 it was apparent Keith was having a great time. Watching him was interesting. At times he would drop back, not really play for a sec and admire his work: The Rolling Stones. Who can blame him? Mick has drive. Keith is a different sort. he lets the day carry him. As he says Mick gets up with a PC in one hand and a Cell Phone in the other. Btw, have you heard the unedited version of some of ABB? The songs are better! Mick micro-manages. He cut the heart of out some of the songs. One last thing, at one of the shows, i was right over Ronnie's side of the stage. i could see everything that was going on back stage. Seeing them come up the steps and wait till Keith stroll at was the best. Keith was shaking everyone's hands Mick was loosing up. Charlie was talking with someone and Woody was beening attended to by his then wife, Joy.

Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Posted by: uhbuhgullayew ()
Date: April 27, 2012 06:02

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the next one he writes and the stones record




Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Date: April 27, 2012 11:27

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deeppurple
You are right I do not know. I was not there. It's called over duds. Ronnie came in after the songs were finished. Charlie came in after the songs were finished. Keith has admitted to only having 3 songs when he showed up. Of course Mick did not tell Keith what to play. Keith was involved. He know longer wants to rock the boat. His book did not help with that. Then, again I wonder if the Media is not pushing the issue. But, over the past what? 16 years were has keith been? ABB was Mick's album. To me it is his best solo outting to date. Minus, Keith's songs. Plus Keith's wonderful solo on DB. Seeing them twice back in '05 it was apparent Keith was having a great time. Watching him was interesting. At times he would drop back, not really play for a sec and admire his work: The Rolling Stones. Who can blame him? Mick has drive. Keith is a different sort. he lets the day carry him. As he says Mick gets up with a PC in one hand and a Cell Phone in the other. Btw, have you heard the unedited version of some of ABB? The songs are better! Mick micro-manages. He cut the heart of out some of the songs. One last thing, at one of the shows, i was right over Ronnie's side of the stage. i could see everything that was going on back stage. Seeing them come up the steps and wait till Keith stroll at was the best. Keith was shaking everyone's hands Mick was loosing up. Charlie was talking with someone and Woody was beening attended to by his then wife, Joy.

Obviously, that's not the case with She Saw Me Coming, regarding Ronnie's statement about the song being recorded live with Mick on bass.

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Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Date: April 27, 2012 11:29

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deeppurple
You are right I do not know. I was not there. It's called over duds. Ronnie came in after the songs were finished. Charlie came in after the songs were finished. Keith has admitted to only having 3 songs when he showed up. Of course Mick did not tell Keith what to play. Keith was involved. He know longer wants to rock the boat. His book did not help with that. Then, again I wonder if the Media is not pushing the issue. But, over the past what? 16 years were has keith been? ABB was Mick's album. To me it is his best solo outting to date. Minus, Keith's songs. Plus Keith's wonderful solo on DB. Seeing them twice back in '05 it was apparent Keith was having a great time. Watching him was interesting. At times he would drop back, not really play for a sec and admire his work: The Rolling Stones. Who can blame him? Mick has drive. Keith is a different sort. he lets the day carry him. As he says Mick gets up with a PC in one hand and a Cell Phone in the other. Btw, have you heard the unedited version of some of ABB? The songs are better! Mick micro-manages. He cut the heart of out some of the songs. One last thing, at one of the shows, i was right over Ronnie's side of the stage. i could see everything that was going on back stage. Seeing them come up the steps and wait till Keith stroll at was the best. Keith was shaking everyone's hands Mick was loosing up. Charlie was talking with someone and Woody was beening attended to by his then wife, Joy.

No, I haven't heard those ABB-demos. Interesting.

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Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Posted by: deeppurple ()
Date: April 27, 2012 16:41

I got the Demos here. As far as Ronnie saying the song was record live..All I know is that he spent most of the recording in Rehab. He came in and put down his over Dubs during a two day period. Who knows maybe they recorded that track while he was there. I also know that Ronnie says things that are not true. Look at the first Headline on the News section. Ronnie suffers from ADHD. check and seach for the demos. maybe the Hot Stuff section.
I just hope IF, they release a new album, they record together. Not sending the tapes around to each other so they can lay down their part. "Watch the River Flow" from the Ben Waters album was recorded like that. Mick and Keith anyway.

Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Posted by: Toru A ()
Date: April 28, 2012 03:49

Low Down.
The interplay between Keith's guitar and the horn section is quite unique.

Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Posted by: billwebster ()
Date: April 28, 2012 10:34

I'm surprised nobody mentioned "Too Tight" yet.

But the most recent must be "Dangerous Beauty".

Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Posted by: deeppurple ()
Date: April 28, 2012 18:37

Listen to the inter-play on "Out Of Control." The live version is awesome. Keith is in his true element.

Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Date: April 28, 2012 18:38

I've often figured 'a great Keith riff' as one that is not mistakable and opens or is in the opening of a song, like Honky Tonk Women.

So on that note I'm gonna have to go with - She Saw Me Coming is pretty damn good, a fantastic metal grinding against metal kind of riff - but Lowdown is probably the last great classic Keef riff, the way it hangs there and then chops a bit...

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