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dewlover
But Tele, if they REALLY feel the way they post, they have no reason to buy a ticket...
WLTPTB, they are "right" if they think the band isn't good enough to see live...The more who feel that way, the better it is for me...

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dewlover
What I don't give a crap about is all the @#$%& comments flooding this MB about how the Stones aren't up to it, blah blah blah, so inanely unhip, ignorant and boring...I wish they'd all just get lost..
What if those @#$%& comments are right?
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dewlover
But Tele, if they REALLY feel the way they post, they have no reason to buy a ticket...
WLTPTB, they are "right" if they think the band isn't good enough to see live...The more who feel that way, the better it is for me...
I think you are making a stretch that I don't agree with: That people who post critical opinions about the band somehow don't want to, or don't deserve to see the band. What I find really frustrating is the idea that some people have that some of us who use our powers of judgment and observation, and our critical faculties to say what we think about this or that aspect of the band are somehow not "true fans" or are "naysayers". I think that is nonsense.
One can love something and be critical at the same time, particularly about artists who have been around so long and have so many apsects to their music and careers. A band that has its two main protagonists often at loggerheads, and who have not produced a note of music in five years invites speculation and criticism. There is nothing wrong with that, and some of the more manic defenders here should frankly develop a thicker skin. It's tough love!

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memphiscats
Well put, Tele.Quote
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dewlover
But Tele, if they REALLY feel the way they post, they have no reason to buy a ticket...
WLTPTB, they are "right" if they think the band isn't good enough to see live...The more who feel that way, the better it is for me...
I think you are making a stretch that I don't agree with: That people who post critical opinions about the band somehow don't want to, or don't deserve to see the band. What I find really frustrating is the idea that some people have that some of us who use our powers of judgment and observation, and our critical faculties to say what we think about this or that aspect of the band are somehow not "true fans" or are "naysayers". I think that is nonsense.
One can love something and be critical at the same time, particularly about artists who have been around so long and have so many apsects to their music and careers. A band that has its two main protagonists often at loggerheads, and who have not produced a note of music in five years invites speculation and criticism. There is nothing wrong with that, and some of the more manic defenders here should frankly develop a thicker skin. It's tough love!
From what I've read in this thread, I think this is a case of agree to disagree - whatever the hell that really means...but my observation from the 26 pages: Yes, we'd like them to tour again - but only if they'll be great. But what is GREAT? To quote a line from a corny movie that I like - altered to fit Stones' fans...You love the Stones but have they ever loved you back? Damn straight they have - even if they never tour again, their music will play on & steal your heart away...
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memphiscats
Well put, Tele.Quote
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dewlover
But Tele, if they REALLY feel the way they post, they have no reason to buy a ticket...
WLTPTB, they are "right" if they think the band isn't good enough to see live...The more who feel that way, the better it is for me...
I think you are making a stretch that I don't agree with: That people who post critical opinions about the band somehow don't want to, or don't deserve to see the band. What I find really frustrating is the idea that some people have that some of us who use our powers of judgment and observation, and our critical faculties to say what we think about this or that aspect of the band are somehow not "true fans" or are "naysayers". I think that is nonsense.
One can love something and be critical at the same time, particularly about artists who have been around so long and have so many apsects to their music and careers. A band that has its two main protagonists often at loggerheads, and who have not produced a note of music in five years invites speculation and criticism. There is nothing wrong with that, and some of the more manic defenders here should frankly develop a thicker skin. It's tough love!
From what I've read in this thread, I think this is a case of agree to disagree - whatever the hell that really means...but my observation from the 26 pages: Yes, we'd like them to tour again - but only if they'll be great. But what is GREAT? To quote a line from a corny movie that I like - altered to fit Stones' fans...You love the Stones but have they ever loved you back? Damn straight they have - even if they never tour again, their music will play on & steal your heart away...
Memphiscats, I'd settle for them being good! And if they choose never to tour again, I'll be just fine.

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black n blue
Can't figure out the set list yet!
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black n blue
Can't figure out the set list yet!
You wanted it, now you get it:
1. Jumping Jack Flash
2. You Got Me Rocking
3. Fifty Years In A Hole (new song)
4. Ruby Tuesday (performed by the Tim Ries Project)
5. She's A Rainbow (performed by the Tim Ries Project)
6. Honky Tonk Women
7. It's Only Rock'n'Roll
8. You Got The Silver (performed by Blondie Chaplin)
9. Medley: Little T&A / Wanna Hold You (performed by the Blondie Chaplin Band)
10.Medley: Si Si Je Suis Un Rock Star/Time Waits For No One (performed by the Wyman-Taylor Band
11.The Last Time
12.Brown Sugar
13.Satisfaction
Encores
14. You Can't Always Get What You Want (short version)
15. Down The Road Apiece (Chuck Leavell solo performance)
16. I'm Free (grande finale, all participating musicians on stage) (live-singalong to pre-recorded backing track)
This the setlist how it was leaked early this week. Subject to change as time progresses.
PS: Don't shoot me, I'm only the messenger.
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black n blue
Can't figure out the set list yet!
You wanted it, now you get it:
1. Jumping Jack Flash
2. You Got Me Rocking
3. Fifty Years In A Hole (new song)
4. Ruby Tuesday (performed by the Tim Ries Project)
5. She's A Rainbow (performed by the Tim Ries Project)
6. Honky Tonk Women
7. It's Only Rock'n'Roll
8. You Got The Silver (performed by Blondie Chaplin)
9. Medley: Little T&A / Wanna Hold You (performed by the Blondie Chaplin Band)
10.Medley: Si Si Je Suis Un Rock Star/Time Waits For No One (performed by the Wyman-Taylor Band
11.The Last Time
12.Brown Sugar
13.Satisfaction
Encores
14. You Can't Always Get What You Want (short version)
15. Down The Road Apiece (Chuck Leavell solo performance)
16. I'm Free (grande finale, all participating musicians on stage) (live-singalong to pre-recorded backing track)
This is the setlist how it was leaked early this week. Subject to change as time progresses.
PS: Don't shoot me, I'm only the messenger.
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SweetThing
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black n blue
Can't figure out the set list yet!
You wanted it, now you get it:
1. Jumping Jack Flash
2. You Got Me Rocking
3. Fifty Years In A Hole (new song)
4. Ruby Tuesday (performed by the Tim Ries Project)
5. She's A Rainbow (performed by the Tim Ries Project)
6. Honky Tonk Women
7. It's Only Rock'n'Roll
8. You Got The Silver (performed by Blondie Chaplin)
9. Medley: Little T&A / Wanna Hold You (performed by the Blondie Chaplin Band)
10.Medley: Si Si Je Suis Un Rock Star/Time Waits For No One (performed by the Wyman-Taylor Band
11.The Last Time
12.Brown Sugar
13.Satisfaction
Encores
14. You Can't Always Get What You Want (short version)
15. Down The Road Apiece (Chuck Leavell solo performance)
16. I'm Free (grande finale, all participating musicians on stage) (live-singalong to pre-recorded backing track)
This is the setlist how it was leaked early this week. Subject to change as time progresses.
PS: Don't shoot me, I'm only the messenger.
First change has already leaked.
Jumping Jack Flash will now be performed by Bernard Fowler and Waddy Wachtel. More exciting additions ahead are promised.
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black n blue
Can't figure out the set list yet!
You wanted it, now you get it:
1. Jumping Jack Flash
2. You Got Me Rocking
3. Fifty Years In A Hole (new song)
4. Ruby Tuesday (performed by the Tim Ries Project)
5. She's A Rainbow (performed by the Tim Ries Project)
6. Honky Tonk Women
7. It's Only Rock'n'Roll
8. You Got The Silver (performed by Blondie Chaplin)
9. Medley: Little T&A / Wanna Hold You (performed by the Blondie Chaplin Band)
10.Medley: Si Si Je Suis Un Rock Star/Time Waits For No One (performed by the Wyman-Taylor Band
11.The Last Time
12.Brown Sugar
13.Satisfaction
Encores
14. You Can't Always Get What You Want (short version)
15. Down The Road Apiece (Chuck Leavell solo performance)
16. I'm Free (grande finale, all participating musicians on stage) (live-singalong to pre-recorded backing track)
This is the setlist how it was leaked early this week. Subject to change as time progresses.
PS: Don't shoot me, I'm only the messenger.
First change has already leaked.
Jumping Jack Flash will now be performed by Bernard Fowler and Waddy Wachtel. More exciting additions ahead are promised.
What a bunch of total silliness. I am looking forward to the 2013 world tour, and it will be nothing like the crap described above. It will be mainly war horses played at a good to superior level, as always, and with a few surprises thrown in for good measure. I plan on having a blast. The rest of you can whine, moan, and bellyache if you wish. I will not allow a few chronic malcontents to spoil my party.

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memphiscats
What about songs from Exile...I need Exile...I crave Exile...
I can't get no
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memphiscats
What about songs from Exile...I need Exile...I crave Exile...
I can't get no
How about this for a setlist then?
1. Rocks Off
2. Rip This Joint
3. Shake Your Hips
4. Casino Boogie
5. Tumbling Dice
6. Sweet Virginia
7. Torn & Frayed
8. Sweet Black Angel
9. Loving Cup
10. Happy
11. Turd On The Run
12. Ventilator Blues
13. I Just Want To See His Face
14. Let It Loose
15. All Down The Line
16. Stop Breaking Down
17. Shine A Light
18. Soul Survivor
______________________
Encore: Plundered My Soul
Wyman on bass, M. Taylor on guitar
This is all I need for a Stones show.

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rollmops
Is the "band camping out for mutli-night runs in arenas, similar to Prince's recent stands in New York and Los Angeles(RollingStoneMag. page19&22)" really considered because Keith Richards' health issues or because it is less expensive for however is going to produce the expected but not signed yet tour? Tour travelling in 2012 isn't has tough as it was in 1969. The "camping" stuff put the burden of most of us the fans unless you live near the "camping".
Rock and Roll,
Mops
These 70-year old men are simply not going to be traveling the world playing gynormous football stadiums like in the glory days - if you consider those the glory days, which I don't. For the reasons you mentioned and a dozen others, the days of "touring" are over.
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Stoneage
Pirates of The Caribbean IV?
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SweetThing
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black n blue
Can't figure out the set list yet!
You wanted it, now you get it:
1. Jumping Jack Flash
2. You Got Me Rocking
3. Fifty Years In A Hole (new song)
4. Ruby Tuesday (performed by the Tim Ries Project)
5. She's A Rainbow (performed by the Tim Ries Project)
6. Honky Tonk Women
7. It's Only Rock'n'Roll
8. You Got The Silver (performed by Blondie Chaplin)
9. Medley: Little T&A / Wanna Hold You (performed by the Blondie Chaplin Band)
10.Medley: Si Si Je Suis Un Rock Star/Time Waits For No One (performed by the Wyman-Taylor Band
11.The Last Time
12.Brown Sugar
13.Satisfaction
Encores
14. You Can't Always Get What You Want (short version)
15. Down The Road Apiece (Chuck Leavell solo performance)
16. I'm Free (grande finale, all participating musicians on stage) (live-singalong to pre-recorded backing track)
This is the setlist how it was leaked early this week. Subject to change as time progresses.
PS: Don't shoot me, I'm only the messenger.
First change has already leaked.
Jumping Jack Flash will now be performed by Bernard Fowler and Waddy Wachtel. More exciting additions ahead are promised.
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71Tele
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memphiscats
What about songs from Exile...I need Exile...I crave Exile...
I can't get no
How about this for a setlist then?
1. Rocks Off
2. Rip This Joint
3. Shake Your Hips
4. Casino Boogie
5. Tumbling Dice
6. Sweet Virginia
7. Torn & Frayed
8. Sweet Black Angel
9. Loving Cup
10. Happy
11. Turd On The Run
12. Ventilator Blues
13. I Just Want To See His Face
14. Let It Loose
15. All Down The Line
16. Stop Breaking Down
17. Shine A Light
18. Soul Survivor
______________________
Encore: Plundered My Soul
Wyman on bass, M. Taylor on guitar
This is all I need for a Stones show.

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WeLoveToPlayTheBlues
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SweetThing
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black n blue
Can't figure out the set list yet!
You wanted it, now you get it:
1. Jumping Jack Flash
2. You Got Me Rocking
3. Fifty Years In A Hole (new song)
4. Ruby Tuesday (performed by the Tim Ries Project)
5. She's A Rainbow (performed by the Tim Ries Project)
6. Honky Tonk Women
7. It's Only Rock'n'Roll
8. You Got The Silver (performed by Blondie Chaplin)
9. Medley: Little T&A / Wanna Hold You (performed by the Blondie Chaplin Band)
10.Medley: Si Si Je Suis Un Rock Star/Time Waits For No One (performed by the Wyman-Taylor Band
11.The Last Time
12.Brown Sugar
13.Satisfaction
Encores
14. You Can't Always Get What You Want (short version)
15. Down The Road Apiece (Chuck Leavell solo performance)
16. I'm Free (grande finale, all participating musicians on stage) (live-singalong to pre-recorded backing track)
This is the setlist how it was leaked early this week. Subject to change as time progresses.
PS: Don't shoot me, I'm only the messenger.
First change has already leaked.
Jumping Jack Flash will now be performed by Bernard Fowler and Waddy Wachtel. More exciting additions ahead are promised.
When was the pre-recorded backing track recorded? Previously?
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memphiscats
What about songs from Exile...I need Exile...I crave Exile...
I can't get no
How about this for a setlist then?
1. Rocks Off
2. Rip This Joint
3. Shake Your Hips
4. Casino Boogie
5. Tumbling Dice
6. Sweet Virginia
7. Torn & Frayed
8. Sweet Black Angel
9. Loving Cup
10. Happy
11. Turd On The Run
12. Ventilator Blues
13. I Just Want To See His Face
14. Let It Loose
15. All Down The Line
16. Stop Breaking Down
17. Shine A Light
18. Soul Survivor
______________________
Encore: Plundered My Soul
Wyman on bass, M. Taylor on guitar
This is all I need for a Stones show.
Lose PMS and I´m with you

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Justin
I've stepped out of this thread for a bit...has hbwriter revealed his "scoop" yet?
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alimente
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WeLoveToPlayTheBlues
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SweetThing
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black n blue
Can't figure out the set list yet!
You wanted it, now you get it:
1. Jumping Jack Flash
2. You Got Me Rocking
3. Fifty Years In A Hole (new song)
4. Ruby Tuesday (performed by the Tim Ries Project)
5. She's A Rainbow (performed by the Tim Ries Project)
6. Honky Tonk Women
7. It's Only Rock'n'Roll
8. You Got The Silver (performed by Blondie Chaplin)
9. Medley: Little T&A / Wanna Hold You (performed by the Blondie Chaplin Band)
10.Medley: Si Si Je Suis Un Rock Star/Time Waits For No One (performed by the Wyman-Taylor Band
11.The Last Time
12.Brown Sugar
13.Satisfaction
Encores
14. You Can't Always Get What You Want (short version)
15. Down The Road Apiece (Chuck Leavell solo performance)
16. I'm Free (grande finale, all participating musicians on stage) (live-singalong to pre-recorded backing track)
This is the setlist how it was leaked early this week. Subject to change as time progresses.
PS: Don't shoot me, I'm only the messenger.
First change has already leaked.
Jumping Jack Flash will now be performed by Bernard Fowler and Waddy Wachtel. More exciting additions ahead are promised.
When was the pre-recorded backing track recorded? Previously?
You mean recently? Well, it's the original 1965 backing track, so "recently recorded" is stretching it a bit far, but,on the positive side, this 1965 backing track was remixed by Dave Stewart and DJ Bobo some weeks ago to make it sound a bit more, eh, contemporary.
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rollmops
Is the "band camping out for mutli-night runs in arenas, similar to Prince's recent stands in New York and Los Angeles(RollingStoneMag. page19&22)" really considered because Keith Richards' health issues or because it is less expensive for however is going to produce the expected but not signed yet tour? Tour travelling in 2012 isn't has tough as it was in 1969. The "camping" stuff put the burden of most of us the fans unless you live near the "camping".
Rock and Roll,
Mops
These 70-year old men are simply not going to be traveling the world playing gynormous football stadiums like in the glory days - if you consider those the glory days, which I don't. For the reasons you mentioned and a dozen others, the days of "touring" are over.
I'll be the first to admit when I'm wrong but I do think even if the tour is not as lengthy as it was in the past it will be much the same as it has been. Huge shows, stadiums and a few theaters here and there.
It's not that it's what I want or think they should do. It's just as Gazza points out, huge sums of money is what makes the Stones roll and I just don't see a performance at all without it being as big as ever.
Despite being 70, I think they are all capable of doing it again. The shows are taxing on their endurance but the travel is made pretty comfortable and easier than if I had to haul my ass around 30 cities.
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Justin
I've stepped out of this thread for a bit...has hbwriter revealed his "scoop" yet?