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Am I the only one who thinks MR sucks and goes nowhere...?

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Rockman
Am I the only one who thinks MR sucks and goes nowhere...?


....eeerrr he was good in Angel Heart and is often a guest at different film festivals around the globe

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Rockman
Am I the only one who thinks MR sucks and goes nowhere...?


....eeerrr he was good in Angel Heart and is often a guest at different film festivals around the globe

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Munichhilton
I need something that is clearly apathetic.....still searching

"oh who cares what you think" without even a question mark works for me

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Justin
There is a fantastic exchange of guitars on "Midnight Rambler" during the middle part ("Don't do that" that I've never heard anywhere else. It puts a smile on my face whenever I listen to it.

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Whatever floats your boat?... Different strokes for different folks?

I absolutely felt the need to do this...

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Reagan
The video interviews with Mick and Keith for this release contains some nice comments from Keith about Ronnie, Brian, and Mick Taylor. I transcribed the part about Mick Taylor. Tried to keep the words authentic to the delivery.

"Mick Taylor, he was a spectacular lead player.
Before that, when I worked with Brian Jones, we was more interlocked. It was more rhythm and lead. There wasn't that seperation. Everything. With Mick Taylor there was more seperation between rhythm and lead - at least live. Not so much on record. On live. And quite rightly so, because he was a beautifully fluent player. And also it gave me a change to sit down - sit on those riffs, you know. Which is what I loved to do. I love a good riff to sit on."

What I found interesting is that this is the first time I've heard Keith say something positive about playing with a guitarist (MT) whose style more or less forced him into the riff/rhythm role.

Nothing earth shattering. Just interesting. To me.

-R

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The video interviews with Mick and Keith for this release contains some nice comments from Keith about Ronnie, Brian, and Mick Taylor. I transcribed the part about Mick Taylor. Tried to keep the words authentic to the delivery.

"Mick Taylor, he was a spectacular lead player.
Before that, when I worked with Brian Jones, we was more interlocked. It was more rhythm and lead. There wasn't that seperation. Everything. With Mick Taylor there was more seperation between rhythm and lead - at least live. Not so much on record. On live. And quite rightly so, because he was a beautifully fluent player. And also it gave me a change to sit down - sit on those riffs, you know. Which is what I loved to do. I love a good riff to sit on."

What I found interesting is that this is the first time I've heard Keith say something positive about playing with a guitarist (MT) whose style more or less forced him into the riff/rhythm role.

Nothing earth shattering. Just interesting. To me.

-R

Interesting that his opinion of it has changed, or maybe he's simply learned to be more respectful of his former fellow musicians!?

Imo post 1969 US tour the sound of the band was damaged and inferior due to the lack of Keith lead guitar playing. By 1970 the increase in Taylor lead lines, plus the addition of horns etc didn't leave that much room for Keith to do much except play riffs and rhythms.

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Keith doesn't really play lead or solo on Midnight Rambler and yer missing out that during songs Taylor plays a lot of lead lines.

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I just noticed, 6 cover songs in 1970!

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Ross
I just noticed, 6 cover songs in 1970!

But they didn't play them all at every date. F.i.Let it rock wasn't played too often in 70 . .

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Doxa
Yeah,.. what can I say... With BRUSSELS AFFAIR and HAMPTON '81 - and we could say SOME GIRLS LIVE LIVE 1978 belongs to it as well - they started a series that is strongest set of recorded rock concerts the world ever have seen.. and LA FORUM surely doesn't let us down either. Musically speaking we live at the moment the greatest period since VERY old days... we are in a very privileged position: comparing the peaks with the other peaks... For me picking up the 'favourite' is a matter of the day, and its changes daily. The fame of BRUSSELS and its peak position is something taken for granted, but then: hearing it mixed new way, and having not yet heard performances gave it a new life. But then SOME GIRLS LIVE IN 1978 just exploded the whole scene, and I was sure that 1978 was the absolute peak of not only Woodie but of all yaers... But then HAMPTON made me to rethink that judgemnet - and now LA FORUM seriosly again... Of course, NOW it feels that LA FORUM, and teh band of 1975 - is the "best Stones ever"...

There is something so unique in each tour in the sense that it had so strong individual features which none else does.. So the possibility to have a 'new'concert in every second months or so gives a nice time to 'taste' and think and grasp and enjoy and reflect its wonderful features, which also offers such a great to celebrate the greatness of this incredible band. I don't even try to be objective about LA FORUM yet. I just... enjoy loving it - every little detail in it; all those sloppy mo,ents, screw ups, Jagger's lost persona, the funky decadence,... just perfect! Those guys define rock and roll (to not forget "sex" and "drugs" either...)

Wow - what an indredible year to be a Rolling Stones fan...

- Doxa

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You can't change the dynamics once they're already squashed.

I listened to Captain Acid's Hampton81 "remaster" and there was no change

Because he almost hadn't anything changed. If I remember well he only had the sound lowered and did some slight EQ adjustements.

So what was changed with the GS track you heard?

Well balanced sound, less compressed and with no harshness, guitars that don't sound "metallic", drums that kick and full fat bass sound - not squashed like on the original release, and piano notes! I don't know how Mr. Kamphuis achieved this little miracle but it really sounds good.

? It just sounds exactly the same, only lower in volume. I prefer Clearmountains version by a mile.

Mathijs

Isn't that weird? You said no difference only lower volume, and still preferring a LOUD and Brickwalled version

There are lot's of differences; Drumsound, drums & vocals slightly higher in the mix. Warmer sound. Bass adjustments etc.

Please Check with TT Dynamic Range Meter and you'll see the difference...
Lowering the volume (-3db) don't adjust the dynamic Range

No, it's not weird. I don't find the mastering to be overly compressed and limited, and certainly not 'brickwalled'. It isn't lacking in dynamics or frequency response in my opinion.

I do find though that it is mastered very modern, and you have to get used to this. We've been listening to the 75 tour for 25 years when it still sounded old fashioned, and now it suddenly sounds very modern. I guess te main reason for this is that they didn't want to spend too much time and money on the mixing. To my ears it has a tad too much loudness, it is a bit too hot for my ears. This is easily fixed by adjusting the gain, just as turning up the gain a bit helps with old vinyl records.

When something is mastered very hot, with quite a lot of limiting and compression, there's no way to revert that back. There's tricks you can apply, like taking out the midrange a bit, or a small change in the stereo image, and some less gain, but it doesn't really makes it sound better. You can even concert it to a non lossless format and back, and that will take the compression out...

Mathijs

great post. could care less what the audiophiles say, the bottom line is this blows away the old boots, and i am very very pleased.

Well physics says you're both right here. There is a phenomenem in humans listening to Audio at different VOLUMES which sates that at higher volumes (even as much as 3d our ears PERCEIVE more low and low-mid frequencies. That's why they use A and C weighted filters to truly analyze the frequency content of audio files. There is a name for it too, just can't remember it.. peace

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Well said Doxa

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Naturalust
How can you tell what the reverb is set to? Alot of times that is done to individual tracks within the mix and then blended in when the song is automated for the final mix. I don't understand how you can somehow determine at what level it is mixed into a stero master recording. Unless you have the original dry multitracks, I would think that it would be guesswork, no? Please do tell.

I hear and understand what you are saying about the dynamic range and overall level, appreciate that analysis. Thanks. peace

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Doxa
Yeah,.. what can I say... With BRUSSELS AFFAIR and HAMPTON '81 - and we could say SOME GIRLS LIVE LIVE 1978 belongs to it as well - they started a series that is strongest set of recorded rock concerts the world ever have seen.. and LA FORUM surely doesn't let us down either. Musically speaking we live at the moment the greatest period since VERY old days... we are in a very privileged position: comparing the peaks with the other peaks... For me picking up the 'favourite' is a matter of the day, and its changes daily. The fame of BRUSSELS and its peak position is something taken for granted, but then: hearing it mixed new way, and having not yet heard performances gave it a new life. But then SOME GIRLS LIVE IN 1978 just exploded the whole scene, and I was sure that 1978 was the absolute peak of not only Woodie but of all yaers... But then HAMPTON made me to rethink that judgemnet - and now LA FORUM seriosly again... Of course, NOW it feels that LA FORUM, and teh band of 1975 - is the "best Stones ever"...

best damn post in years by anyone, hands down - sheer eloquence, heart, soul and love- brilliant - thank you

There is something so unique in each tour in the sense that it had so strong individual features which none else does.. So the possibility to have a 'new'concert in every second months or so gives a nice time to 'taste' and think and grasp and enjoy and reflect its wonderful features, which also offers such a great to celebrate the greatness of this incredible band. I don't even try to be objective about LA FORUM yet. I just... enjoy loving it - every little detail in it; all those sloppy mo,ents, screw ups, Jagger's lost persona, the funky decadence,... just perfect! Those guys define rock and roll (to not forget "sex" and "drugs" either...)

Wow - what an indredible year to be a Rolling Stones fan...

- Doxa