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1. Stones rip offs in every way. Microphone sharing

How old are you, 12? The Beatles shared the mic, too. Are they ripping off the Stones? I'm sure plenty of other acts shared the mic before them, as well. The Stones don't own the rights to microphone sharing.

Aerosmith is more than a "Stones rip off" but I think Steve and Joe's microphone sharing was certainly inspired by Mick and Keith back in the good old days. Same goes for David JoHansen and Johnny Thunders, and even Rod and Ronnie in the early 70's. The Glimmers didn't invent mic sharing, but they did make it their own.

Rock Scene once had a feature on Aerosmith's rehearsal room, and on the wall was a huge mural of Mick and Keith...sharing a mic. ( I think it might be visible on one of the tiny pictures on the inside sleeve of "Rocks" ) Them doing it is more of an homage to the Stones than trying to steal from them.

Rocks . Yes that was a great one.

Exactly my point...
"initially hesitant to using outside songwriters, including Tyler being furious for Knight getting songwriting credits for changing one word ("Rag Time" became "Rag Doll" ), the method paid off, as Permanent Vacation became the band's most successful album in a decade"

Hesitant, then the album sold, big $$, and they embraced the hired guns which led to a stream of generic plastic sounding records. Each one have a a few good tuned, but no where near the sound of the Aerosmith that had a functioning creative team working collaboratively in the studio without outside help. I hope they go back to their own creative process without the hired guns.



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I just saw the 60 minutes interview and it broke my heart.
They seem to hate each other. I read Tyler's book and have to say the relapse back to drugs for Tyler and Perry was just disheartening.

To hit rock bottom as hard as they did and to come all the way back to the top like they did just to crumble again is a sad story.

Anyone interested in the band- search out the book Kramer wrote, which was well done and u can see It just wasn't Tyler and perry with the personal problems...

And my God, Tom Hamilton seems close to death. I didn't know he had throat cancer...

But what a mess the current state of the band seems to be....

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Exactly my point...
"initially hesitant to using outside songwriters, including Tyler being furious for Knight getting songwriting credits for changing one word ("Rag Time" became "Rag Doll" ), the method paid off, as Permanent Vacation became the band's most successful album in a decade"

Hesitant, then the album sold, big $$, and they embraced the hired guns which led to a stream of generic plastic sounding records. Each one have a a few good tuned, but no where near the sound of the Aerosmith that had a functioning creative team working collaboratively in the studio without outside help. I hope they go back to their own creative process without the hired guns.

that makes it seem more to mike like the record company saw dollar signs and told the band they are sticking with hired guns. they are still 6 songs on PUMP without any outside writers

i did not see too many smiles from the band during the interview. pissed that stevie keeps falling off the wagon among other things.

american idol has inflated steve's ego like a hot air balloon.he didn't come off as the steve i have grown up with.came off as a dickhead in many ways.i think the band senses it and they don't like being around a jerky guy that they think he has become.

we just may get a kick ass album out of the band. i am thinking this may be the case.

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Exactly my point...
"initially hesitant to using outside songwriters, including Tyler being furious for Knight getting songwriting credits for changing one word ("Rag Time" became "Rag Doll" ), the method paid off, as Permanent Vacation became the band's most successful album in a decade"

Hesitant, then the album sold, big $$, and they embraced the hired guns which led to a stream of generic plastic sounding records. Each one have a a few good tuned, but no where near the sound of the Aerosmith that had a functioning creative team working collaboratively in the studio without outside help. I hope they go back to their own creative process without the hired guns.

that makes it seem more to mike like the record company saw dollar signs and told the band they are sticking with hired guns. they are still 6 songs on PUMP without any outside writers

I can see you are a fan and you want to give them the benefit of the doubt, but Aerosmith is one of the largest sellers in America and had/have a lot of clout and I am sure they could have dictated more control, that is if they could come up with the goods. Even George Harrison had an album rejected by his label. So yeah, I am sure Geffen put pressure on them, but also after they saw the results they were more than happy to follow the plan to make more money. Again, I dig Aerosmith, but not much of a fan of their albums after Night in the Ruts (even that one is pretty sketchy in places and very short, and was the first album Joe didn't play on every track). I hope that the divisions and conflict in the band helps them create a more edgy rock album. I hope.

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Exactly my point...
"initially hesitant to using outside songwriters, including Tyler being furious for Knight getting songwriting credits for changing one word ("Rag Time" became "Rag Doll" ), the method paid off, as Permanent Vacation became the band's most successful album in a decade"

Hesitant, then the album sold, big $$, and they embraced the hired guns which led to a stream of generic plastic sounding records. Each one have a a few good tuned, but no where near the sound of the Aerosmith that had a functioning creative team working collaboratively in the studio without outside help. I hope they go back to their own creative process without the hired guns.

that makes it seem more to mike like the record company saw dollar signs and told the band they are sticking with hired guns. they are still 6 songs on PUMP without any outside writers

I can see you are a fan and you want to give them the benefit of the doubt, but Aerosmith is one of the largest sellers in America and had/have a lot of clout and I am sure they could have dictated more control, that is if they could come up with the goods. Even George Harrison had an album rejected by his label. So yeah, I am sure Geffen put pressure on them, but also after they saw the results they were more than happy to follow the plan to make more money. Again, I dig Aerosmith, but not much of a fan of their albums after Night in the Ruts (even that one is pretty sketchy in places and very short, and was the first album Joe didn't play on every track). I hope that the divisions and conflict in the band helps them create a more edgy rock album. I hope.

night in the ruts is one of my favorites and i enjoyed rock in a hard place. not sure in 1986 after just 1 album on geffen how much pull aerosmith still had. no top 40 hits since 1978 which was a beatles cover, night in the ruts was only gold and rock in a hard place was even't gold yet. they got dropped from columbia and signed to geffen they released done with mirrors which still didn't have a top 40 hit and didn't even reach gold status until 1993 (8 years after its release). really if permanent vacation had flopped that would have probably been the end of aerosmith

With the release - finally - of a new album this year (first album of original material in 11 years), time to revisit one I was revisiting this week,

Nine Lives - as one review out it:
Lavishly produced and spotlessly delivered, Nine Lives is a great example of perfect professionalism losing its soul

It can almost be a review for every 'Smith album post 1976 and like most of those albums, in the case of 'Nine Lives' I agree, it's competent, lavishly produced, seems to tick all the boxes needed for a modern day 'Smith record; but something is missing. It's greta in places, even inspired, and very uninspired in others. They did extremely well with it though, huge successful tour that ran to 1999 (with a magnificent Japanese tour in '99; the Osaka gig on YouTube and it is simply smokin'!!) - even appeared on the cooler-than-thou Jools Holland show

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1. Stones rip offs in every way. Microphone sharing; mimic exact looks; now his blond streak a la Keith
2. THEN they became Aero-Jovi

Point out where Aerosmith "mimic exact looks" of the Stones. You mean all those scarves on the mic stand? Yeah, Steven totally lifted that from Mick. Sharing the mic? Nope. That's the same as saying 'played a Telecaster'. Stupid and pointless.

Blond streak ala Keith - you mean no one ever anywhere anytime has ever done that? Next you'll say if Perry's hair goes totally grey that he's imitating Keith being totally grey.

Words of no wisdom strike again.

I just watched that CBS 60 Minutes thing (here it is: [www.google.com]).

Very interesting, but the journalists behind the program played on the drama thing quite a lot. It got a little silly when Joe Perry said "Steven needs his jaw to sing" (meaning he can't hit him hard in the face) and Steven sounded really offended, though the phrase definitely came across mostly as a joke.

Tyler is obviously talented and intelligent, a great singer and frontman and a hyper active charismatic character, kinda like David Lee Roth. In interviews, the other four guys in the band always come across as more sensible, living for the music and wanting none of the bullsh*t.

You could compare Hamilton, Kramer and Whitford to Charlie, Bill and Woody, and the latter three may be more adapted to cope with the egos of their two frontmen in their band, even if it means metal detecting, playing jazz, collecting war memorabilia or running away with young russian girls...

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1. Stones rip offs in every way. Microphone sharing; mimic exact looks; now his blond streak a la Keith
2. THEN they became Aero-Jovi

Point out where Aerosmith "mimic exact looks" of the Stones. You mean all those scarves on the mic stand? Yeah, Steven totally lifted that from Mick. Sharing the mic? Nope. That's the same as saying 'played a Telecaster'. Stupid and pointless.

Blond streak ala Keith - you mean no one ever anywhere anytime has ever done that? Next you'll say if Perry's hair goes totally grey that he's imitating Keith being totally grey.

Words of no wisdom strike again.

I'm a huge Aerosmith fan. Huge. But there's no denying Steven and Joe totally copped Mick and Keith in the looks/style department. Tyler has said as much in certain interviews. Perry is a total Keith ripoff in the looks category. I forget who, but one of Aerosmith crew guys in the 70's said that everyone in the crew used to make fun of Perry behind his back because Perry would practice his Keith moves in the mirror. Just look at the way Perry dressed and acted onstage. I'm not even mentioning the hair streaks.
Even in their current shows, Perry will go to the keyboard/piano during a solo spot in one of their live songs and play a run of notes ala Keith in Honky Tonk Man.

they do have a great rhythm section and brad whitford is highly underrated. this guy can play.

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1. Stones rip offs in every way. Microphone sharing; mimic exact looks; now his blond streak a la Keith
2. THEN they became Aero-Jovi

Point out where Aerosmith "mimic exact looks" of the Stones. You mean all those scarves on the mic stand? Yeah, Steven totally lifted that from Mick. Sharing the mic? Nope. That's the same as saying 'played a Telecaster'. Stupid and pointless.

Blond streak ala Keith - you mean no one ever anywhere anytime has ever done that? Next you'll say if Perry's hair goes totally grey that he's imitating Keith being totally grey.

Words of no wisdom strike again.

I'm a huge Aerosmith fan. Huge. But there's no denying Steven and Joe totally copped Mick and Keith in the looks/style department. Tyler has said as much in certain interviews. Perry is a total Keith ripoff in the looks category. I forget who, but one of Aerosmith crew guys in the 70's said that everyone in the crew used to make fun of Perry behind his back because Perry would practice his Keith moves in the mirror. Just look at the way Perry dressed and acted onstage. I'm not even mentioning the hair streaks.
Even in their current shows, Perry will go to the keyboard/piano during a solo spot in one of their live songs and play a run of notes ala Keith in Honky Tonk Man.

You weren't supposed to say all that - Meekscared was! You RUINED it!

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1. Stones rip offs in every way. Microphone sharing; mimic exact looks; now his blond streak a la Keith
2. THEN they became Aero-Jovi

Point out where Aerosmith "mimic exact looks" of the Stones. You mean all those scarves on the mic stand? Yeah, Steven totally lifted that from Mick. Sharing the mic? Nope. That's the same as saying 'played a Telecaster'. Stupid and pointless.

Blond streak ala Keith - you mean no one ever anywhere anytime has ever done that? Next you'll say if Perry's hair goes totally grey that he's imitating Keith being totally grey.

Words of no wisdom strike again.

I'm a huge Aerosmith fan. Huge. But there's no denying Steven and Joe totally copped Mick and Keith in the looks/style department. Tyler has said as much in certain interviews. Perry is a total Keith ripoff in the looks category. I forget who, but one of Aerosmith crew guys in the 70's said that everyone in the crew used to make fun of Perry behind his back because Perry would practice his Keith moves in the mirror. Just look at the way Perry dressed and acted onstage. I'm not even mentioning the hair streaks.
Even in their current shows, Perry will go to the keyboard/piano during a solo spot in one of their live songs and play a run of notes ala Keith in Honky Tonk Man.

I also love Aerosmith, but it was so obvious that they seemed to copy the image of the Stones ala '75, and stuck with that look for a long time. Of course it didn't hurt that Steve and Joe do bear some resemblance to the Glimmer Twins.

I saw a documentary on A'smith once, and was surprised , badly taken aback, how little they seemed to mind the corporate song writers from outside. The way the album title was dissected and weighed against demographics etc. In other words - there was no sense of 'rock;n roll abandon'. I guess we all know it is long gone, but at least the illusion...
What bothers me about this (apart from the fact that I hate songs by those song writer hacks) is that A'smith appears to have plenty of good songs up their sleeves. they don't really need them.
And then they also over produce the songs. There is so much crap piled on there.
I guess Perry is alright, Kramer is an excellent drummer; Brad and Hamilton also very good, but IMO Tyler is a topnotch musician. It gets lost in the image and the mouth and the crotch and all, but he goes deep.

Still like Pump from the later albums though !

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Rocks . Yes that was a great one.

Their best.

"Perry is a total Keith ripoff in the looks category."

I thought he was copying Jimmy Page's look!

Once they'd delivered Done With Mirrors they should've packed it in

Everything since has been watered down MOR crap. It's become hard to tell the difference between Aeroshit and Bryan Adams

Couldn't disagree MORE about Idol ruining Steven's credibility. It has turned the spotlight on Aerosmith like nothing else could have at his time of inactivity for the band. It will be over in about 5 weeks and then the band goes on the road for their summer tour. Who was hurt by this exactly. Second point, Tyler accepted this offer to be a judge on Idol AFTER word was out that Perry & Co were shopping for a new lead singer! Steven is not without his faults and certainly he has outlined them in great detail, to his credit but the band was not exactly sweetness and light towards him. And WHO really is the DRAW in this band?? I think most would say Tyler.

Well that depends on what you think about idol and modern Aerosmith. Idol seemed to fit with Tyler's show biz goal of glitzing his career and sell to the younger masses. And this further diluted Aerosmith's rock and roll cred. For many, Idol is all that is wrong with the current state of popular music. Why not do a guest star spot as an aerobics instructor on Glee?? That would seem logical after working his trade on Idol.

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"Perry is a total Keith ripoff in the looks category."

I thought he was copying Jimmy Page's look!

You'll noticed after Guns got big Perry started perming his hair like Slash
Perry was definitely influenced by Page's playing.

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imo, aerosmith stopped mattering during mtv heyday ... when every new track they had starting sounding like the same power ballad.

"F.I.N.E.", "eat the rich", "love in an elevator", etc all sound like powerballads to you?

He has a point...singles since 1993:
1993: "Cryin'", No. 12
1994: "Amazing", No. 24
1994: "Crazy", No. 17
1997: "Falling in Love (Is Hard on the Knees)", No. 35
1998: "Pink", No. 27
1998: "I Don't Want to Miss a Thing", No. 1
2001: "Jaded", No. 7

Dream On
Seasons of Wither
You See Me Crying
Home Tonight
Kings and Queens
Mia

All "power ballads" from the first six albums, don't see the logic other than the fact the only way a real rock band could get air play from early 90's on was, and still is, to release a power ballad as a single.



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Rocks . Yes that was a great one.

Combination is the ultimate Aerosmith!

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Exactly my point...
"initially hesitant to using outside songwriters, including Tyler being furious for Knight getting songwriting credits for changing one word ("Rag Time" became "Rag Doll" ), the method paid off, as Permanent Vacation became the band's most successful album in a decade"

Hesitant, then the album sold, big $$, and they embraced the hired guns which led to a stream of generic plastic sounding records. Each one have a a few good tuned, but no where near the sound of the Aerosmith that had a functioning creative team working collaboratively in the studio without outside help. I hope they go back to their own creative process without the hired guns.

that makes it seem more to mike like the record company saw dollar signs and told the band they are sticking with hired guns. they are still 6 songs on PUMP without any outside writers

I can see you are a fan and you want to give them the benefit of the doubt, but Aerosmith is one of the largest sellers in America and had/have a lot of clout and I am sure they could have dictated more control, that is if they could come up with the goods. Even George Harrison had an album rejected by his label. So yeah, I am sure Geffen put pressure on them, but also after they saw the results they were more than happy to follow the plan to make more money. Again, I dig Aerosmith, but not much of a fan of their albums after Night in the Ruts (even that one is pretty sketchy in places and very short, and was the first album Joe didn't play on every track). I hope that the divisions and conflict in the band helps them create a more edgy rock album. I hope.

night in the ruts is one of my favorites and i enjoyed rock in a hard place. not sure in 1986 after just 1 album on geffen how much pull aerosmith still had. no top 40 hits since 1978 which was a beatles cover, night in the ruts was only gold and rock in a hard place was even't gold yet. they got dropped from columbia and signed to geffen they released done with mirrors which still didn't have a top 40 hit and didn't even reach gold status until 1993 (8 years after its release). really if permanent vacation had flopped that would have probably been the end of aerosmith

I think what saved their ass actually, was showing up on the rap cover of Walk This Way with Run DMC. I loved that when it came out and still like it.

It gave them a bit of momentum...they were DOA before that from what I recall. Then started their 'comeback' with Permanent Vacation and "Dude Looks Like A Lady".

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imo, aerosmith stopped mattering during mtv heyday ... when every new track they had starting sounding like the same power ballad.

"F.I.N.E.", "eat the rich", "love in an elevator", etc all sound like powerballads to you?

He has a point...singles since 1993:
1993: "Cryin'", No. 12
1994: "Amazing", No. 24
1994: "Crazy", No. 17
1997: "Falling in Love (Is Hard on the Knees)", No. 35
1998: "Pink", No. 27
1998: "I Don't Want to Miss a Thing", No. 1
2001: "Jaded", No. 7

Dream On
Seasons of Wither
You See Me Crying
Home Tonight
Kings and Queens
Mia

All "power ballads" from the first six albums, don't see the logic other than the fact the only way a real rock band could get air play from early 90's on was, and still is, to release a power ballad as a single.

I'm confused...are you even trying to suggest that Dream On and Crazy are in the same league, or in the same genre of music?