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I'm not doubting what you're saying, but how do you know this?
I've read and/or seem very little regarding the song writing for thins album so would love to know of any articles or interviews related to this.
All I've heard regarding the song writing for this album is that Mick and Keith worked closer together on these writing sessions than they had in many years.
Isn't there something in Shine A Light that shows Keith playing the riff?
That´s Keith, and you can see him play it in the documentary, too - the same way.
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They WOULD say that. They're hardly going to say the opposite, lets face it, Almost all the songs on ABB are primarily Mick Jagger songs with a bit of 'filling' from Keith. As subsequent interviews have more or less proven.
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Drew
On She Saw Me Coming, that is Mick on bass, Charlie, Keith and me, cut live. We should do more like that, like in the Faces' days where we would just take off - eyes down, meet you at the end.
- Ron Wood, July 2005
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-04-21 20:44 by Gazza.
The lying gits!
Yeah but the negative thing for the Stones is obviously that the two songwriters , while competing for solo record acolates, would likely choose to give the second tier songs to the Stones and keep the "I told you so" gems for themselves. It just hit me that this is why they haven't been as up to par on the last few records.
Someone should do a hypothetical where the best songs from the Winos and the Jagger solo records were given to the Stones to churn out. Keith dirtying up some of the She's the Boss songs and Mick arranging and vocalizing on the best of the Winos songs.
As a matter of fact it's not too late for them to do EXACTLY that for the next Stones record. I'd love to see that actually, what a goldmine of song opportunities. They still split the writers credits only separately this time. lol
I'm sure they haven't listened to each other's records enough to be overly influenced. It's like the old days again. Did I hear MT enter the room? peace
Thanks. London was great. Going back in a few weeks. Manchester and Liverpool too this time.
Well I'm not going to argue the point about this particular song Paulie, but in Mick's defense, you know it is completely unfair to take lyrics out of the context of the song and evaluate them as poetry. This is Rock and Roll after all. peace
the best song on the album, and it came to keith in a dream just like satisfaction
very exile-ish
lyrics are great too. a very direct message to the hardcore from Mick
that the Stones were going to be roughing up the hardcore fan on
this tour, not favoring them like on Licks. A++
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2012-04-22 05:06 by superrevvy.
I'm quietly confident that "Streets of Love" is Keith's riff. I also believe he did that blistering guitar solo in the middle.
Absolutely, I forgot that one. Very nice guitar work by Keith, imo.
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Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Posted by:
vudicus
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Date: April 21, 2012 15:36
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Mathijs
She Saw Me Coming is Mick's. Not Keith.
Mathijs
I'm not doubting what you're saying, but how do you know this?
I've read and/or seem very little regarding the song writing for thins album so would love to know of any articles or interviews related to this.
All I've heard regarding the song writing for this album is that Mick and Keith worked closer together on these writing sessions than they had in many years.
Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Posted by:
noughties
()
Date: April 21, 2012 16:49
Low Down.
Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Posted by:
mitchflorida1
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Date: April 21, 2012 18:17
I really like the riff on this song . . It sounds like Keith riff
Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Posted by:
WeLoveToPlayTheBlues
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Date: April 21, 2012 18:18
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vudicus
Quote
Mathijs
She Saw Me Coming is Mick's. Not Keith.
Mathijs
I'm not doubting what you're saying, but how do you know this?
I've read and/or seem very little regarding the song writing for thins album so would love to know of any articles or interviews related to this.
All I've heard regarding the song writing for this album is that Mick and Keith worked closer together on these writing sessions than they had in many years.
Isn't there something in Shine A Light that shows Keith playing the riff?
Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Posted by:
Palace Revolution 2000
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Date: April 21, 2012 18:59
"Struggle" is a great riff. Watching Keith live chopping away at that one was awesome. It put me in mind of minor key thread too: its a strong minor key song; and it also made me realize how similar it is to "Terrifying".
Naturalust mentions the Winos, and is right on. Seems like either Keith saved some of his latter day prime riffs for his solo band, or maybe within the Stones some of his riff based songs lose that very edge, once Jagger gets through with them. And I don't mean that negatively. Jagger seems to like more structure.
Naturalust mentions the Winos, and is right on. Seems like either Keith saved some of his latter day prime riffs for his solo band, or maybe within the Stones some of his riff based songs lose that very edge, once Jagger gets through with them. And I don't mean that negatively. Jagger seems to like more structure.
Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: April 21, 2012 20:08
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Mathijs
She Saw Me Coming is Mick's. Not Keith.
Mathijs
That´s Keith, and you can see him play it in the documentary, too - the same way.
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Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Posted by:
Gazza
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Date: April 21, 2012 20:29
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ROPENI
Which was the last Stones song you can think of, that had that recognizable riff that just by hearing the guitar you just knew it was The Rolling Stones?
For me, it was "Start me Up"....and is over 30 years old, damn....
Dangerous Beauty.
Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Posted by:
Gazza
()
Date: April 21, 2012 20:32
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vudicus
Quote
Mathijs
She Saw Me Coming is Mick's. Not Keith.
Mathijs
I'm not doubting what you're saying, but how do you know this?
I've read and/or seem very little regarding the song writing for thins album so would love to know of any articles or interviews related to this.
All I've heard regarding the song writing for this album is that Mick and Keith worked closer together on these writing sessions than they had in many years.
They WOULD say that. They're hardly going to say the opposite, lets face it, Almost all the songs on ABB are primarily Mick Jagger songs with a bit of 'filling' from Keith. As subsequent interviews have more or less proven.
Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Posted by:
drewmaster
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Date: April 21, 2012 20:34
Quote
Gazza
Quote
ROPENI
Which was the last Stones song you can think of, that had that recognizable riff that just by hearing the guitar you just knew it was The Rolling Stones?
For me, it was "Start me Up"....and is over 30 years old, damn....
Dangerous Beauty.
+1
Drew
Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Posted by:
Gazza
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Date: April 21, 2012 20:44
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audun-eg
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Mathijs
She Saw Me Coming is Mick's. Not Keith.
Mathijs
Is it Keith to the Right, or is it Ronnie? Hard to tell I Think, but I would guess Keith and Ronnie doing the slide parts?
On She Saw Me Coming, that is Mick on bass, Charlie, Keith and me, cut live. We should do more like that, like in the Faces' days where we would just take off - eyes down, meet you at the end.
- Ron Wood, July 2005
[www.timeisonourside.com]
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-04-21 20:44 by Gazza.
Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Posted by:
uhbuhgullayew
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Date: April 21, 2012 20:52
Satisfaction
Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Posted by:
vudicus
()
Date: April 21, 2012 21:23
Quote
Gazza
Quote
vudicus
Quote
Mathijs
She Saw Me Coming is Mick's. Not Keith.
Mathijs
I'm not doubting what you're saying, but how do you know this?
I've read and/or seem very little regarding the song writing for thins album so would love to know of any articles or interviews related to this.
All I've heard regarding the song writing for this album is that Mick and Keith worked closer together on these writing sessions than they had in many years.
They WOULD say that. They're hardly going to say the opposite, lets face it, Almost all the songs on ABB are primarily Mick Jagger songs with a bit of 'filling' from Keith. As subsequent interviews have more or less proven.
The lying gits!
Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Posted by:
Naturalust
()
Date: April 21, 2012 21:29
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Palace Revolution 2000
Seems like either Keith saved some of his latter day prime riffs for his solo band, or maybe within the Stones some of his riff based songs lose that very edge, once Jagger gets through with them. And I don't mean that negatively. Jagger seems to like more structure.
Yeah but the negative thing for the Stones is obviously that the two songwriters , while competing for solo record acolates, would likely choose to give the second tier songs to the Stones and keep the "I told you so" gems for themselves. It just hit me that this is why they haven't been as up to par on the last few records.
Someone should do a hypothetical where the best songs from the Winos and the Jagger solo records were given to the Stones to churn out. Keith dirtying up some of the She's the Boss songs and Mick arranging and vocalizing on the best of the Winos songs.
As a matter of fact it's not too late for them to do EXACTLY that for the next Stones record. I'd love to see that actually, what a goldmine of song opportunities. They still split the writers credits only separately this time. lol
I'm sure they haven't listened to each other's records enough to be overly influenced. It's like the old days again. Did I hear MT enter the room? peace
Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Posted by:
letitloose
()
Date: April 21, 2012 22:08
You are welcome to your opinion of course. but I think it's a great riff- Love the false start. love the lyrics too. Seriously. they are sly, sexy and self referencing. I would take them any day over shite like, say Blinded by Rainbows or Sweet NeoCon
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-04-21 22:09 by letitloose.
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paulywaul
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RollingFreak
Rough Justice
Rough Justice ? A mediocre song in the first place, which then suffers the further indignity of being COMPLETELY and utterly ruined by the most awful lyrics ever penned ........... I mean what the f**k is the story with the first verse for example ? Ridiculous and thoroughly horrible !
One time you were my baby chicken
Now you've grown into a fox
Once upon a time I was your little rooster
But am I just one of your cocks
It's rough justice on ya
You're going to have to trust me
It's rough justice
But you know I'll never break your heart
So put your lips to my hips, baby
And tell me what's on your mind
I know you've still got the animal attraction for me
It's been a long, long time
It's rough justice on ya
We never thought it risky
It's rough justice
But you know I'll never break your heart
You're feeling loose and lusty
So if you really want me
Yeah, it's rough justice
And you know I'll never break your heart...Yeah
It's rough justice on ya
You think you really sussed me
It's rough justice
But you know I'll never break your heart
The first time I saw you, baby
You were springing like a young gazelle
And next thing I know, way down the road
You had me flying like a bat out of hell
It's rough justice on ya
Your eyes are too disgusted
You're going to have to trust me
But you know I'll never break your heart
I give you my positions
Don't want no oppositions
It's rough justice
But you know I'll never break your heart
Yeah
Come on baby Woo..
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-04-21 22:09 by letitloose.
Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Posted by:
71Tele
()
Date: April 21, 2012 22:26
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Naturalust
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WeLoveToPlayTheBlues
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71Tele
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DandelionPowderman
She Saw Me Coming has a great Keith-riff. Too bad they didn´t play it on the ABB-tour, after having rehearsed it several times...
Start Me Up? The mother of all riffs, but honestly there are douzins of great Keith-riffs after that:
- Mixed Emotions
- Terrifying (love that one!)
- Almost Hear You Sigh (due to the production it is buried a bit in the mix)
- Slipping Away
- Love Is Strong
- You Got Me Rocking
- Moon Is Up
- Flip The Switch
- Low Down
- Too Tight
- She Saw Me Coming
- This Place Is Empty
Not to forget all the great riffs with the Winos:
- Take It So Hard
- How I Wish
- Struggle
- 999
- Wicked As It Seems
- Eileen
Hmm...we have different definitions of "great". I would call most of those "good".
Also different definitions of what a riff is.
Several of his Winos riffs are GREAT imho, although mostly great within the context of what the band is playing, stand-alone great ala Stones CYHMK intro ..it's been a while. Start Me Up never did a thing for me, too contrived or something. I would have probably preferred it as a reaggae song. Hey welcome back Tele. London good to ya? peace
Thanks. London was great. Going back in a few weeks. Manchester and Liverpool too this time.
Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Posted by:
Naturalust
()
Date: April 21, 2012 23:43
Quote
paulywaul
Rough Justice ? A mediocre song in the first place, which then suffers the further indignity of being COMPLETELY and utterly ruined by the most awful lyrics ever penned ........... I mean what the f**k is the story with the first verse for example ? Ridiculous and thoroughly horrible !
.
Well I'm not going to argue the point about this particular song Paulie, but in Mick's defense, you know it is completely unfair to take lyrics out of the context of the song and evaluate them as poetry. This is Rock and Roll after all. peace
Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Posted by:
chelskeith
()
Date: April 22, 2012 01:27
Rough Justice is just another autobiographical song by Mick about one of his affairs, with a play on words using animals.
Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Posted by:
carlostones10
()
Date: April 22, 2012 03:25
Oh no not you again.... and a lot of others after start me up.
Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Posted by:
Midnight Toker
()
Date: April 22, 2012 03:54
Lots of them on his first solo LP.
Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Posted by:
superrevvy
()
Date: April 22, 2012 04:53
Quote
paulywaul
Quote
RollingFreak
Rough Justice
Rough Justice ? A mediocre song in the first place, which then suffers the further indignity of being COMPLETELY and utterly ruined by the most awful lyrics ever penned ........... I mean what the f**k is the story with the first verse for example ? Ridiculous and thoroughly horrible !
One time you were my baby chicken
Now you've grown into a fox
Once upon a time I was your little rooster
But am I just one of your cocks
It's rough justice on ya
You're going to have to trust me
It's rough justice
But you know I'll never break your heart
So put your lips to my hips, baby
And tell me what's on your mind
I know you've still got the animal attraction for me
It's been a long, long time
It's rough justice on ya
We never thought it risky
It's rough justice
But you know I'll never break your heart
You're feeling loose and lusty
So if you really want me
Yeah, it's rough justice
And you know I'll never break your heart...Yeah
It's rough justice on ya
You think you really sussed me
It's rough justice
But you know I'll never break your heart
The first time I saw you, baby
You were springing like a young gazelle
And next thing I know, way down the road
You had me flying like a bat out of hell
It's rough justice on ya
Your eyes are too disgusted
You're going to have to trust me
But you know I'll never break your heart
I give you my positions
Don't want no oppositions
It's rough justice
But you know I'll never break your heart
Yeah
Come on baby Woo..
the best song on the album, and it came to keith in a dream just like satisfaction
very exile-ish
lyrics are great too. a very direct message to the hardcore from Mick
that the Stones were going to be roughing up the hardcore fan on
this tour, not favoring them like on Licks. A++
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2012-04-22 05:06 by superrevvy.
Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Posted by:
Slimharpo
()
Date: April 22, 2012 06:49
I always thought the Rough Justice lyrics were basically Keith feelings in his relationship with Mick and written with a a bit of "Little Red Rooster" tribute, but you guys would know better.
Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: April 22, 2012 06:56
Here's an old one from about 5 yrs ago.........
Keith’s intro jumped started straight from the ole devil’s Cadillac, fiddlin’ scratchin’ arcin' tryin’ to get a connection...Then WHAMO!! Ignition as Charlie pours a half gallon of BOOM BOOM juice straight down the throat of the carbie…Micky Jagger jumps behind the wheel, flips the digits of his age to 16 and careers down the road ah screamin’ & yellin' out the window like a crazed kid....But you know I’ll never break yourrrr heartttttttt....while Mr Ronnie’s crouched in the back AK assault weapon slide covering their every move...
Power House over load in 3.13........PLAY LOUD
ROCKMAN
Keith’s intro jumped started straight from the ole devil’s Cadillac, fiddlin’ scratchin’ arcin' tryin’ to get a connection...Then WHAMO!! Ignition as Charlie pours a half gallon of BOOM BOOM juice straight down the throat of the carbie…Micky Jagger jumps behind the wheel, flips the digits of his age to 16 and careers down the road ah screamin’ & yellin' out the window like a crazed kid....But you know I’ll never break yourrrr heartttttttt....while Mr Ronnie’s crouched in the back AK assault weapon slide covering their every move...
Power House over load in 3.13........PLAY LOUD
ROCKMANRe: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Posted by:
Tate
()
Date: April 22, 2012 16:48
I love the riff on Baby Break It Down. That's an honorable mention, anyhow.
Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Posted by:
deeppurple
()
Date: April 22, 2012 17:15
I would say "Flip the Switch." But, "Highwire" is a great riff based number. It like some many others was a demo they dig out for the two new songs on "FlashPoint." Other then "Rough Justice," the Riffs are Mick's on ABB. Keith plays them live, yes. But, they are Mick's. Like "Don't Stop." Mick has done a number of great Riffs. "Sway" "Stop Breaking Down" "Winter" Most of "Some Girls." "High Roller" the song he did with Leslie West. He did have a great teacher. Keith was at the ABB sessions but, as he has admitted he only showed up with 3 songs. If they do another album I hope the 5 of them RECORD together. By 5 I am including Bill.
Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Posted by:
jeff14
()
Date: April 22, 2012 17:38
Undercover of The Night...better riff(?) than Start Me Up.....could someone define what a riff is...notes or chords...
Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Posted by:
Doxa
()
Date: April 22, 2012 20:29
Damn difficult question... many ways to look at "great riffs" (and yeah, starting probably by a proper defination...)
But I think the greatness of Keith's riffs is to be measured on the songs they inspire to be written out of them. A great riff without a great song around it is... not a great riff me thinks (only 'potentially great riff, like "I'm Going Down" which never actually formed a classic piece for wahtaever reason). I think Keith Richards might also think the way I do here: he sees riffs only meaningful in the context of songs. We shouldn't seperate them.
For that reason I think "Start Me Up" might the last great HUGE Keith Richards riff, even though he has written good riffs since that for sure. But when we start throwing in things like "Dangerous Beauty" or "Take It so Hard" or "You Got Me Rocking" I think we should keep in mind what this guy was once able to do... I think we should keep the semantics of "greatness" in some reasonable level in order to include things like "Satisfaction", "Jumpin Jack Flash", "Gimme Shelter", "Tumblin Dice", etc in it...
- Doxa
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-04-22 20:30 by Doxa.
But I think the greatness of Keith's riffs is to be measured on the songs they inspire to be written out of them. A great riff without a great song around it is... not a great riff me thinks (only 'potentially great riff, like "I'm Going Down" which never actually formed a classic piece for wahtaever reason). I think Keith Richards might also think the way I do here: he sees riffs only meaningful in the context of songs. We shouldn't seperate them.
For that reason I think "Start Me Up" might the last great HUGE Keith Richards riff, even though he has written good riffs since that for sure. But when we start throwing in things like "Dangerous Beauty" or "Take It so Hard" or "You Got Me Rocking" I think we should keep in mind what this guy was once able to do... I think we should keep the semantics of "greatness" in some reasonable level in order to include things like "Satisfaction", "Jumpin Jack Flash", "Gimme Shelter", "Tumblin Dice", etc in it...
- Doxa
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-04-22 20:30 by Doxa.
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Posted by:
GOO
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Date: April 23, 2012 00:40
Under the radar
Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Posted by:
treaclefingers
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Date: April 23, 2012 16:06
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vudicus
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Gazza
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vudicus
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Mathijs
She Saw Me Coming is Mick's. Not Keith.
Mathijs
I'm not doubting what you're saying, but how do you know this?
I've read and/or seem very little regarding the song writing for thins album so would love to know of any articles or interviews related to this.
All I've heard regarding the song writing for this album is that Mick and Keith worked closer together on these writing sessions than they had in many years.
They WOULD say that. They're hardly going to say the opposite, lets face it, Almost all the songs on ABB are primarily Mick Jagger songs with a bit of 'filling' from Keith. As subsequent interviews have more or less proven.
The lying gits!
I'm quietly confident that "Streets of Love" is Keith's riff. I also believe he did that blistering guitar solo in the middle.
Re: Last Stones song with a great Keith Riff...
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: April 23, 2012 16:09
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Tate
I love the riff on Baby Break It Down. That's an honorable mention, anyhow.
Absolutely, I forgot that one. Very nice guitar work by Keith, imo.
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Date: April 23, 2012 21:34
Last one to me is Start Me Up.
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