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No offense intended, You can enjoy rock'n'roll even with 30€ speakers, no need to get the audiophile thing to rock ! And by the way how do you consider you as an audiophile , just wonderin' ?
This new release is the best of the three.
HMN
StonesCave
With all respect -if you use VLC, what equipment are you using then? A computer or laptop?
If so -these have $25 soundcards, so what do you expect? A fantastic warm, bright, fat full sound?
Then, where is the soundcard sending its signal to? A $75 speaker set? An Ipodpad in-ear? Those are made in China and cost less than a dollar. What sound quality do you expect form them?
Listening in your car? While the wind and tyres are sending 90 dB to the cabine?
We all tend to say it all sounded so much better 20 years ago, but we forget that we spend a thousand times more money on sound equipment back then.
Mathijs
So...
LA July 9
LA July 12
Toronto
Fort Collins
did I get a few? What about the others?
Problem here is the sound is just flat. There's no depth, no contrast, everything is put upfront. It's mastered this way so that music sounds as loud as possible. On my mp3 player with little earbuds it quite enjoyable, especially in a noisy environment. But when it comes to listen to it on a hi fi audio system, to me it sounds just messy. For example try to compare Sympathy For The Devil from LA 75 to the version on Love You Live. Percussions are clearly audible on LYL while on LA 75 they are barely discernable.
Homer S. get the meaning of the word "irony"
That's because the Stones wanted us to hear Ollie Brown in '77, and Clearmountain hasn't got a clue about Ollie. Same with the solo Wood does on YCAGWYW -it used to be full of delay, echoing around the LA Forum. Clearmounting doesn't have a clue how it used to sound.
But it is not a matter of bad mastering, it is simply a matter of choice and preference of the guy whom did the mixing and mastering.
Mathijs
I guess it's all personal taste. I listened to it on my Def-Tech Studio Monitor 65 speakers earlier and am now listening to it on my Denon 5.1 system and it sounds good to me. I did compare the LYL track and see what you mean. The drums on here are shoved down in the mix in comparison to that LP
What I mean is percussions should pop out of the music and makes it more exciting. They're here in the mix but they can't stand out because overall sound is so flat. It's the same for Charlie's drums. They can't "kick out" because they have compressed so much the sound.
To my ears this very bad choice of hot mastering ruins a great live album. Just the same as Hampton '81.
You're right. Compression works well on mid-range frequencies. It can make guitars sound more cutting or thicker, but it should be applied strategically and here they mucked up the drums a bit. They did the same thing on the Brussels release, but they got a lot of stuff right with both mixes. Everything's a tradeoff when mastering and I like the finished product even though it's not perfect.
I always hear people talking about usenet or newsgroup, but I never know what/where people are talking about.
Here's my wishes
One 1967 show
El Mocambo 77
One 1970 show
El Mocambo 77
One 1971 show
El Mocambo 77
One 1972 show
El Mocambo 77
One 1982 show
El Mocambo 77
In this list , you could see , which one I want for the next release
HMN
StonesCave
Looks like you have an El Mocamboner
Sir, you are right, just my thoughts, too ......
They got many things right : clear sound and good balance between instruments for instance. But I guess this is due to Bob Clearmountain's magic. Just I wish they keep dynamics safe and don't make everything sounds flat when releasing it to the public (or the fans as a matter of fact).
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-04-03 23:22 by kowalski.
I'm forced to agree with most speakers here about the sound quality. Way too much compressed. Like others have said I miss the 'kick' in Charlie's drums, and so on. Nevertheless great to have this in great stereo.
Nice analysis, I agree with most of it.
It is pretty cool that they actually made such a straightforward, undoctored release of a pretty drug-fuelled, shall we say "slurry" concert. I know, it's awesome and probably one of the best performances of '75-'76, but listen to Keith singing the whole second verse of Happy on the wrong beat and then lose it on the chorus ... and realize that this download is officially sanctioned by Jagger.
Er, I sure hope we all know and understand it is a stage act by Jagger, that it was his intention to sound like this on this tour. It is his stage persona, much like Bowie invented stage persona's and alter ego's.
I mean, it's not real.
Mathijs
There's one already available on the Buy/Sell/Trade forum : [www.iorr.org]
see here
iorr
HMN
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Re: Forget the rumours, the new boot IS LA '75!
Posted by:
Honestman
()
Date: April 3, 2012 21:57
Quote
kevinkamphuis
There is no "Depth" in the music. It's mastered way to loud. When you are listening with €300 earphones and audiophile ears you know what I mean. Don't get me wrong nothing to do with performance and/or music but only mastering.
The music is pure rock 'n roll!
No offense intended, You can enjoy rock'n'roll even with 30€ speakers, no need to get the audiophile thing to rock ! And by the way how do you consider you as an audiophile , just wonderin' ?
This new release is the best of the three.
HMN
StonesCave
Re: Forget the rumours, the new boot IS LA '75!
Posted by:
muenke
()
Date: April 3, 2012 22:01
YES - just listening now, blistering raw sound, Wood is pretty good, powerfull performance. First time for me hearing a 75gig and I´m impressed! Great!
Re: Forget the rumours, the new boot IS LA '75!
Posted by:
Mathijs
()
Date: April 3, 2012 22:02
Quote
kowalski
Quote
dcba
Quote
kevinkamphuis
Unbelievable...
Check the Waveforms from the FLAC version! Brickwalled to death
Why Why?
Play the FLAC files with vlc player (which is free). Open the pre-amp tool of vlc and move the cursor down to whatever figure you find necessary (for me it's minus 7 d. I guarantee this trick will greatly attenuate the hot mastering.
It makes the brickwalled sound less hot but doesn't remove the flatness of the sound.
With all respect -if you use VLC, what equipment are you using then? A computer or laptop?
If so -these have $25 soundcards, so what do you expect? A fantastic warm, bright, fat full sound?
Then, where is the soundcard sending its signal to? A $75 speaker set? An Ipodpad in-ear? Those are made in China and cost less than a dollar. What sound quality do you expect form them?
Listening in your car? While the wind and tyres are sending 90 dB to the cabine?
We all tend to say it all sounded so much better 20 years ago, but we forget that we spend a thousand times more money on sound equipment back then.
Mathijs
Re: Forget the rumours, the new boot IS LA '75!
Posted by:
rocker1
()
Date: April 3, 2012 22:02
Quote
dcba
I could name 8 shows from 75 that are hotter than this one but hey it's time for rejoicing not bitching.
So...
LA July 9
LA July 12
Toronto
Fort Collins
did I get a few? What about the others?
Re: Forget the rumours, the new boot IS LA '75!
Posted by:
GumbootCloggeroo
()
Date: April 3, 2012 22:08
You bitch and then you say there's no time for bitching. Great!Quote
dcba
I could name 8 shows from 75 that are hotter than this one but hey it's time for rejoicing not bitching.
Re: Forget the rumours, the new boot IS LA '75!
Posted by:
kowalski
()
Date: April 3, 2012 22:14
Quote
Laughingsam
I think it sounds great. I get a kick out of how people on here use terms like brickwall or compression or limiting as if these processes automatically ruin a recording. It's how these processes are tempered and which frequencies they're applied to that makes or breaks the sound. Assuming they're always bad is remiss and ignores what is often an essential part of the mastering process. This release sounds just right to me and I hope they continue to master the concerts in this vein.
Problem here is the sound is just flat. There's no depth, no contrast, everything is put upfront. It's mastered this way so that music sounds as loud as possible. On my mp3 player with little earbuds it quite enjoyable, especially in a noisy environment. But when it comes to listen to it on a hi fi audio system, to me it sounds just messy. For example try to compare Sympathy For The Devil from LA 75 to the version on Love You Live. Percussions are clearly audible on LYL while on LA 75 they are barely discernable.
Re: Forget the rumours, the new boot IS LA '75!
Posted by:
dcba
()
Date: April 3, 2012 22:15
Quote
GumbootCloggeroo
You bitch and then you say there's no time for bitching. Great!Quote
dcba
I could name 8 shows from 75 that are hotter than this one but hey it's time for rejoicing not bitching.
Homer S. get the meaning of the word "irony"
Re: Forget the rumours, the new boot IS LA '75!
Posted by:
RobertJohnson
()
Date: April 3, 2012 22:25
Hear "Heartbreaker" now, the best solo on this tune I ever heard. And this is Ronnie's. Great performance by RW.
Re: Forget the rumours, the new boot IS LA '75!
Posted by:
Mathijs
()
Date: April 3, 2012 22:26
Quote
kowalski
For example try to compare Sympathy For The Devil from LA 75 to the version on Love You Live. Percussions are clearly audible on LYL while on LA 75 they are barely discernable.
That's because the Stones wanted us to hear Ollie Brown in '77, and Clearmountain hasn't got a clue about Ollie. Same with the solo Wood does on YCAGWYW -it used to be full of delay, echoing around the LA Forum. Clearmounting doesn't have a clue how it used to sound.
But it is not a matter of bad mastering, it is simply a matter of choice and preference of the guy whom did the mixing and mastering.
Mathijs
Re: Forget the rumours, the new boot IS LA '75!
Posted by:
Slick
()
Date: April 3, 2012 22:30
flacs just went up on usenet, downloading now yessssssssssssss
Re: Forget the rumours, the new boot IS LA '75!
Posted by:
Laughingsam
()
Date: April 3, 2012 22:41
Quote
kowalski
Problem here is the sound is just flat. There's no depth, no contrast, everything is put upfront. It's mastered this way so that music sounds as loud as possible. On my mp3 player with little earbuds it quite enjoyable, especially in a noisy environment. But when it comes to listen to it on a hi fi audio system, to me it sounds just messy. For example try to compare Sympathy For The Devil from LA 75 to the version on Love You Live. Percussions are clearly audible on LYL while on LA 75 they are barely discernable.
I guess it's all personal taste. I listened to it on my Def-Tech Studio Monitor 65 speakers earlier and am now listening to it on my Denon 5.1 system and it sounds good to me. I did compare the LYL track and see what you mean. The drums on here are shoved down in the mix in comparison to that LP
Re: Forget the rumours, the new boot IS LA '75!
Posted by:
kowalski
()
Date: April 3, 2012 22:43
Quote
Mathijs
Quote
kowalski
For example try to compare Sympathy For The Devil from LA 75 to the version on Love You Live. Percussions are clearly audible on LYL while on LA 75 they are barely discernable.
That's because the Stones wanted us to hear Ollie Brown in '77, and Clearmountain hasn't got a clue about Ollie. Same with the solo Wood does on YCAGWYW -it used to be full of delay, echoing around the LA Forum. Clearmounting doesn't have a clue how it used to sound.
But it is not a matter of bad mastering, it is simply a matter of choice and preference of the guy whom did the mixing and mastering.
Mathijs
What I mean is percussions should pop out of the music and makes it more exciting. They're here in the mix but they can't stand out because overall sound is so flat. It's the same for Charlie's drums. They can't "kick out" because they have compressed so much the sound.
To my ears this very bad choice of hot mastering ruins a great live album. Just the same as Hampton '81.
Re: Forget the rumours, the new boot IS LA '75!
Posted by:
LieB
()
Date: April 3, 2012 22:46
Just listened to most of LA Friday today. Nice release, good sound. I like especially how some songs like Tumbling Dice and YCAGWYW grooves and swings. And I like the punky punch of the whole concert/tour. But still I prefer most gigs from the Taylor years and the '78-'82 stuff with Ronnie. I'm not a big fan of Preston and I think the whole band was a bit of a loose canon in the mid-'70s.
My personal top four of the recently released live albums:
1. Brussels Affair '73
2. Hampton '81
3. Some Girls in Texas '78 (the cd)
4. LA Friday '75
So now they got the best "Ronnie tours" covered pretty well -- it's about time they make a proper '72 live album!!! (I will be disappointed if none of these six archive releases are from that tour.)
My personal top four of the recently released live albums:
1. Brussels Affair '73
2. Hampton '81
3. Some Girls in Texas '78 (the cd)
4. LA Friday '75
So now they got the best "Ronnie tours" covered pretty well -- it's about time they make a proper '72 live album!!! (I will be disappointed if none of these six archive releases are from that tour.)
Re: Forget the rumours, the new boot IS LA '75!
Posted by:
RobertJohnson
()
Date: April 3, 2012 22:47
Another brilliant performance by RW, this time on "Wild Horses".
Re: Forget the rumours, the new boot IS LA '75!
Posted by:
Ross
()
Date: April 3, 2012 22:55
For me this is great because,due to the lack of Soundboard recordings, I just never listened to the TOTA '75 stuff much. This tour is obviously so much better than I ever gave it credit.
Yes, Jagger is obviously wasted. He really flubs a lot of lines...but his singing is pretty good (maybe a little too much growling at times) and the drunken delivery is something that makes this show unique. He is kind of weird but kind of funny.
Good raunchy quality to the whole show. Ronnie is playing more in the MT style than the style he developed later on...and that is great! He isn't as fluid as Mr. Taylor, but he is really nailing it. I remember sitting in Liberty Bowl Stadium in Memphis the week before this show (July 4, actually) and being blown away by Ronnie to the point of thinking that they wouldn't miss MT at all! Then after hearing LYL I thought maybe the "herbs" had gotten to me a little.
This is a real triumph for Ronnie. The best I have heard him play as a Stone (insert IMHO disclaimer here). The rest of the band is firing on all cylinders, just running off the road every now and then! Great "warts and all" presentation!
This was the perfect release for me, I am completely rediscovering '75!
Ross
Yes, Jagger is obviously wasted. He really flubs a lot of lines...but his singing is pretty good (maybe a little too much growling at times) and the drunken delivery is something that makes this show unique. He is kind of weird but kind of funny.
Good raunchy quality to the whole show. Ronnie is playing more in the MT style than the style he developed later on...and that is great! He isn't as fluid as Mr. Taylor, but he is really nailing it. I remember sitting in Liberty Bowl Stadium in Memphis the week before this show (July 4, actually) and being blown away by Ronnie to the point of thinking that they wouldn't miss MT at all! Then after hearing LYL I thought maybe the "herbs" had gotten to me a little.
This is a real triumph for Ronnie. The best I have heard him play as a Stone (insert IMHO disclaimer here). The rest of the band is firing on all cylinders, just running off the road every now and then! Great "warts and all" presentation!
This was the perfect release for me, I am completely rediscovering '75!
Ross
Re: Forget the rumours, the new boot IS LA '75!
Posted by:
Laughingsam
()
Date: April 3, 2012 23:08
Quote
kowalski
They can't "kick out" because they have compressed so much the sound.
You're right. Compression works well on mid-range frequencies. It can make guitars sound more cutting or thicker, but it should be applied strategically and here they mucked up the drums a bit. They did the same thing on the Brussels release, but they got a lot of stuff right with both mixes. Everything's a tradeoff when mastering and I like the finished product even though it's not perfect.
Re: Forget the rumours, the new boot IS LA '75!
Posted by:
NoCode0680
()
Date: April 3, 2012 23:11
Quote
Slick
flacs just went up on usenet, downloading now yessssssssssssss
I always hear people talking about usenet or newsgroup, but I never know what/where people are talking about.
Re: Forget the rumours, the new boot IS LA '75!
Posted by:
Honestman
()
Date: April 3, 2012 23:11
Quote
LieB
...
So now they got the best "Ronnie tours" covered pretty well -- it's about time they make a proper '72 live album!!! (I will be disappointed if none of these six archive releases are from that tour.)
Here's my wishes
One 1967 show
El Mocambo 77
One 1970 show
El Mocambo 77
One 1971 show
El Mocambo 77
One 1972 show
El Mocambo 77
One 1982 show
El Mocambo 77
In this list , you could see , which one I want for the next release
HMN
StonesCave
Re: Forget the rumours, the new boot IS LA '75!
Posted by:
NoCode0680
()
Date: April 3, 2012 23:13
Quote
Honestman
Quote
LieB
...
So now they got the best "Ronnie tours" covered pretty well -- it's about time they make a proper '72 live album!!! (I will be disappointed if none of these six archive releases are from that tour.)
Here's my wishes
One 1967 show
El Mocambo 77
One 1970 show
El Mocambo 77
One 1971 show
El Mocambo 77
One 1972 show
El Mocambo 77
One 1982 show
El Mocambo 77
In this list , you could see , which one I want for the next release
Looks like you have an El Mocamboner
Re: Forget the rumours, the new boot IS LA '75!
Posted by:
Lil' Brian
()
Date: April 3, 2012 23:14
We've need a nice '75 recording for so long... and now we have it. I'd guess this means we'll get '70-71 next? 
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-04-03 23:17 by Lil' Brian.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-04-03 23:17 by Lil' Brian.
Re: Forget the rumours, the new boot IS LA '75!
Posted by:
muenke
()
Date: April 3, 2012 23:18
Quote
Ross
For me this is great because,due to the lack of Soundboard recordings, I just never listened to the TOTA '75 stuff much. This tour is obviously so much better than I ever gave it credit.
Yes, Jagger is obviously wasted. He really flubs a lot of lines...but his singing is pretty good (maybe a little too much growling at times) and the drunken delivery is something that makes this show unique. He is kind of weird but kind of funny.
Good raunchy quality to the whole show. Ronnie is playing more in the MT style than the style he developed later on...and that is great! He isn't as fluid as Mr. Taylor, but he is really nailing it. I remember sitting in Liberty Bowl Stadium in Memphis the week before this show (July 4, actually) and being blown away by Ronnie to the point of thinking that they wouldn't miss MT at all! Then after hearing LYL I thought maybe the "herbs" had gotten to me a little.
This is a real triumph for Ronnie. The best I have heard him play as a Stone (insert IMHO disclaimer here). The rest of the band is firing on all cylinders, just running off the road every now and then! Great "warts and all" presentation!
This was the perfect release for me, I am completely rediscovering '75!
Ross
Sir, you are right, just my thoughts, too ......
Re: Forget the rumours, the new boot IS LA '75!
Posted by:
kowalski
()
Date: April 3, 2012 23:21
Quote
Laughingsam
Quote
kowalski
They can't "kick out" because they have compressed so much the sound.
You're right. Compression works well on mid-range frequencies. It can make guitars sound more cutting or thicker, but it should be applied strategically and here they mucked up the drums a bit. They did the same thing on the Brussels release, but they got a lot of stuff right with both mixes. Everything's a tradeoff when mastering and I like the finished product even though it's not perfect.
They got many things right : clear sound and good balance between instruments for instance. But I guess this is due to Bob Clearmountain's magic. Just I wish they keep dynamics safe and don't make everything sounds flat when releasing it to the public (or the fans as a matter of fact).
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-04-03 23:22 by kowalski.
Re: Forget the rumours, the new boot IS LA '75!
Posted by:
RobertJohnson
()
Date: April 3, 2012 23:33
Sympathy ... a legacy of Ronnies guitar skills, the best version I ever heard.
Re: Forget the rumours, the new boot IS LA '75!
Posted by:
barbabang
()
Date: April 3, 2012 23:34
Quote
kowalski
Quote
Laughingsam
Quote
kowalski
They can't "kick out" because they have compressed so much the sound.
You're right. Compression works well on mid-range frequencies. It can make guitars sound more cutting or thicker, but it should be applied strategically and here they mucked up the drums a bit. They did the same thing on the Brussels release, but they got a lot of stuff right with both mixes. Everything's a tradeoff when mastering and I like the finished product even though it's not perfect.
They got many things right : clear sound and good balance between instruments for instance. But I guess this is due to Bob Clearmountain's magic. Just I wish they keep dynamics safe and don't make everything sounds flat when releasing it to the public (or the fans as a matter of fact).
I'm forced to agree with most speakers here about the sound quality. Way too much compressed. Like others have said I miss the 'kick' in Charlie's drums, and so on. Nevertheless great to have this in great stereo.
Re: Forget the rumours, the new boot IS LA '75!
Posted by:
LieB
()
Date: April 3, 2012 23:35
Quote
Ross
For me this is great because,due to the lack of Soundboard recordings, I just never listened to the TOTA '75 stuff much. This tour is obviously so much better than I ever gave it credit.
Yes, Jagger is obviously wasted. He really flubs a lot of lines...but his singing is pretty good (maybe a little too much growling at times) and the drunken delivery is something that makes this show unique. He is kind of weird but kind of funny.
Good raunchy quality to the whole show. Ronnie is playing more in the MT style than the style he developed later on...and that is great! He isn't as fluid as Mr. Taylor, but he is really nailing it. I remember sitting in Liberty Bowl Stadium in Memphis the week before this show (July 4, actually) and being blown away by Ronnie to the point of thinking that they wouldn't miss MT at all! Then after hearing LYL I thought maybe the "herbs" had gotten to me a little.
This is a real triumph for Ronnie. The best I have heard him play as a Stone (insert IMHO disclaimer here). The rest of the band is firing on all cylinders, just running off the road every now and then! Great "warts and all" presentation!
This was the perfect release for me, I am completely rediscovering '75!
Ross
Nice analysis, I agree with most of it.
It is pretty cool that they actually made such a straightforward, undoctored release of a pretty drug-fuelled, shall we say "slurry" concert. I know, it's awesome and probably one of the best performances of '75-'76, but listen to Keith singing the whole second verse of Happy on the wrong beat and then lose it on the chorus ... and realize that this download is officially sanctioned by Jagger.
Re: Forget the rumours, the new boot IS LA '75!
Posted by:
Mathijs
()
Date: April 3, 2012 23:37
Quote
Ross
Yes, Jagger is obviously wasted. He really flubs a lot of lines...
Er, I sure hope we all know and understand it is a stage act by Jagger, that it was his intention to sound like this on this tour. It is his stage persona, much like Bowie invented stage persona's and alter ego's.
I mean, it's not real.
Mathijs
Re: Forget the rumours, the new boot IS LA '75!
Posted by:
barbabang
()
Date: April 3, 2012 23:46
Sublime version from Get Off Of My Cloud. I really like Keith's solo and Bill bass and Billy little touches on the keys.
Re: Forget the rumours, the new boot IS LA '75!
Posted by:
shadooby
()
Date: April 3, 2012 23:48
Any back/inlay cd artwork yet. Whoever did Brussels and Hampton did a fine job...you out there?
Re: Forget the rumours, the new boot IS LA '75!
Posted by:
kowalski
()
Date: April 4, 2012 00:00
Quote
shadooby
Any back/inlay cd artwork yet. Whoever did Brussels and Hampton did a fine job...you out there?
There's one already available on the Buy/Sell/Trade forum : [www.iorr.org]
Re: Forget the rumours, the new boot IS LA '75!
Posted by:
Honestman
()
Date: April 4, 2012 00:01
Quote
shadooby
Any back/inlay cd artwork yet. Whoever did Brussels and Hampton did a fine job...you out there?
see here
iorr
HMN
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