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Altamont Question ??
Posted by: steffiestones ()
Date: March 4, 2012 16:28

Is there ever been a proof M.Hunter pointed the gun at Jagger ???


Re: Altamont Question ??
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: March 4, 2012 16:35

what would you call "proof"?
i never heard of anything i'd consider proof that he pointed it at the stage at all,
and a lot of reports state that the gun wasn't even loaded

Re: Altamont Question ??
Posted by: steffiestones ()
Date: March 4, 2012 16:38

Just watched the movie again,and I thought he was really pointing the gun somewhere...


According to the new book Let It Bleed: The Rolling Stones, Altamont and the End of the Sixties, by Stones tour photographer Ethan A. Russell with Gerard Van der Leun, Hunter, worried about all the fighting at the concert, went back to his car at one point during the show, retrieved the pistol from his trunk and tucked it into his waistband





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Re: Altamont Question ??
Posted by: steffiestones ()
Date: March 4, 2012 16:47






Re: Altamont Question ??
Posted by: crumbling_mice ()
Date: March 4, 2012 16:48

The story seems to be that he had had a few run in with the Angels earlier in the day, probably because he was with a white girl. It's important to put it in the context of the time i.e. racial tensions. So he was already fired up so to speak, obviously the Angels by the time the stones hit the stage were well intoxicated and tripping their tits off, so it's a theory that he pulled the gun at one of the angels rather than Jagger. From the film it does appear that he is pointing it toward the stage, but who is to say he wasn't taking aim at an Angel on the stage wings, maybe one that had done something to him earlier oin the day. If you think about it, if you were going to shoot Jagger, would you pick a gig like Altamont to do it? Surrounded by Hells Angels? No, you would do what the guy in the film does when Jagger is arriving and he runs up and hits him. More likely you would get an accurate shot off than in a crowd which was moving around and at a target which was also moving around.

For me, the whole thing is a result of, Hells Angels who were not in a good mood and off their heads, racial tensions carried over to an individual and a bad vibe in the evening generally. I once spoke to a guy who had been at Altamont and, whilst he wasnt anywhere near the front, he said the atmosphere was awful and got worse as the day went on.



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Re: Altamont Question ??
Posted by: steffiestones ()
Date: March 4, 2012 17:14

Choosing this concert to shoot Jagger,would have been a bad idea,but pulling of a gun in a crowd full of Hells Angels was not such a good idea either..


Re: Altamont Question ??
Posted by: crumbling_mice ()
Date: March 4, 2012 17:19

Here!

Read the above link steffie, it's a fairly good, if not a little romanticised account of things with some great witness testimony



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Re: Altamont Question ??
Posted by: steffiestones ()
Date: March 4, 2012 18:27

What became of Patty Bredehoft ???


Re: Altamont Question ??
Posted by: crumbling_mice ()
Date: March 4, 2012 18:52

It just says that she wasnt in a good way...so could well be dead by now. Interesting that the last song Meredith Hunter heard as he died was Under My Thumb...Under My THumb is an anagram of 'my dumb hunter' !



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Re: Altamont Question ??
Posted by: EddieByword ()
Date: March 4, 2012 18:56

What became of the Angel gurning on the side of the stage that Mick was looking so nervous about....

I met a woman and she told me...."well baby...... well the blues ain't bad"...........

Re: Altamont Question ??
Posted by: thkbeercan ()
Date: March 4, 2012 19:03

Does it matter where he was pointing it?
He had it clearly visible and had his finger on the trigger.
What the hell was the guy doing with a gun?
Just fooling? Just playing games? Just pretending?
That's like lighting a match in a warehouse full of fireworks...just plain stupid.

Re: Altamont Question ??
Posted by: vudicus ()
Date: March 4, 2012 19:04

I really dont think there was any intention to shoot Jagger.

My guess is he was getting hassle from the angels and got brave.
There seems to be a lot of movement in that area before the incident.

Re: Altamont Question ??
Posted by: vertigojoe ()
Date: March 4, 2012 23:13

I'd say he got scared. Lone black guy with white girl 1960's America. Hell's angels. That green suit!

Re: Altamont Question ??
Date: March 5, 2012 01:01

I hope the naked fat c_nt lost some weight during the 70's!

Re: Altamont Question ??
Posted by: steffiestones ()
Date: March 5, 2012 04:14

Is there someone on the board who was there ??


Re: Altamont Question ??
Posted by: pmk251 ()
Date: March 5, 2012 18:40

It's a real Dirty Harry moment isn't it? That people responsible for repulsive behavior can actually do a violent but protective act (assuming the Angels were not the reason for him getting the gun in the first place). Then watching Jagger watch the murder. Pauline Kael had an interesting take on that scene in her review of the movie. She pondered how someone so exciting on stage could look so..."wan"...I believe the word she used. Her instincts were right, but at that moment I think for the wrong reason. I believe Jagger was pondering his mortality. Reportedly in '72 he was very worried about an attempt on his life.



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