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Neo-liberals are people like Obama and the Clintons, whose "security" policies,
both domestically and internationally, are basically neo-con lite.

Very good, Revvy. But I might add that the U.S. political discourse is quite different from the European. I do not consider either Obama or Clinton to be neoliberals. Not at all, they are liberals without prefixes. Ronald Reagan, however, was a neoliberal. He was very influenced by Milton Friedman's economical theories and so on. I won't go deeper into this. Just Wikipeed it, those of you, who want to know more.

Not that it matters to this forum, but you are way more right than I am about
"neoliberalism", since I wasn't even aware of how established a term it was in
non-American discourse for that Friedman stuff.

I was only aware of the term's more recent and essentially unrelated
usage, where it conveys "false" left/liberal in the same way neo-con
conveys "false conservative". In other words, the notion that it doesn't
really matter who you vote for (like it used to in the past) or what they
say they're gonna do if they get in, because they're all gonna do more or less
the same thing, because they're all bought and paid for by more or less the
same interest groups. Their differences may be entertaining, like pro wrestling,
but they all work for Vince McMahon, so to speak.

So what I think it boils down to is that you seem to take any differences
between Reagan and Clinton and Bush and Obama way more seriously than I do.
A choice between cancer and polio, as far as I'm concerned. And that's
where this discussion started, that in my opinion Jagger associates to a
very modest degree with this or that politician because it creates a bit
more space for him to do his thing. But his thing is not to defend or express
any alliance or allegiance with any of these hypocritical political creeds,
because they're all really just cover stories for what's really going on.
And Mick as an artist is only interested in what's really going on.

Sure, Mick likes to figure out how he might get paid well for expressing
himself, and so he's always been on top of how the music business works.
But at heart he's just a song and dance man, who does a little social
commentary on the side. He has no power to change anything, and doesn't
pretend to, doesn't pander to the cause of the day to ingratiate himself
with this or that demographic, at least not anymore than is absolutely
unavoidable. If he sees an advantage in going to something like Davos, he goes,
he sniffs the wind, he dances with some of the female "young leaders", and
then he gets the hell out of dodge, because he knows what total bullshit
it all is.

Ever met Mick
Any long conversations?

there's these things called lyrics and interviews. especially lyrics. it is
the ONLY place mick is fairly honest. with his friends, he's kinda often put
in the position of having to lie. or take a fall. so of course he lies.
given that choice, wouldn't you?

its like picasso. you never look for the truth in what he says. just in what
he paints. any artist that tells the truth is not really an artist. just
a polemicist.

Superrevvy,

Unless you know Mick Jagger personally, a lot of what you're saying here is speculative to say the least. As opposed to what Jagger really feels and thinks.

and of course its not just the lyrics, which are just words. its also the actions,
which speak louder than...

why does he stick with jerry hall to a certain point and then suddenly bolt for
this very tall thing? why does he put the world on hold with regard to the
50th? why does he not ever confess how he feels? why does he pull the plug on
superheavy right when it goes top 5 in dozens of countries?

your position seems to be "i can't possibly know unless mick tells me"

my position is, "mick will never tell you, and if he does he's purposefully
lieing, so you might as well get to work on the problem yourself or with
others, because there is no alternative. except eternal ignorance"

no, what i'm saying is that knowing mick personally is of no help whatsoever.

keith: "i've known the man since the sandpit, and he's never revealed himself
to me once. not once."

its like how do you know how quantum physics works? quantum physics absolutely
will not tell you. you have to figure it out.

but you're right that i'm only one of many mick jagger theorists. i'm a serious
one, having studied and reasoned hard, but i can offer no guarantees.



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Good answer.
I don't know you personally and some of what I perceive about you might be wrong. I'm sure you're more interesting and probably knowledgable about all sorts of things. Let's do lunch sometime.

Where do you reside? I'll fly in.

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Good answer.
I don't know you personally and some of what I perceive about you might be wrong. I'm sure you're more interesting and probably knowledgable about all sorts of things. Let's do lunch sometime.

Where do you reside? I'll fly in.

Going to be a long flight stonesrule. I believe the Rev is somewhere down under.

"It's just some friends of mine and they're busting down the door"

Rockman is the ONLY man I'll fly that far to see.

mick [the unintended embodiment/symbol of lucifer] performing at the white-house to me is a definite sign that the world is ending soon.
removes tongue from cheek

;-)



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Superrevvy, it is apparent from your name and your multitude of opinions on diverse subjects that you are always "super revved up."

Are you as honest with yourself as you believe yourself to be about others.
Every time I begin to think you are intelligent I read stuff like "Why does he stick with Jerry Hall and then bolt for this very tall thing?" Did you hope that Jagger would end up at YOUR house?

It's none of your business and this is going back some years. Your words are less than accurate and certainly immature regarding Ms. Scott. Are you here at IORR for music or basically just to rehash ancient tabloid stories?

Is your "personal" life spotless? How about your career? Have you any regrets about your own actions growing up or as an adult?

You don't need to reply. And I'm cancelling my lunch invitation. I think I'd rather spend that time with Justin Bieber.

Rockman is the ONLY man I'll fly that far to see.

.... let me know first so mum can part my hair and iron me hankies ...
And where ya gonna land???.. Tulla charges more for an hours parkin'
than what Heidi Fliess' would sting ya for two nights at her love-shack ....

But if ya in a Cessna then ya could touch down at Grovedale and they got free-parkin' and no customs officers....



ROCKMAN

Rockman, puh-lese no more directions for those who lurk here.
I've memorized everything.

May see you in the US or London before I hit East Goolong.

stonesrule, you got me wrong yet again...

ask Bliss. NOBODY in fandom did more to bolster Ms. Scott than yours truly...

PAGES of adoration for her when she was being beat up on all the Stones fan sites.

and by the way, my personal life is indeed spotless. ask either one of my
girlfriends...

on second thought, don't ask "reba". she doesn't know about "ri-ri". but do ask
"ri-ri". she'll set you straight about what a total sweetheart i am. and how
much i sacrifice and bleed for both of them.

Wow! I must be so wrong.

It's so GREAT of you to "bolster Ms. Scott," a person you don't even know.

Thank God, I missed those posts.

Isn't there a cut-off age for "fandom"? Or is being an intelligent adult on occasion completely out of fashion?

Maybe it's "Reba" and "ri-ri" that I should be taking to lunch -- not YOU.

Unfortunately, time is fleeting and I really don't have any interest in your personal life.

"...why does he stick with jerry hall to a certain point and then suddenly bolt for
this very tall thing?"

I thought Jerry was fairly clear about finally leaving him when he fathered a child with another woman. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

As far as Mick's politics or lack of them, we all have our guesses, more or less close to or removed from the truth. Performing at the
White House for Obama's tribute to the blues may or may not indicate affiliation. Yet I doubt, just my own feeling, if he would perform if he
really hated the politician in charge.

~"Love is Strong"~

Actually, of all the wonderful fan things I've done, I think singlehandedly
stopping all the disgusting trash-talk about L'Wren is my most shining moment...

I did it with her quotes and her fashions and what her friends said about her.

And, s.r., I'm pretty sure neither reba nor ri-ri could stomach you.
I would have to intermediate on your behalf, make excuses for your poor
manners, because they're total salt-of-the-earth aussies and wouldn't put
up with your celeb-pretensions for two seconds.

Anyway, in my continuing effort to be better misunderstood, plus with stones-
related content, here is the one and only youtube "video" i have ever made.
For the curious it starts off with a surreal self-portrait of yours truly
and ends with a photo of me relaxing with a book in my backyard. the
soundtrack is joss stone featuring jeff beck "parallel lines"

I've always though there is 'Mick Jagger' rock star and then Mick the private man. I sat behind him on a plane once and tried to listen in to his conversation. didn't heard much but about good meals he'd had in London.

Superrevvy...it's all about you.

Thanks for posting that beautiful photo of Mick in the white shirt w/ guitar from the White House rehearsals, very nice! I just had to comment on 24fps's calling Mick " decrepit"....I don't think the words Mick Jagger and " decrepit" should ever appear in the same sentence, especially the way it was worded there. " Winded" maybe so but " decrepit" is way off base. And I thought it was funny someone mentioned that Jeff Beck looked like Roy Orbison....disturbing but TRUE!

I'm sorry mickschix, decrepit may be a harsh word but he is starting to look his age, which is 68. And his thinness doesn't help him look younger anymore, rather the contrary. Time waits for no one.

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he is starting to look his age

Starting maybe, but still a long way from looking his age

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I remember reading in the newspaper that there are cities in America where there is not only a minimum score on a test you need to qualify as a cop, but also a maximum! Apparently if you're too smart, they won't hire you! I always meant to follow up on that article to see if this was a widespread practice, but I never have.

A professor once told me the reasoning behind that is smart people aren't as obedient; they question orders rather than just following them. I don't know how widespread the practice is.

Thanks for the Joss Stone track; that was nice.

I will have to respectfully disagree with you Stoneage. He sure looks great for 68, & as Hansie said, " starting, maybe"...that photo of him at the rehearsal that I referred to does not look like a 68 year old....I look at men on MATCH.COM who are 58 and they look many years older than Sir Mick. I think age is a mental thing. He will always be forward thinking and youthful because he's a bit like Peter Pan...in the good sense. Or better yet, like Dorian Grey. I should be so lucky to look that well at 68. I DO agree that he's too thin and as we age, the wrinkles are more noticeable if you're exceptionally thin. I'd like to see ten pounds on his frame.

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I should be so lucky to look that well at 68.

Doesn't that count for all of us ?

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Yes, it does count for all of us!! Gotta love the man!! He is quite a speciman! A great example of how exercise and healthy eating can really be the Fountain of Youth.

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Date: March 6, 2012 01:20

Yes, it does count for all of us!! Gotta love the man!! He is quite a speciman! A great example of how exercise and healthy eating can really be the Fountain of Youth.

And some amazing genes.

There's an article in the Daily Mail today about a new book that outs Mick as a supposed "closet conservative," among other topics. Hmph.

[www.dailymail.co.uk]

But do check out the lovely pic of Mick & Biana, stunning:

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He is quite a speciman!

Speciman...I love that!! I agree with all you've said Mickschix

Mick Jagger is great. He is a good inspiration as far as growing older and keeping it fun. It's still a thrill to know that he is going to show up on stage when he does( MSG with U2 ,Grammys, White House), at least it's for me. Mick is a dedicated performer because he knows he can physically deliver the goods; keep on running and rocking Mick you make most of us happy.
Rock and Roll,
Mops