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for the last 23 years or so...i've been the one out of my friend group that's stuck up for them when all of the old cliches' started coming out..

for the first time ever...i have a bad feeling about it...and it's just because of how Keith has been since 2005 and especially after the incident...it's the longest period of inactivity ever...and there has to be a reason for it...

cheering him on after those horrid performances as of late is pretty condescending...it's not like he doesn't have all of the money in the world to hire the best doctors ever...this is why it's troubling...just Google "Keith Richards Hands" and look at the pictures...yeesh...it's so over...and it bums me out...

I have felt for a long time that Keith's health problems - whatever they are, are the thing holding things up. They need a work-around, and how do you work around the fact that the guy who used to be the musical engine of the band can no longer do it? The obvious answer (to me) is you use both Wood and Mick Taylor to cover for Keith. This would be appropriate, as three Stones guitar legends would share the stage at the end of their career, and from a practical point of view you have two other guitarists who are very familiar with Keith's style and parts - enough to do credible versions of pretty much any Rolling Stones song. This would let Keith coast a bit and bask in the glory, and frankly he's earned it. I cannot imagine why they would opt for Jeff Beck or any other solution than this obvious one which would keep all the guitars in the hands of actual Rolling Stones. Unless of course that the animus toward Taylor is still so strong and the feelings so petty that they want to exclude him no matter what.

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Is there a press release, or anything really official about this, any where yet?

How official do you need it? The quotes came directly from Keith Richards.

Not the quote about his health - That was attributed to "stones insiders," which could very well mean that the reporter was reading the threads posted on this very board. Is Keith in bad health? @#$%& if I know! I guess not in bad health enough to record an album, though. So why don't we wait and see, instead of being a bunch of negative nancys and/or making judgments without reading the actual article - or the full version of the interview that hasn't even come out yet.

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I don´t know where the people read keith says the Stones will tour in 2013. Keith just says: no tour in 2012. And says something like "would be nice, maybe... is more realistic 2013"... but he doesn´t said the Stones will tour in 2013.

I am sorry.

Read again. If you still don't see it then read between the lines. If you are going to understand your Rolling Stones you will need to master the art of reading between the lines. I am sorry.

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I have felt for a long time that Keith's health problems - whatever they are, are the thing holding things up. They need a work-around, and how do you work around the fact that the guy who used to be the musical engine of the band can no longer do it? The obvious answer (to me) is you use both Wood and Mick Taylor to cover for Keith. This would be appropriate, as three Stones guitar legends would share the stage at the end of their career, and from a practical point of view you have two other guitarists who are very familiar with Keith's style and parts - enough to do credible versions of pretty much any Rolling Stones song. This would let Keith coast a bit and bask in the glory, and frankly he's earned it. I cannot imagine why they would opt for Jeff Beck or any other solution than this obvious one which would keep all the guitars in the hands of actual Rolling Stones. Unless of course that the animus toward Taylor is still so strong and the feelings so petty that they want to exclude him no matter what.

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I'd think this is Mick's way of letting everyone know that he's not standing in the way of the Stones performing. ...
Either way, this is all with an eye toward the Stones gearing up, not down.

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having slept on it ... if any real "Stones insiders" leaked a bandmember's personal problems to the press that way
it would a major departure from the way the Rolling Stones have always dealth with things.

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Keith Richards health has beeen a concern for tour promotors since 1972.

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I'd think this is Mick's way of letting everyone know that he's not standing in the way of the Stones performing. Keith is playing very well in the studio. If nothing unexpected happens, I would be confident that they will put together an act for the dates next year. I also wouldn't be surprised if both Bill Wyman and Mick Taylor were part of that act. As for KR, he'll be rocking. It won't be like when Pete Townshend played acoustic guitar behind glass for the Who in '89.

I also would not be surprised if the new studio recordings were part of a box set or the like rather than a full album, though that may depend on how the sessions go. Either way, this is all with an eye toward the Stonex gearing up, not down.

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I also fail to believe they will not do a one off show on 12 July 2012.

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having slept on it ... if any real "Stones insiders" leaked a bandmember's personal problems to the press that way
it would a major departure from the way the Rolling Stones have always dealth with things.

I really don't think that Rolling Stone magazine publishes this without it being sanctioned by Jagger, simple as that. 'Stones insiders' just really means Jagger.

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This is quite interesting to read, a first to me to see this in print sanctioned by the Stones:


"But Stones insiders say that one reason for the delay is Richards' health, which has raised questions about his ability to make it through a worldwide tour. The quality of the guitarist's performances declined after he suffered a head injury on vacation in Fiji in April 2006, midway through the Bigger Bang tour. Many fans observed that his playing in Martin Scorsese's Shine a Light documentary later that year was weak – and often inaudible. "

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He's probably OK to do some recording where they can take breaks and mix him in on the board but a tour presents other problems. I think he was in audible in 2006 because they dialed him down on the sound board and at other time he just didn't play. He lurked around an aful lot in 2006.

In 2005 I could hear every little mistake Keith made during shows from being wasted. Not in 2006. Then there were the set list changes. Satisfaction changed as well to what I call a rakish chord. It sounded cool but is was much easier for him to play.

I don't think there will be any shows in 2013. Just new video in studio sessions mixed wi archive releases, interviews, etc.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-03-15 12:15 by rogue.

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Interesting post by GlimmerGirl24 on Shidoobee...for what it may be worth...

According to a source I consider credible, Mick has also talked and said the tour planned for this year was 30 dates spread over a few months with ten dates each in LA at Staples, NYC at MSG and London at O2. Wyman was planning to be part of the tour. Unfortunately, the band couldn't get Keith insured for the tour. Keith has good days and bad days, on the bad days - he can't perform. At the recent Hubert Sumlin show - supposedly he was having a bad moment and that is why he was on stage without his guitar. He improved later in the show. Anyway, the Stones were unable to find a physician that would sign off that Keith was healthy enough to play the dates.

Supposedly, Keith has had mini strokes over the past several years - which might or might not be related to the brain injury, but I suspect the mini strokes were an issue before that. There were vision issues after the brain injury and that have been corrected. However, he's a stroke risk, has to avoid stimulants that raise his blood pressure and does have bad days where he can't function at the level he would need to for a tour. No insurance, no tour.

The Stones are hoping that Keith's condition will improve enough that they are able to insure him next year.

Take it all with a grain of salt, but the explanation that they are unable to insure Keith seems very credible. Mini-strokes also explains behavior we saw on the last tour. "

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Interesting post by GlimmerGirl24 on Shidoobee...for what it may be worth... At the recent Hubert Sumlin show -
supposedly [Keith] was having a bad moment and that is why he was on stage without his guitar. He improved later in the show.

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I really don't think that Rolling Stone magazine publishes this without it being sanctioned by Jagger, simple as that.
'Stones insiders' just really means Jagger.

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Interesting post by GlimmerGirl24 on Shidoobee...for what it may be worth... At the recent Hubert Sumlin show -
supposedly [Keith] was having a bad moment and that is why he was on stage without his guitar. He improved later in the show.

but but but that's silly - that number (Goin Down Slow) has a "spoken" part in between the regular sung parts.
Clapton didn't want to do the "spoken" bits and it was proposed that Keith should do it.
and since GG24's "reliable informant" got something like that all wrong, why would the rest be correct

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I really don't think that Rolling Stone magazine publishes this without it being sanctioned by Jagger, simple as that.
'Stones insiders' just really means Jagger.

i understand that's your theory, Mathijs - and you're entitled to speculate just like everybody else