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Well, Tyler came off as a right bastard on 60 Minutes. I'm glad to see some things never change.

Their first five albums belong in any discerning rock'n'roller's collection. The rest? Not so much..

i think every aerosmith album in the original columbia records run was great and then PUMP. after that its hit and miss

For me they were never really good, in the 70's and 80's all they did was sleazy unsubtle rock, and the 90's discography is an embarrasment. Tyler's a caricature of himself now, to a much greater degree than Keith.

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For me they were never really good, in the 70's and 80's all they did was sleazy unsubtle rock, and the 90's discography is an embarrasment. Tyler's a caricature of himself now, to a much greater degree than Keith.

pretty sure there is nothing subtle about the songs "star @#$%&", little t&a", "coming down again", "brown sugar", etc.

stones fans always try to bash aerosmith and use some of the oddest arguments

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For me they were never really good, in the 70's and 80's all they did was sleazy unsubtle rock, and the 90's discography is an embarrasment. Tyler's a caricature of himself now, to a much greater degree than Keith.

pretty sure there is nothing subtle about the songs "star @#$%&", little t&a", "coming down again", "brown sugar", etc.

stones fans always try to bash aerosmith and use some of the oddest arguments

Yes the Stones did some sleazy songs as well, but Aerosmith always had just that one side to their music. Besides the cheesy power ballads of course.

"... riding on my coattails" ... Really, Steve? What about the post-Perry band?

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i think every aerosmith album in the original columbia records run was great and then PUMP. after that its hit and miss

I mostly agree. Ruts are Hard Place aren't classics but definitely worth having and while Vacation may not be as good as Pump it is very good.

I've always loved Aerosmith, and " Seasons of Wither" remains one of my all-time favorite songs, very moody and just great how it builds. I do agree that Tyler seemed bitchy and on edge for that 60 Minutes interview and I think it has a lot to do with the hurt he still feels when after his fall off stage, no one from the band came around for 6 months. He has his reasons for being angry but I do see the bands' side of things! He hurt them in their pocket books, the tour crashed and burned and it really took them off their feet for over a year. Steven's relationship with " Joe FU**IN Perry " is much like the Mick- Keith thing.
Regardless, they've earned their wings, and have etched their spot in rock history. I've seen maybe a dozen of their shows over the years, some better than others, but always very enjoyable. Tyler is a top shelf performer and he is right in saying that he has been the glue, holding them together by demanding a higher level of production. I hope they can work it out and do another great cd and tour. I'm being selfish because I'd love to see a few more shows.

The guys in aerosmith look alot older than the Stones. Joey Kramer looks like he had some bad plastic done.

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I've always loved Aerosmith, and " Seasons of Wither" remains one of my all-time favorite songs, very moody and just great how it builds. I do agree that Tyler seemed bitchy and on edge for that 60 Minutes interview and I think it has a lot to do with the hurt he still feels when after his fall off stage, no one from the band came around for 6 months. He has his reasons for being angry but I do see the bands' side of things! He hurt them in their pocket books, the tour crashed and burned and it really took them off their feet for over a year. Steven's relationship with " Joe FU**IN Perry " is much like the Mick- Keith thing.
Regardless, they've earned their wings, and have etched their spot in rock history. I've seen maybe a dozen of their shows over the years, some better than others, but always very enjoyable. Tyler is a top shelf performer and he is right in saying that he has been the glue, holding them together by demanding a higher level of production. I hope they can work it out and do another great cd and tour. I'm being selfish because I'd love to see a few more shows.

Seasons is one of my all time favorite songs....
Rocks is a masterpiece....

Seasons and Get Your Wings are fantastic. Really they had a great run of albums from their debut up to Night in the Ruts (right in the nuts!). Draw the Line and NITR have a few weak songs, but are still quite good and feature the entire original line up. Their post Rock in a Hard Place stuff just didn't grab me much. Very polished, ghost writers, and the dreaded power ballads. I remember reading an interview with Brad Whitford in the later years where he bemoans the fact that hey never writes with Taylor or Perry anymore, and he felt the core creative energy of the group has dissipated. And it is hard to argue that point. I can listen to one or two songs off there later releases and combine them all to one ok album. Perry still has the chops and Tyler still can belt it out, but he seems to dominate the creative process with not always rewarding results. Honkin from Bobo was one of their best releases since Night in the Ruts, and those were all covers! Says a lot.

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Seasons and Get Your Wings are fantastic. Really they had a great run of albums from their debut up to Night in the Ruts (right in the nuts!). Draw the Line and NITR have a few weak songs, but are still quite good and feature the entire original line up. Their post Rock in a Hard Place stuff just didn't grab me much. Very polished, ghost writers, and the dreaded power ballads. I remember reading an interview with Brad Whitford in the later years where he bemoans the fact that hey never writes with Taylor or Perry anymore, and he felt the core creative energy of the group has dissipated. And it is hard to argue that point. I can listen to one or two songs off there later releases and combine them all to one ok album. Perry still has the chops and Tyler still can belt it out, but he seems to dominate the creative process with not always rewarding results. Honkin from Bobo was one of their best releases since Night in the Ruts, and those were all covers! Says a lot.

how is iy s ghost writer when it lists the writers in the credit? its not like tyler/perry were the only writers listed

Ok, bad choice of words, not a ghost writer, a hired gun. When they never needed that before when they included Whitford and Perry and Tylor actually wrote together. Bringing in the hired guns seemed to be quite calculated to maximize their commercial appeal, and possibly indicative of a loss of collaboration and ideas from the former core group of writers...

I couldnt/didnt watch this interview after seeing some of the previews, looked gossipy and negative. I wonder what was their objective, just to get people talking? Is talking with negative slants the only way to do that? With that said... it would have benn funny as hell if Joe (doing pardoy wink/nod) had said Steven had a "tt" ala Keef.


btw-
"Get your wings"... one of my favorite early rock and roll albums. i have owned it every which way but loose. 8 track, LP, cassette, CD..... and probably 3-7 of each type as they were stolen or broke.

I've never seen them. Might be worth checking out.

I have not seen them in years, but I saw them several times after they "reformed". THey put on an excellent show with some great deep cuts in their set.

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Ok, bad choice of words, not a ghost writer, a hired gun. When they never needed that before when they included Whitford and Perry and Tylor actually wrote together. Bringing in the hired guns seemed to be quite calculated to maximize their commercial appeal, and possibly indicative of a loss of collaboration and ideas from the former core group of writers...

it was actually geffen records who brought in the outside writers

But seriously, if Aerosmtih didn't want them, or didn't need them, Geffen wouldn't have brought them in...

Part of the issue also is Tyler's ego. I think him and Perry were far more collaborative. And again, many interviews have had comments that confirm. Perry saying him and Tyler rarely write together, and very little band input into their recent albums. But also, they became monster big in the 80s-90s. Huge. So why mess with a winning formula. I guess I hope they have another Rocks, or Toys in their blood. But I regret that unless Tyler steps back a few steps and the others step up, any new album will sound like Nine Lives Pt. infinity.

1. Stones rip offs in every way. Microphone sharing; mimic exact looks; now his blond streak a la Keith
2. THEN they became Aero-Jovi

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But seriously, if Aerosmtih didn't want them, or didn't need them, Geffen wouldn't have brought them in...

no seriously geffen said "we want hits and we @#$%& want them now". done with mirrors had that classic aerosmith sound but sold basically nothing. do you think the stuff from rocks would have been hits in the 80's? of course not rock music had moved on. look at the stones releases after 1982. sure they wrote the tunes but it didn't sound like the stones, it sounded like current rock of the time. maybe tyler/perry simply couldn't write in the style of 80's rock

I can hear all of the gentlemen here with the BOO HISS but if you'd watched Tyler's interview with Oprah about a month ago you would have seen a very different guy; he was sensitive, acknowledging his faults and he really explained all of his demons....and he has had a FEW!He has a wonderful, funky home on Lake Winnipie in New Hampshire where he grew up and he talked about meeting Joe Perry when they were just kids. He took Oprah for a walk in the woods and he has a real gentle nature, showing no ego at all. I think that the band chemistry brings out the worst in him. I think Perry is a lot of the problem in the band. Can you imagine shopping for a new lead singer without even telling Tyler!? Wow, talk about insensitivity...

I don't know, I hear Done With Mirrors as a shadow of what Aerosmith was, and it was profoundly sad at the time. Again, Tyler also seemed to embrace the thought of retiring in style riding the success cash cow. IT all felt plastic and sterile. There is no way they didn't jump on that wagon with very little argument to get the hit they needed. I saw them on the Done with Mirrors tour and they were very good live, which saved their image a bit for me. The nadir of it all, though, was Rock and Hard Place, I loathed Crespo's hallow tawdry mimicing of Perry.
I was fortunate enough to see Perry on his I've Got the Rock n' Rolls Again, and that for me was the heart and soul of Aerosmith... a full on raunchy rock fest with some great songs. Far better and far less popular than Aerosmith at that time. I remember it was a small club in Ann Arbor and you could see him walk to his amp and do lines. I have know doubt that Perry and Tyler brought out each others' demons. The toxic twins.

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I don't know, I hear Done With Mirrors as a shadow of what Aerosmith was, and it was profoundly sad at the time. Again, Tyler also seemed to embrace the thought of retiring in style riding the success cash cow. IT all felt plastic and sterile. There is no way they didn't jump on that wagon with very little argument to get the hit they needed. I saw them on the Done with Mirrors tour and they were very good live, which saved their image a bit for me. The nadir of it all, though, was Rock and Hard Place, I loathed Crespo's hallow tawdry mimicing of Perry.
I was fortunate enough to see Perry on his I've Got the Rock n' Rolls Again, and that for me was the heart and soul of Aerosmith... a full on raunchy rock fest with some great songs. Far better and far less popular than Aerosmith at that time. I remember it was a small club in Ann Arbor and you could see him walk to his amp and do lines. I have know doubt that Perry and Tyler brought out each others' demons. The toxic twins.

while yes i know anyone can edit wikipedia:
Part of Permanent Vacation's commercial success involved producer Bruce Fairbairn whose production touches (such as sound effects and high-quality recording) added interest to the album and the use of outside songwriters such as Desmond Child, Jim Vallance, and Holly Knight who assisted the band with lyrics. While the group was initially hesitant to using outside songwriters, including Tyler being furious for Knight getting songwriting credits for changing one word ("Rag Time" became "Rag Doll" ), the method paid off, as Permanent Vacation became the band's most successful album in a decade

another story i've heard regarding the album permanent vacation was the band demo'd "i'm down", "permanent vacation", "st johns" and "girl keeps coming apart" and the record label was displeased with the lack of a hit so far and thats when bruce fairbairn and the outside writers were brought in



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I was fortunate enough to see Perry on his I've Got the Rock n' Rolls Again, and that for me was the heart and soul of Aerosmith... a full on raunchy rock fest with some great songs. Far better and far less popular than Aerosmith at that time. I remember it was a small club in Ann Arbor and you could see him walk to his amp and do lines.

Cool story! That is a great album, I still listen to the title track.

Joe and Steven have the classic yin-yang/love-hate dynamic that so many great rock partnerships have: Mick 'n Keef, Robert & Jimmy, Paul & John, Paul & Artie, Waters & Gilmour, Daltry & Townshend, ad infinitum.

It was kinda sad though (on "60 Minutes" when the reporter asked Joe if he liked Steven as a person and he had to stop and think about it.

Side note: Joe enough with the white streaks in your hair; it's starting to look skunkish or Lily Munster.

Yes, I hate the streaks in the hair...way too much white, not attractive and with all his money, you'd think Perry would fix his cracked tooth. GEEE! Sad that they don't even LIKE each other, like Mick & Keith probably don't like each other either...too much water under those bridges.
I don't love " Done With Mirrors" and favor "Pump", Permanent Vacation" and the much older cds like Aerosmith and Get Your Wings. This isan example of knowing when t o quit; if it comes to the point where the band members don't really even SPEAK to one another, hang it up. Yup, this goes for the Stones too.

A few thoughts:

In the 70's these guys rocked.

The streaks in Joe's hair go back to at least 1978.

Nice "Walking The Dog" on their debut too.

Tyler is a publicity whore. "Idol" killed his credibility, but he's making millions so who cares?

Brad is underrated.

"The Other Side" is nice.

Always great live.

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1. Stones rip offs in every way. Microphone sharing

How old are you, 12? The Beatles shared the mic, too. Are they ripping off the Stones? I'm sure plenty of other acts shared the mic before them, as well. The Stones don't own the rights to microphone sharing.



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Since someone else brought up the Joe Perry Project...

My first ever concert was the Joe Perry Project in my High School Gymnasium on their tour for Once A Rocker, Always A Rocker. My friends and I were litterally leaning on the stage where we were used to playing basketball. Seeing Joe that close was awe inspiring. The band & the tunes were great as well.

A few years later I was front row for an Aerosmith concert (again GREAT show) and a few months after that, I was working back stage for them. The one thing I can say about Aerosmith is that, at least the times I have been in the audience, they have ALWAYS delivered live. They play their new stuff & their warhorses but, as someone else mentioned, they also bring out deep stuff for the hardcore fans as well.

To anyone who hasn't seen them live and thinks they might enjoy it, GO SEE THEM! Don't let the detractors scare you away. They are not Stones rip offs in ANY way, let alone every way. Influenced by the Stones? Sure but who isn't/wasn't? No doubt you'll see similarities but these guys took influences from the Yardbirds, Cream, Led Zep, Stones (etc.) and created their own brand of Rock & Roll (Raunch and Roll if you'd like). Finances & logistics have kept me unable to see them on their last couple of tours, but, I would go see them again in a heartbeat if I could work out those details.

IMO what makes them great live to this day is the fact that the band is still up there trying to musically kick each other & the audience in the butt/chest/teeth. Sure, you'll get your bit of show business & slick polished sounding power ballads, but if you look deeper than Tyler's scarves/aerobics & Joe's leather pants/hair dye, you'll find that both (along with "The Other Three" ) are giving 100% MUSICALLY . So many bands out there today will give you all the glitz & glamor (aka "Vegas Tours" ) with none of the musical balls.

Here's hoping for one more great Aerosmith album.

Peace,
Mr DJA



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its funny how much the singer on perry's HAVE GUITAR WILL TRAVEL sounds like steven tyler

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I can hear all of the gentlemen here with the BOO HISS but if you'd watched Tyler's interview with Oprah about a month ago you would have seen a very different guy; he was sensitive, acknowledging his faults and he really explained all of his demons...

I loved how much of a nature lover he is too. He definitely has a big heart, that comes across on "Idol" as well (though I'm not watching this season - there's such a thing as too much karaoke).

Hey! Did anyone catch Joe Perry singing on the Jay Leno show last week? He's not the most tuneful of vocalists but god love him he's playing well, no surprise there, and he looked amazing dressed head to foot in black leather. Oh the Google tells me that it the show was a repeat:

Joe Perry covered Bob Dylan’s “Man of Peace” on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno last night (January 30th). The song was off the album Chimes Of Freedom, which will support Amnesty's life-saving human rights work. The album is dedicated to people worldwide who are unjustly imprisoned or threatened for the peaceful expression of their beliefs.
See video here: [www.joeperry.com]