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kammpberg
Keith and Charlie start off the next track, She Was Hot. With its metallic searing guitar lines, more powerful inter-weaving playing including Leavell’s keyboards mixing with Stu’s piano, and a wonderful melodic lead guitar solo break, this is a more powerful, full-bodied rock song than its sister She’s So Cold. Jagger’s lyrics and delivery (along with the great video) are red hot. .
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whitem8
It is very easy to criticize and take isolated instances of him playing bad. He had bad nights since he started playing, it is the nature of playing live.
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seitan
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whitem8
It is very easy to criticize and take isolated instances of him playing bad. He had bad nights since he started playing, it is the nature of playing live.
Bashing Keef is kinda like a trend here - on this website you can find million posts about how bad Keef has been on any given night, it has nothing to do with reality of him having bad nights like that 69 Hyde Park Brian Jones memorial gig, when his guitar was way out of tune, some fans need to hail Jagger and trash Keef more than ever, after Keiths funny book.
You can see that when Mick Jagger does solo performance like the recent White House gig with Jeff Beck, even Jaggers solo gigs turn into Keith bashing and he wasnt even there.
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whitem8
It is very easy to criticize and take isolated instances of him playing bad. He had bad nights since he started playing, it is the nature of playing live.
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Stoneage
I think the problem with Richards is that he has gotten away with sloppiness far too long. No one dares to tell him. It's his band he thinks. If you look at Jagger he doesn't seem to care what Keith plays anymore - he just does his bit. And Ronnie has no other choice than to play along. Bill Wyman used to bash Keith, but not in an obvious way. Now he is out of the band.
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Doxa
I don't buy this relativist argument: since it has always been like that there had been good and bad nights, so nothing has really changed, and Keith is still as good as ever. I suggest a reality check.
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DandelionPowderman
In the 90s we had the same complaints about Ronnie.
I think it's very unfair to say that Ronnie is not playing well today, judging by his activities the last few years.
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whitem8
Or perhaps it is just a case of things will never be the way they used to be. What an incredible burden it is for these guys to cary the expectations of their fans to be like they were thirty years ago... Another reason why it was perhaps wise The Beatles broke up, they could never have lived up to the expectation and legend in people's minds. It is interesting how much time, thought, and energy people put into tearing them apart.
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DandelionPowderman
In addition to his obvious physical problems, Keith also probably had a hard time getting back to playing at all after his head injury, the surgery and the recovery.
Still, he should at least be able to limit himself on stage/play a little less, but the right stuff at the right time - a thing he used to be very good at - before he got arthritis/herberden's nodes and before the accident.
- but when to do that with more dedication and point (and less show and fooling around). I am sure Keith Richards is able to express some really signifying sounds if he really puts his mind in it. I think the really old role of his - a musical core of the band, the leader - is not anymore realistic in his recent condition but he could somehow rearrange or develop his role of recent tours, and maybe alter the sound of the whole band in the process. If the whole band could concentrate more just on just music and less on show - a bit like Jagger did with "Commit A Crime" and "Miss You" at the White House - we could have musically an interesting final tour fronting us.Quote
whitem8
I don't know what show you saw on the Licks tour, but the two I saw in Singapore were fantastic and he was in fine form.
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whitem8
I don't know what show you saw on the Licks tour, but the two I saw in Singapore were fantastic and he was in fine form.
Fine form, maybe, but his playing detoriated remarkably from what he did in the 90s.
I believe, from the boots I have, that the Stockholm show I attended was an average Keith performance on the Licks tour.
Play the Four Flicks-DVD - then put on the St. Louis-DVD from 1997 to see the detoriation.
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kammpberg
Keith and Charlie start off the next track, She Was Hot. With its metallic searing guitar lines, more powerful inter-weaving playing including Leavell’s keyboards mixing with Stu’s piano, and a wonderful melodic lead guitar solo break, this is a more powerful, full-bodied rock song than its sister She’s So Cold. Jagger’s lyrics and delivery (along with the great video) are red hot. .
Yeah, the sisterhood of "She Was Hot" and "She's So Cold" is lyrically well-founded, but I think that is as far as it goes. Musically "She's So Cold" is so typical exercise in their contemporary Pathe Marconi sound. The pointed out simplicity in form - simple riff with three chords based on incredible attitude and groove - refers more to punk influence than to Chuck Berry (or what is left of tha influence inspired in 1977/78). By contrast, "She Was Hot" goes musically straight to the 50's. I would say its 'sister' song actually is "Star Star". Both are guitar-lead exercises by the world biggest Chuck Berry fan who does his job with a honest dedication. But in both cases, the classical three-chord pattern of Berry songs is not enough but enrichened by more 'melodic' elements. In "She Was Hot" the chorus is surprisingly rich in its melodical structure, and the amount of chords used is truely expectional for a Stones tune. "Star Star" is more moderate in that sense but it also has a melodic ring in its chorus that it makes it different from the classical Berry songs.
If we look other Jagger/Richards songs from that has a clear Berry vibe in them, it is rather difficult to find actually. Most of their songs are some more like applications of some basic berrian ideas, but which sound way too original to call any longer them Berry-like, or directly inspired by him. But there are expections. I think "Rip This Joint" is basically a 50's Berry rocker, just performed with such energy and contemporary edge that it almost hides the source of inspiration. There also the lyrics are so Berry-like - dropping names of places, etc. Also "Had It With You" comes to mind.
- Doxa
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kammpberg
Keith and Charlie start off the next track, She Was Hot. With its metallic searing guitar lines, more powerful inter-weaving playing including Leavell’s keyboards mixing with Stu’s piano, and a wonderful melodic lead guitar solo break, this is a more powerful, full-bodied rock song than its sister She’s So Cold. Jagger’s lyrics and delivery (along with the great video) are red hot. .
Yeah, the sisterhood of "She Was Hot" and "She's So Cold" is lyrically well-founded, but I think that is as far as it goes. Musically "She's So Cold" is so typical exercise in their contemporary Pathe Marconi sound. The pointed out simplicity in form - simple riff with three chords based on incredible attitude and groove - refers more to punk influence than to Chuck Berry (or what is left of tha influence inspired in 1977/78). By contrast, "She Was Hot" goes musically straight to the 50's. I would say its 'sister' song actually is "Star Star". Both are guitar-lead exercises by the world biggest Chuck Berry fan who does his job with a honest dedication. But in both cases, the classical three-chord pattern of Berry songs is not enough but enrichened by more 'melodic' elements. In "She Was Hot" the chorus is surprisingly rich in its melodical structure, and the amount of chords used is truely expectional for a Stones tune. "Star Star" is more moderate in that sense but it also has a melodic ring in its chorus that it makes it different from the classical Berry songs.
If we look other Jagger/Richards songs from that has a clear Berry vibe in them, it is rather difficult to find actually. Most of their songs are some more like applications of some basic berrian ideas, but which sound way too original to call any longer them Berry-like, or directly inspired by him. But there are expections. I think "Rip This Joint" is basically a 50's Berry rocker, just performed with such energy and contemporary edge that it almost hides the source of inspiration. There also the lyrics are so Berry-like - dropping names of places, etc. Also "Had It With You" comes to mind.
- Doxa
Doxa, I could say the same thing about, say..
Brand New Car on Voodoo Lounge - that song is pure Chuck Berry - it could have been perfect on some Brian Jones era early sixties albums and so is Mean Disposition and Flip The Switch on Bridges...
- Another oldies 50´s style song on Undercover is I Wanna Hold You - it reminds me of Buddy Holly. It´s kinda 50 style pop song, maybe not a fast rocker but it has that Buddy Hollyish/Everly Brothersish 50's pop to it.
When people talk about the 50´s they always remember the Chuck Berry, Little Richard kinda of fast rockers and they forget the 50´s pop, the likes of Buddy Holly and Everly Brothers...there was plenty of 50´s pop on albums like Beetween The Buttons and Aftermath back in the sixties, - I would call that sixties pop era Stones - and those kind of poppy tunes can be found on later day albums too.
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WeLoveYou
There was sloppy playing at Hyde Park 1969, but there was some perfect playing: HTW and Midnight Rambler spring to mind.
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seitan
Doxa, I could say the same thing about, say..
Brand New Car on Voodoo Lounge - that song is pure Chuck Berry - it could have been perfect on some Brian Jones era early sixties albums and so is Mean Disposition and Flip The Switch on Bridges...
- Another oldies 50´s style song on Undercover is I Wanna Hold You - it reminds me of Buddy Holly. It´s kinda 50 style pop song, maybe not a fast rocker but it has that Buddy Hollyish/Everly Brothersish 50's pop to it.
When people talk about the 50´s they always remember the Chuck Berry, Little Richard kinda of fast rockers and they forget the 50´s pop, the likes of Buddy Holly and Everly Brothers...there was plenty of 50´s pop on albums like Beetween The Buttons and Aftermath back in the sixties, - I would call that sixties pop era Stones - and those kind of poppy tunes can be found on later day albums too.
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kammpberg
Keith and Charlie start off the next track, She Was Hot. With its metallic searing guitar lines, more powerful inter-weaving playing including Leavell’s keyboards mixing with Stu’s piano, and a wonderful melodic lead guitar solo break, this is a more powerful, full-bodied rock song than its sister She’s So Cold. Jagger’s lyrics and delivery (along with the great video) are red hot. .
Yeah, the sisterhood of "She Was Hot" and "She's So Cold" is lyrically well-founded, but I think that is as far as it goes. Musically "She's So Cold" is so typical exercise in their contemporary Pathe Marconi sound. The pointed out simplicity in form - simple riff with three chords based on incredible attitude and groove - refers more to punk influence than to Chuck Berry (or what is left of tha influence inspired in 1977/78). By contrast, "She Was Hot" goes musically straight to the 50's. I would say its 'sister' song actually is "Star Star". Both are guitar-lead exercises by the world biggest Chuck Berry fan who does his job with a honest dedication. But in both cases, the classical three-chord pattern of Berry songs is not enough but enrichened by more 'melodic' elements. In "She Was Hot" the chorus is surprisingly rich in its melodical structure, and the amount of chords used is truely expectional for a Stones tune. "Star Star" is more moderate in that sense but it also has a melodic ring in its chorus that it makes it different from the classical Berry songs.
If we look other Jagger/Richards songs from that has a clear Berry vibe in them, it is rather difficult to find actually. Most of their songs are some more like applications of some basic berrian ideas, but which sound way too original to call any longer them Berry-like, or directly inspired by him. But there are expections. I think "Rip This Joint" is basically a 50's Berry rocker, just performed with such energy and contemporary edge that it almost hides the source of inspiration. There also the lyrics are so Berry-like - dropping names of places, etc. Also "Had It With You" comes to mind.
- Doxa
Doxa, I could say the same thing about, say..
Brand New Car on Voodoo Lounge - that song is pure Chuck Berry - it could have been perfect on some Brian Jones era early sixties albums and so is Mean Disposition and Flip The Switch on Bridges...
- Another oldies 50´s style song on Undercover is I Wanna Hold You - it reminds me of Buddy Holly. It´s kinda 50 style pop song, maybe not a fast rocker but it has that Buddy Hollyish/Everly Brothersish 50's pop to it.
When people talk about the 50´s they always remember the Chuck Berry, Little Richard kinda of fast rockers and they forget the 50´s pop, the likes of Buddy Holly and Everly Brothers...there was plenty of 50´s pop on albums like Beetween The Buttons and Aftermath back in the sixties, - I would call that sixties pop era Stones - and those kind of poppy tunes can be found on later day albums too.
Keith admires the Everly Brothers and Hoagy Carmichael very much. I like his poppy stuff, Wanna Hold You included.