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Thanks 711Tele...BUT I think I want to take a rest from all those "speculators" for a time. I find them tedious.

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No more Nellcote stories.

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The Gram Parsons bashing in this thread really saddens me, and makes me question this forum. There seems to be many posting here on Gram Parsons who know as much about him, his music, and country music in general, as the one poster who thinks he had blond hair at Nellcote. (There are scores of photos taken at Nellcote by Dominique Tarle and all of them show no variation of hair color other than dark brown!)

When I bought my first Gram record, the double album GP/Grievous Angel, I was so enamored that I went out and bought the remaining 6 albums in the Gram "must have" album list, and that is all I listened to for 2 months straight. I can think of no other artist that I did that with in my 46 years of music buying from 1966 to 2012.

The typical person who is confused about Parsons will always refer to his music as "country rock", "alternative country", or some other assumed ilk genre. Look...Gram Parsons sang 98% traditional country music...no rock about it.

The original poster comes on here bashing, and posting some corny two bit video of Gram Parsons and wants the whole board to judge him on this. Unbelievable.
It has been stated that "Rock" fans over a certain age are some of the most close minded people that there are. This thread is proving it.

All I can say is that I love Gram Parsons, and his music. There isn't anything that comes close in country music in my opinion. It was Parsons who took the red neck out of country music, and I will forever love him for that alone.

His influence is unending. And it just so happens that he was somehow intertwined with my favorite band of all time, The Rolling Stones.

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The Gram Parsons bashing in this thread really saddens me, and makes me question this forum. There seems to be many posting here on Gram Parsons who know as much about him, his music, and country music in general, as the one poster who thinks he had blond hair at Nellcote. (There are scores of photos taken at Nellcote by Dominique Tarle and all of them show no variation of hair color other than dark brown!)

When I bought my first Gram record, the double album GP/Grievous Angel, I was so enamored that I went out and bought the remaining 6 albums in the Gram "must have" album list, and that is all I listened to for 2 months straight. I can think of no other artist that I did that with in my 46 years of music buying from 1966 to 2012.

The typical person who is confused about Parsons will always refer to his music as "country rock", "alternative country", or some other assumed ilk genre. Look...Gram Parsons sang 98% traditional country music...no rock about it.

The original poster comes on here bashing, and posting some corny two bit video of Gram Parsons and wants the whole board to judge him on this. Unbelievable.
It has been stated that "Rock" fans over a certain age are some of the most close minded people that there are. This thread is proving it.

All I can say is that I love Gram Parsons, and his music. There isn't anything that comes close in country music in my opinion. It was Parsons who took the red neck out of country music, and I will forever love him for that alone.

His influence is unending. And it just so happens that he was somehow intertwined with my favorite band of all time, The Rolling Stones.

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I think the point is you didn't really make much of a point. It all sounded like a stretch of an obviously active imagination, and I don't buy it.

Try fronting a rock band for a music video and see how doing what Mick Jagger does will sometimes be the only way to express yourself while singing. Every artist who has been on stage as a singer, without a guitar to focus on will examine the art of that art no matter who he is. That study should probably include performers like MJ because he is/was very popular and was obviously doing something right. To propose that person a groupie because they try a Jagger move is the real stretch here. You could do the same analysis on Britney Spears or someone who has never seen Jagger perform and probably get the same results.

Chacho is obviously a fan of Gram and his points made perfect sense to me, hardly Gram standing, just a happy fan. peace

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geeezz.... it is amazing the amount of crap this guy posts.... while being so hyper sensitive. He starts whining anytime anyone posts a word which is not gushing about how brilliant he dreams he is. Self esteem issues much? If one is going to bash an artist like Gram, then one should expect some people to defend him and one should not be so hyper defensive and start whining when they do. Get over yourself whiner.

well this thread was short one idiot - now we're good - quota achieved - (and thanks for showing what happens when cousins mate)

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geeezz.... it is amazing the amount of crap this guy posts.... while being so hyper sensitive. He starts whining anytime anyone posts a word which is not gushing about how brilliant he dreams he is. Self esteem issues much? If one is going to bash an artist like Gram, then one should expect some people to defend him and one should not be so hyper defensive and start whining when they do. Get over yourself whiner.

well this thread was short one idiot - now we're good - quota achieved - (and thanks for showing what happens when cousins mate)

Oh ... oh .... how unexpected. LOL.

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geeezz.... it is amazing the amount of crap this guy posts.... while being so hyper sensitive. He starts whining anytime anyone posts a word which is not gushing about how brilliant he dreams he is. Self esteem issues much? If one is going to bash an artist like Gram, then one should expect some people to defend him and one should not be so hyper defensive and start whining when they do. Get over yourself whiner.

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The Gram Parsons bashing in this thread really saddens me, and makes me question this forum. There seems to be many posting here on Gram Parsons who know as much about him, his music, and country music in general, as the one poster who thinks he had blond hair at Nellcote. (There are scores of photos taken at Nellcote by Dominique Tarle and all of them show no variation of hair color other than dark brown!)

When I bought my first Gram record, the double album GP/Grievous Angel, I was so enamored that I went out and bought the remaining 6 albums in the Gram "must have" album list, and that is all I listened to for 2 months straight. I can think of no other artist that I did that with in my 46 years of music buying from 1966 to 2012.

The typical person who is confused about Parsons will always refer to his music as "country rock", "alternative country", or some other assumed ilk genre. Look...Gram Parsons sang 98% traditional country music...no rock about it.

The original poster comes on here bashing, and posting some corny two bit video of Gram Parsons and wants the whole board to judge him on this. Unbelievable.
It has been stated that "Rock" fans over a certain age are some of the most close minded people that there are. This thread is proving it.

All I can say is that I love Gram Parsons, and his music. There isn't anything that comes close in country music in my opinion. It was Parsons who took the red neck out of country music, and I will forever love him for that alone.

His influence is unending. And it just so happens that he was somehow intertwined with my favorite band of all time, The Rolling Stones.

This is the sort of obnoxious Gram-standing I referred to earlier - I did not "come on here bashing" - and I most certainly did not want the whole board to "judge him on this" - you can be as pretentious as you want about Gram Parsons, but please do not mis represent what I did here - I was making a point - if you look at that video - for all the talk about Gram/Keith- in my opinion his groupie obsession was actually Mick - now, just like you're allowed to express your undying love for him and his music, I'm allowed to express what I think his real MO was with the Rolling Stones - and yes, I did feel like adding that I find him to be ludicrously overrated - again, just my opinion (and i do like some of his music) - but if you don't like it - say that - or ignore it - but don't tell me what I was thinking - please - little is more annoying than that

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(Anyone who did influence the jejune Eagles should feel remorse.)

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The Gram Parsons bashing in this thread really saddens me, and makes me question this forum. There seems to be many posting here on Gram Parsons who know as much about him, his music, and country music in general, as the one poster who thinks he had blond hair at Nellcote. (There are scores of photos taken at Nellcote by Dominique Tarle and all of them show no variation of hair color other than dark brown!)

When I bought my first Gram record, the double album GP/Grievous Angel, I was so enamored that I went out and bought the remaining 6 albums in the Gram "must have" album list, and that is all I listened to for 2 months straight. I can think of no other artist that I did that with in my 46 years of music buying from 1966 to 2012.

The typical person who is confused about Parsons will always refer to his music as "country rock", "alternative country", or some other assumed ilk genre. Look...Gram Parsons sang 98% traditional country music...no rock about it.

The original poster comes on here bashing, and posting some corny two bit video of Gram Parsons and wants the whole board to judge him on this. Unbelievable.
It has been stated that "Rock" fans over a certain age are some of the most close minded people that there are. This thread is proving it.

All I can say is that I love Gram Parsons, and his music. There isn't anything that comes close in country music in my opinion. It was Parsons who took the red neck out of country music, and I will forever love him for that alone.

His influence is unending. And it just so happens that he was somehow intertwined with my favorite band of all time, The Rolling Stones.

This is the sort of obnoxious Gram-standing I referred to earlier - I did not "come on here bashing" - and I most certainly did not want the whole board to "judge him on this" - you can be as pretentious as you want about Gram Parsons, but please do not mis represent what I did here - I was making a point - if you look at that video - for all the talk about Gram/Keith- in my opinion his groupie obsession was actually Mick - now, just like you're allowed to express your undying love for him and his music, I'm allowed to express what I think his real MO was with the Rolling Stones - and yes, I did feel like adding that I find him to be ludicrously overrated - again, just my opinion (and i do like some of his music) - but if you don't like it - say that - or ignore it - but don't tell me what I was thinking - please - little is more annoying than that

You clearly sinned HB.
Turn in your rock and roll credentials now.
I knew they were idolators on the GP boards, but had no idea how wide-spread the myth was.
SOme people here find it easier to believe that Jagger was obsessed with GP than the other way around....
And we have nothing substantive to back that up, and we know what a bullshitter Keith is.....
But when you make the suggestion that perhaps GP was trying to ape Jagger....whoah!
Blasphemy!

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In fact this thread shows that an increasing number of people're frustrated with the existing "historical canon" of the Stones. In all these stories without exception there is something unpleasant,irksome about Jagger. If he is so untalented, envious, greedy, not valuing friendship, insincere, ruthless calculating manipulator stealing other people's ideas - how come he still has friends (some of them from the 60s, such as Chrissy Gibbs or Peter Whitehead who, btw, lived with him and Bianca at thier house in the south of France during Nellcote sessions), why he still is enigma for fans and media, why in the end, Richards - so white and fluffy - always wanted to work with him, not with Parson, Keys or Winos
I understand that Jagger himself is not interested in what they write about him, he follows the principle: "Do not explain, do not apologize." "All that is written about me is utmost bullshit, a complete lie" - that's all he has to say about this.
But we, his fans (and fans of the Stones too I guess) want to get a balanced presentation of Stones story, not focused on Richards iconography

I think that image of Mick persists simply because he never tries to counter the attack. He remains enigmatic, leaving others - Keith, Marianne, Jerry Hall - to do all the pontificating about who he is. The people who talk a lot sometimes create their own history, and that becomes the accepted 'truth' because it remains unchallenged.
Mick chooses to not give a shit what people think, at least that's the public perception he gives.
And when you don't talk about yourself, you leave it wide open for others to distort reality.
Look at it this way: maybe a distorted public perception is preferable to Mick because he'd rather keep some semblance of privacy. His public life/personal events have been so detailed, maybe he wants to keep his true self to himself, and to those who respect that truth. Not all his friends dish and maybe they are true friends.

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In fact this thread shows that an increasing number of people're frustrated with the existing "historical canon" of the Stones. In all these stories without exception there is something unpleasant,irksome about Jagger. If he is so untalented, envious, greedy, not valuing friendship, insincere, ruthless calculating manipulator stealing other people's ideas - how come he still has friends (some of them from the 60s, such as Chrissy Gibbs or Peter Whitehead who, btw, lived with him and Bianca at thier house in the south of France during Nellcote sessions), why he still is enigma for fans and media, why in the end, Richards - so white and fluffy - always wanted to work with him, not with Parson, Keys or Winos
I understand that Jagger himself is not interested in what they write about him, he follows the principle: "Do not explain, do not apologize." "All that is written about me is utmost bullshit, a complete lie" - that's all he has to say about this.
But we, his fans (and fans of the Stones too I guess) want to get a balanced presentation of Stones story, not focused on Richards iconography

I think that image of Mick persists simply because he never tries to counter the attack. He remains enigmatic, leaving others - Keith, Marianne, Jerry Hall - to do all the pontificating about who he is. The people who talk a lot sometimes create their own history, and that becomes the accepted 'truth' because it remains unchallenged.
Mick chooses to not give a shit what people think, at least that's the public perception he gives.
And when you don't talk about yourself, you leave it wide open for others to distort reality.
Look at it this way: maybe a distorted public perception is preferable to Mick because he'd rather keep some semblance of privacy. His public life/personal events have been so detailed, maybe he wants to keep his true self to himself, and to those who respect that truth. Not all his friends dish and maybe they are true friends.

I've said this before...Mick is not mysterious, and to me, he's not even particularly complex. Look at some facts - the RS were in the south of France, not of their choosing, but as a way of digging themselves out of the financial disaster their association with Allen Klein had created. So it was a forced march, uprooted from their homes and England, which is exactly where most English people want to be. The RS HAD to crank out another album to tour behind. There was no other way of generating any income. And now Keith has this new friend, a musician and fellow junkie, making Keith sink even deeper into the hole of addiction. Even if Mick did feel jealous that Keith was now playing and writing with Gram, it seems likely that his main motivation was to protect the functionality of the band, which Gram was derailing.

Read 'A Season in Hell' to get a feel for what was happening in Nellcote. Despite the purple prose and several errors, Greenfield does a good job. Things had really started to unravel. Bianca, the end of Keith's honeymoon with smack and descent into full-on addiction, the move away from Britain, the bizarre entourage including the local cowboys, etc etc.

As to Gram using Keith as a stepping stone to Mick..I think it's too far a stretch. Mick was a frontman, a huge star. But the only aspect of Gram that interested Mick was Gram's wife, a very young former Playboy bunny.

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geeezz.... it is amazing the amount of crap this guy posts.... while being so hyper sensitive. He starts whining anytime anyone posts a word which is not gushing about how brilliant he dreams he is. Self esteem issues much? If one is going to bash an artist like Gram, then one should expect some people to defend him and one should not be so hyper defensive and start whining when they do. Get over yourself whiner.

'An artist like Gram...'
So he's off-limits to criticism.
I swear, some of you have been overtaken with Gramophilia.

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geeezz.... it is amazing the amount of crap this guy posts.... while being so hyper sensitive. He starts whining anytime anyone posts a word which is not gushing about how brilliant he dreams he is. Self esteem issues much? If one is going to bash an artist like Gram, then one should expect some people to defend him and one should not be so hyper defensive and start whining when they do. Get over yourself whiner.

'An artist like Gram...'
So he's off-limits to criticism.
I swear, some of you have been overtaken with Gramophilia.

Hmmm... where did I say anyone was off limits?

I simply stated, and I quote.... ""If one is going to bash an artist like Gram, then one should expect some people to defend him and one should not be so hyper defensive and start whining when they do""... unless one is simply intending to stir up trouble and illicit predictable comments in order to start whining, and name calling, when the comments come.

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geeezz.... it is amazing the amount of crap this guy posts.... while being so hyper sensitive. He starts whining anytime anyone posts a word which is not gushing about how brilliant he dreams he is. Self esteem issues much? If one is going to bash an artist like Gram, then one should expect some people to defend him and one should not be so hyper defensive and start whining when they do. Get over yourself whiner.

'An artist like Gram...'
So he's off-limits to criticism.
I swear, some of you have been overtaken with Gramophilia.

Hmmm... where did I say anyone was off limits?

I simply stated, and I quote.... ""If one is going to bash an artist like Gram, then one should expect some people to defend him and one should not be so hyper defensive and start whining when they do""... unless one is simply intending to stir up trouble and illicit predictable comments in order to start whining, and name calling, when the comments come.

we all see you are just making trouble - read my comments - I do not have thin skin - I merely take issue with people deliberately misrepresenting what I say to fit their own narrative - again - this is your usual - you see that I post something, and then bam - your obsession hits - "must insult chris epting" - anyone can look up how you do this - you are on record multiple times - grow up, dude

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geeezz.... it is amazing the amount of crap this guy posts.... while being so hyper sensitive. He starts whining anytime anyone posts a word which is not gushing about how brilliant he dreams he is. Self esteem issues much? If one is going to bash an artist like Gram, then one should expect some people to defend him and one should not be so hyper defensive and start whining when they do. Get over yourself whiner.

'An artist like Gram...'
So he's off-limits to criticism.
I swear, some of you have been overtaken with Gramophilia.

Hmmm... where did I say anyone was off limits?

I simply stated, and I quote.... ""If one is going to bash an artist like Gram, then one should expect some people to defend him and one should not be so hyper defensive and start whining when they do""... unless one is simply intending to stir up trouble and illicit predictable comments in order to start whining, and name calling, when the comments come.

we all see you are just making trouble - read my comments - I do not have thin skin - I merely take issue with people deliberately misrepresenting what I say to fit their own narrative - again - this is your usual - you see that I post something, and then bam - your obsession hits - "must insult chris epting" - anyone can look up how you do this - you are on record multiple times - grow up, dude

LOL, you are really really into yourself, eh?

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Swiss, I'm simply bored by pretenious posters such as yourself.

I don't need your advice or your permission to do --or not do--anything.