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The recent unearthed radio interviews from January 1968 show he was enthused by a return to more earthy music. It seems that the problem, or atleast one of many problems, as you point out, was more to do with who was writing the songs.

1967 and 1968 brought such a mess of traumatic events, he seems such a lost soul by then, albeit with some musical triumphs, by late 1968 and in to 1969 however he seems to just be drifting with no sense of point or purpose.

IMO the things that finally broke him were the May 1968 drug bust and drawn out wait for the trial in September... The denied appeal in early 1969 putting bitter icing on an already bitter cake.

Are the mentioned january 1968 radiointerviews available anywhere online?

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And Brian didn't die rich by no means. In fact he owned a lot of money, - ca. 3 Million (Pound or Dollar).

Sure, he bought one of the most expensive houses in England and drove his Rollers without a penny...

Mathijs

Mathijs, I know you know a lot about the Stones but seemingly not about this.
Brian was in debt for over 3 million, which was a lot of money in those days.
As the Stones kept being even more succesfull after his death probably his debtors/ family were taken care of later. But de died in debt.

No, I don't know the details about the Stones wealth. But I do know that there has been many attempts to downscale the earnings of the Stones. Yes it is true Klein controlled their finances, and yes it is true that by 1971 the tax laws changed in such way that the would have been broke if they didn't leave England. But at the same time Bill Wyman is complaining about the lack of money he buys a huge castle and drives around in a Bentley. Jones buys one of the most expensive houses in England (one of the very few with a pool) and drives around in a white Rolls Royce, of which there where only 2 or 3 in England. Watts buys a huge farm with horse stables, also something not associated with having a lack of money.

In 1968 they just finished 5 years of touring, of which the last 3 where commercially very succesful. I just find it difficult to believe Jones was in debt with such huge amount of money.

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Is this real? 'YOU YOUKA' came out in '71, didn't it? How can Brian talk about an album that wasn't released yet? And Brian stating he recorded it in Algeria is weird, and that he wants to be rich -by all accounts he was a multi millionaire already.

I don't know what, but there's something a bit phony about this article.

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I'm not sure how exactly Brian could have been a millionaire. He was on the same par as Bill and Charlie, a non-songwriting sideman. Mick & Keith were making hundreds of thousands of pounds by 1969, but Bill & Charlie were broke, with only mechanical royalties to get by on. (Well, Bill had 'In Another Land' songwriting royalties, which couldn't have been much). Bill, Charlie and Brian needed touring to fill their coffers.

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Is this real? 'YOU YOUKA' came out in '71, didn't it? How can Brian talk about an album that wasn't released yet? And Brian stating he recorded it in Algeria is weird, and that he wants to be rich -by all accounts he was a multi millionaire already.

I don't know what, but there's something a bit phony about this article.

Mathijs

I'm not sure how exactly Brian could have been a millionaire. He was on the same par as Bill and Charlie, a non-songwriting sideman. Mick & Keith were making hundreds of thousands of pounds by 1969, but Bill & Charlie were broke, with only mechanical royalties to get by on. (Well, Bill had 'In Another Land' songwriting royalties, which couldn't have been much). Bill, Charlie and Brian needed touring to fill their coffers.

Did you ever see the house, er, castle, Bill bought in the 60's?

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Is this real? 'YOU YOUKA' came out in '71, didn't it? How can Brian talk about an album that wasn't released yet? And Brian stating he recorded it in Algeria is weird, and that he wants to be rich -by all accounts he was a multi millionaire already.

I don't know what, but there's something a bit phony about this article.

Mathijs

I'm not sure how exactly Brian could have been a millionaire. He was on the same par as Bill and Charlie, a non-songwriting sideman. Mick & Keith were making hundreds of thousands of pounds by 1969, but Bill & Charlie were broke, with only mechanical royalties to get by on. (Well, Bill had 'In Another Land' songwriting royalties, which couldn't have been much). Bill, Charlie and Brian needed touring to fill their coffers.

Did you ever see the house, er, castle, Bill bought in the 60's?

Mathijs

As Bill explains in Stone Alone, he paid 41,000 pounds (in 1968) even though he only had 1,000 pounds in the bank. I know Bill was writting a book on it's history, but his web site has nothing farther, anyone know the status?


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Brian Jones Presents the Pipes of Pan of Joujouka

The Master Musicians of Jajouka where recorded in the village of Morocco in 1968
by Brian Jones and recording engineer George Chkiantz.
Jones worked on the two-track recordings in London, adding stereo,echo and other effects.Brian Jones finished producing the LP several months before his death in 1969.The question is if Brian Jones did have a test pressing of the album in 1969? If not it must hav been a recorder

The Rolling Stones went back to Morocco to record Continental Drift (Steel Wheels)with the Masters of Jajouka in Tangier in 1989.
I myself did see the Master Musicians of Jajouka in 2003 and the vinyl from Joujouka (Japanese pressing) is in my collection since 1983.

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Brian Jones Presents the Pipes of Pan of Joujouka


Does anybody of you know this album and what do you think of this album?

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Brian Jones Presents the Pipes of Pan of Joujouka


Does anybody of you know this album and what do you think of this album?

I'm waiting

Yeah I have it on CD (had the album back in the 70's). It's good for a spin once a year, but I need to close all the windows first.


Where did you see the Master Musicians of Jajouka at?

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Brian Jones Presents the Pipes of Pan of Joujouka


Does anybody of you know this album and what do you think of this album?

I'm waiting

"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"

I know the millions debt from Brian sound quite exaggerated.I was very surprised myself back than and I have my doubts too.But apart from that amount he really died in debt.
In those years 69/70 I did the German Stones fan club - hard times cause you stood between Decca and the Stones bureau - and infos about it came from all sources involved.

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Brian Jones Presents the Pipes of Pan of Joujouka


Does anybody of you know this album and what do you think of this album?

I'm waiting

Yeah I have it on CD (had the album back in the 70's). It's good for a spin once a year, but I need to close all the windows first.


Where did you see the Master Musicians of Jajouka at?

The Hague The Masters played together with Lee Ranaldo(Sonic Youth)

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Is this real? 'YOU YOUKA' came out in '71, didn't it? How can Brian talk about an album that wasn't released yet? And Brian stating he recorded it in Algeria is weird, and that he wants to be rich -by all accounts he was a multi millionair already.

I don't know what, but there's something a bit phony about this article.

Mathijs

I don't see how Brian could have been a multi-millionaire. If you read Bill's 'Rolling With The Stones', he and Charlie are flat broke by '69, since they weren't touring. Mick & Keith had become fabulously wealthy through songwriting royalties, but Brian got none of that. I doubt he had a separate contract that paid him more than Bill & Charlie. Brian was in debt to
'the company', is probably more accurate.

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Brian Jones Presents the Pipes of Pan of Joujouka


Does anybody of you know this album and what do you think of this album?

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It's excellent, but it's a completely different kettle of fish from any stones music. Continental Drift gives you a taste, but it is far removed.

Speak of the devil. I was just filing away some of my Nellcote-era photos, including the not-so-often-seen color photos og Anita, Keith and Marlon on the flea market in Villefranche taken by Thomas Beyl.
And I thought about Thomas - do we think he still lives? He must be at least 80 by now, no?

Which photo of Thomas and Keith on the stairs (with the dogs) are we talking about again, with sssoul?

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Brian Jones Presents the Pipes of Pan of Joujouka


Does anybody of you know this album and what do you think of this album?

I'm waiting

It's excellent, but it's a completely different kettle of fish from any stones music. Continental Drift gives you a taste, but it is far removed.

Thanks for your reply, and I do agree. Here is some more info about this album;


The cover illustration on the 1971 album was originally a painting by Mohamed Hamri, depicting the master musicians with Brian Jones in the center. Jones edited the album and prepared the art work together with designer, Al Vandenburg. He put one of Hamri's son’s paintings on the inside cover.Jones finished producing the LP several months before his death in 1969.

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no no i meant what was the original German title, which i now see (thank you marcovandereijk honey!)
was "Ich pfeife auf die Rolling Stones" which babelfish translates as "i whistle on the Rolling Stones".
i don't know German but that sounds mild-mannered enough ... not like "we whistle anywhere, man!" :E

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^ Use that and it comes out as To Hell with The Rolling Stones.

It means "I don't care about the Rolling Stones", not "to hell with the Rolling Stones".

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no no i meant what was the original German title, which i now see (thank you marcovandereijk honey!)
was "Ich pfeife auf die Rolling Stones" which babelfish translates as "i whistle on the Rolling Stones".
i don't know German but that sounds mild-mannered enough ... not like "we whistle anywhere, man!" :E

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^ Use that and it comes out as To Hell with The Rolling Stones.

It means "I don't care about the Rolling Stones", not "to hell with the Rolling Stones".

Depends who you ask. According to a German friend it's an old term which isn't really used like that thse days.

* His Majesty, Prince Jones smiled as he moved among the crowd *



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We have the same expression in norwegian, and, yes, it is indeed being phased out of today's vocabulary.

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