"Basically, we're not ready." Keith says. Hmm...the only thing they have on their schedule right now is studio work starting next month, nothing else.

Something defintiely has happened in the planning for a 2012 tour. Whatever the reason may be...I doubt it will improve in another 12 months...

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Justin, talk to me before the BB Bowl show. Don't even think about driving to the Bowl, park n ride is the only way to go, and cheap!

Oh I know! But don't worry I'm good...I like to park near Amoeba Records (free street parking) and walk the way up. It's a bit of a trek but I use it as part of my exercise routine (sadly).

if you look at the video of keith recently and compare to the video last year after the peter wolf concert he looks very much thinner.. i wonder if he has had an illness and is still recovering..

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Gazza´s post on RocksOff:


Re: the stones to play again(update: tour now in 2
Reply #303 - Today at 11:12am
yep.

In all seriousness though, its evident that something's happened in literally the
last couple of weeks to change what plans they had.

The Stones office getting Ronnie's passport sorted for some 'extensive
travelling' within the last month proves that they really were planning to tour
later this year.

Putting two and two together (and probably getting five), it just strikes me that
the recent live appearances by Keith made someone - be it the band themselves or
a would-be insurer or promoter - think twice about any prolonged touring in the
short run.

I think Gazza has it right.

Keith's performances are probably part of the reason at least for the tour idea to be shut down. It would be a train wreck. The Sumlin and Chuck Berry shows make this clear.

It's also possible Jagger has decided, despite being in infinitely better form than Richards, that he himself cannot sustain the physical commitments of a tour to his standards either.

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Gazza´s post on RocksOff:


Re: the stones to play again(update: tour now in 2
Reply #303 - Today at 11:12am
yep.

In all serious... on a tour.

If Gazza wants to say something, he can come here and say it himself.

If I want to quote someone who always finds the right words (and who doesn´t
post here anymore for whatever reason) I can do so.


47 shows...and counting...Hyde Park - July 6 & 13

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"A top concert-business source confirms the reservations over Richards’ condition and suggests that it is more likely that the band will avoid traveling in favor of camping out in major cities for multinight runs in arenas, similar to Prince's recent stands in New York and Los Angeles".

Not trying to be a wise guy, but I remember proposing this idea about a year ago on this forum. Of course I was "gunned down" by some of the regulars here.

There were a number of us that suggested this, myself included though I may have suggested 5-6 cities between U.S. and Europe. I still think it makes sense. And maybe make a couple of the shows a pay-per-view since obviously not everyone is going to make it to the actual shows.

Well, this is sort of a relief - at least now we have another year to save up for ticket money.

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Keith's performances are probably part of the reason at least for the tour idea to be shut down. It would be a train wreck. The Sumlin and Chuck Berry shows make this clear.

I would imagine that when the Stones got together to jam it was evident then that Keith wasn't in shape to tour. I doubt that he was kicking ass that day but then pulled a 180 and sucked at the tribute performances.

I feel like the old Faces tune ...... "glad and sorry". Or maybe "Mixed Emotions".

So this is the end of the stones as an official touring band.

Sad news.

I am going to cancel my plane trip and hotel reservation for London, July 12th.

:-(

And did I happen to miss any news on this documentary? This is the first I've heard of it. It's great that it's happening and no doubt it will get a lot of hype considering the anniversary but I do hope it's really well done.

I can see how they'd want the documentary and the new album to propel them into a new tour outing. I remember watching The Who's "Amazing Journey" and thinking, "Damn, now I want to see the Who live." So maybe they want to time it accordingly? (I'm just trying to see it on their end, making SOME kind of positive spin here)

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Gazza´s post on RocksOff:


Re: the stones to play again(update: tour now in 2
Reply #303 - Today at 11:12am
yep.

In all seriousness though, its evident that something's happened in literally the
last couple of weeks to change what plans they had.

The Stones office getting Ronnie's passport sorted for some 'extensive
travelling' within the last month proves that they really were planning to tour
later this year.

Whilst I never heard a SINGLE venue even strongly rumoured, everything pointed to
a series of extended runs in a few American cities in the latter part of the
year. Just a few days ago, Mike Love of the Beach Boys even mentioned that the
reason that HIS band were touring in the summer was because he knew the Stones
would be on the road in the fall.

I had heard rumours that Downsview Park in Toronto (site of the SARSstock show) was booked for sometime late August/Early sept. Clearly, though, that's not the case.

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personally i just don't see multiple nights in major cities. how many people would travel to see the stones in LA, chicago, NY, boston? mick has said 60% of the audience at a stadium show have never seen the band before.

Travel is easy. Getting tickets will be the hard part.

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personally i just don't see multiple nights in major cities. how many people would travel to see the stones in LA, chicago, NY, boston? mick has said 60% of the audience at a stadium show have never seen the band before.

Throw in a Mick Taylor and a Bill Wyman...I don't see it as an impossbility.

As always, we don't know the real reason(s) it ain't happening in 2012. Who knows what went on in that jam room with all of them, including Wyman. Maybe the reality of the years stared them in the face. If they haven't even started on a new album, then maybe they've decided to do their best, knowing it's near the end. (If not the end itself). I'm thankful for the periodic downloads, with more to come. Let them do whatever they feel is right. Keith is definitely the most out of shape, stage wise. And Mick will not tour with a sub par Stones. We appear to be approaching the end of the group. Let them get their ducks in a row so they can go out with a good feeling.

It's sad, but at least now I can start planning other things

i want to be optimistic on this and see a good sign in the "studio sessions" ahead, hope something good will be cooked there

If I were Mick, I would view the upcoming studio work as a true test to how much the entire unit can really deliver.

Here's my prediction.....
2012 - record new album - and do all the other stuff.......docs, more outtakes, open supermarkets..., etc
Autumn 2012 - rehearse - play some of it live in a few small clubs to warm up..
2013 - 50 cities worldwide........extra multiple shows in some
Kick off...MSG - Jan 2013 - (I've thought that likely for awhile)
Short US tour........
South America, Australia, (and not forgetting Colonial - NZ) Japan etc........break
Europe - summer 2013..........break
Another short US tour in the late autumn
Maybe a return to London just before xmas to finish off.........
The Fat lady sings

All the above with Mick Taylor, Bill Wyman and other guests included as and when needed.......

I met a woman and she told me...."well baby...... well the blues ain't bad"...........



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Here's my prediction.....
2012 - record new album - and do all the other stuff.......docs, more outtakes, open supermarkets..., etc
Autumn 2012 - rehearse - play some of it plus it live in a few small clubs to warm up..
2013 - 50 cities worldwide........extra multiple shows in some
Kick off...MSG - Jan 2013 - (I've thought that likely for awhile)
Short US tour........
South America, Australia, Japan etc........break
Europe - summer 2013..........break
Another short US tour in the late autumn
Maybe a return to London just before xmas to finish off.........
The Fat lady sings

All the above with Mick Taylor, Bill Wyman and other guests included as and when needed.......

I hope you are right!!

What's your favourite flavour?...........Cherry Red!!

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Thanks for posting.

What's wrong with Keith?

50 years of hard living? He hasn't been quite the same since the brain surgery, and then there's the arthritis (although travelling wouldn't really affect that I don't think)

Why hasn't anybody mentioned this before?

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Here's my prediction.....
2012 - record new album - and do all the other stuff.......docs, more outtakes, open supermarkets..., etc
Autumn 2012 - rehearse - play some of it plus it live in a few small clubs to warm up..
2013 - 50 cities worldwide........extra multiple shows in some
Kick off...MSG - Jan 2013 - (I've thought that likely for awhile)
Short US tour........
South America, Australia, Japan etc........break
Europe - summer 2013..........break
Another short US tour in the late autumn
Maybe a return to London just before xmas to finish off.........
The Fat lady sings

All the above with Mick Taylor, Bill Wyman and other guests included as and when needed.......

I hope you are right!!

5 continents in 1/2 year seems to be quite much, when the news state: "Stones insiders say that one reason for the delay is Richards' health, which has raised questions about his ability to make it through a worldwide tour." and will be expensive and difficult if the tour requires special stage etc.
My guees would be "simple stage setup arena conserts" in bigger cities like NY, LA, Chicago, SF and then similar in some bigger cities in Europe like London, Paris, Frankfurt, Barcelona.

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Here's my prediction.....
2012 - record new album

Voodoo Lounge took 7 months to record, released 3 months later
Bridges To Babylon took 4 months to record, released 2 months later
A Bigger Bang took 9 months to record. released 3 months later

I will be very surprised and impressed if they manage to squeeze out an album before the end of the year.

Not bad news, Keith can work on his health in the next 12 months and they can try to cook up a decent album, I can wait. Isn't that supposed to be the best part anyway ? ;-)

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I will be very surprised and impressed if they manage to squeeze out an album before the end of the year.

Me too. I'd imagine it would be "bonus tracks" on a compilation like 40 licks.

"At last month’s blues concert at the White House, Jagger said it was no easy task to pull a Stones tour together. “You can’t just walk up there and do it,” he told Rolling Stone. "If you’re playing a football tournament, you’ve got to practice. I feel very confident. I don’t want to sound cocky, but it’s just part of what you do. If you prepare, then you can be cocky.”
[latimesblogs.latimes.com]

So, he basically says it's Richards who isn't prepared.



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Here's my prediction.....
2012 - record new album

Voodoo Lounge took 7 months to record, released 3 months later
Bridges To Babylon took 4 months to record, released 2 months later
A Bigger Bang took 9 months to record. released 3 months later

I will be very surprised and impressed if they manage to squeeze out an album before the end of the year.

Well the BtoB stats make it look feasible esp. as they're talking about the studio now...ie...start next month with an xmas release target.....Mick has said he's already got a few songs in the bag........of course it's only a 'wishful thinking' guess of mine...........

I met a woman and she told me...."well baby...... well the blues ain't bad"...........

Am I missing something? What was wrong with Keith's performances at the tribute gigs? I've only seen spoonful but that seemed quite good to me.

I wonder if Keith's "health issues" are actually reference to him maybe failing a drugs test?

Then again, maybe there's something else going on. Arthiritis might be the reason but that's unlikley to get better, unless he gets an operation (perhaps he's got it in his back or knees or something).

It's all just speculation but I hope there's nothin horribly wrong with him. Perhpas he's just been lazing around for a few years, not keeping in shape, and just needs to do a bit of exercise? That's probably true of me too!

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Here's my prediction.....
2012 - record new album - and do all the other stuff.......docs, more outtakes, open supermarkets..., etc
Autumn 2012 - rehearse - play some of it plus it live in a few small clubs to warm up..
2013 - 50 cities worldwide........extra multiple shows in some
Kick off...MSG - Jan 2013 - (I've thought that likely for awhile)
Short US tour........
South America, Australia, Japan etc........break
Europe - summer 2013..........break
Another short US tour in the late autumn
Maybe a return to London just before xmas to finish off.........
The Fat lady sings

All the above with Mick Taylor, Bill Wyman and other guests included as and when needed.......

I hope you are right!!

5 continents in 1/2 year seems to be quite much, when the news state: "Stones insiders say that one reason for the delay is Richards' health, which has raised questions about his ability to make it through a worldwide tour." and will be expensive and difficult if the tour requires special stage etc.
My guees would be "simple stage setup arena conserts" in bigger cities like NY, LA, Chicago, SF and then similar in some bigger cities in Europe like London, Paris, Frankfurt, Barcelona.

Only a guess of course but my guess is... 50 cities with more shows than usual in some......I think I've got my stats right in saying A Bigger Bang was 117 cities.......so if I have got that right it would be less than half the travelling...............

I met a woman and she told me...."well baby...... well the blues ain't bad"...........



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Only here is word of a new Stones album and tour as well as other Stones projects considered bad news.

The talk of Richards health seems like it could be speculation and not fact. We can guess all we want, but we have no idea what is really going on behind the scenes.