It's an interesting dynamic. Lennon was one of the few people that Mick was dwarfed by in his presence. I believe Mick said once that it was like being in the company of the most famous man in the world. I loved Lennon, recognized how f'd up he was, and didn't let him negate my love of the Rolling Stones in any way. Yes, the Stones need each other. They create something bigger than their individual parts when they fuse. Big deal. It's not a sin.

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It's an interesting dynamic. Lennon was one of the few people that Mick was dwarfed by in his presence. I believe Mick said once that it was like being in the company of the most famous man in the world. I loved Lennon, recognized how f'd up he was, and didn't let him negate my love of the Rolling Stones in any way. Yes, the Stones need each other. They create something bigger than their individual parts when they fuse. Big deal. It's not a sin.

yeah that's it. peace

One thing only. The Beatles were done 42 years ago. The Stones are not.

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Wasn't there some speculation as well, that 'A Bigger Bang' came as a 'response' to 'How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb'.

Makes no sense, especially when the 'biggest bang' is just a theory that never seems to hold up and has nothing to do with atomic bombs. That and that scientists are stuck in this belief that everything has a beginning and an end.

don't shoot the messenger

I wasn't! It was merely a comment! If I was shooting the messenger you'd know it.

Fascinating stuff & a great find. This board has never really discussed the issue.

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Fascinating stuff & a great find. This board has never really discussed the issue.

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For those who don't know but Lennon use to call MJ "McFaggot"
May Pang wrote that in her book.

Lennon's behavior is that of a bitter jealous guy. Perhaps he knew that
beneath Beatlemania, peel away all that hype....and he really wished he could
have been a Rolling Stone, really loved the Stones music but his huge ego turned
him towards jealousy and not honesty.

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Wasn't there some speculation as well, that 'A Bigger Bang' came as a 'response' to 'How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb'.

Makes no sense, especially when the 'biggest bang' is just a theory that never seems to hold up and has nothing to do with atomic bombs. That and that scientists are stuck in this belief that everything has a beginning and an end.

don't shoot the messenger

I wasn't! It was merely a comment! If I was shooting the messenger you'd know it.

well somebody winged me! I'm bleeding from my hip!

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It's an interesting dynamic. Lennon was one of the few people that Mick was dwarfed by in his presence. I believe Mick said once that it was like being in the company of the most famous man in the world. I loved Lennon, recognized how f'd up he was, and didn't let him negate my love of the Rolling Stones in any way. Yes, the Stones need each other. They create something bigger than their individual parts when they fuse. Big deal. It's not a sin.

That was the feeling I got as well, when I viewed the dialogue between the two on RnR Circus, uring the intro of the Dirty Mac.

Like I said I hadn't seen or heard that clip before. It certainly wasnt meant to be a 'My God, looked what I've discovered!,' simply thought I'd share it with others who may not have come across it before.

Keith in the early '70s responds to Lennons statement that the Stones largely imitated the Beatles:

for your info whitem 8,i hit the wrong key,but the statement is a fact,i take it your a disgruntled beatle fan,that actually thinks the beatles are even in the same leauge as the stones.

Not disgruntled at all. This is music, and fun. And I am glad to be able to like both bands very much.

Brilliant album from 1974...


I was driving home early Sunday morning through Bakersfield...

Probably John's dislike for Mick's "genderplaying" comes from the very same reasons as Keith's: They were both working-class (John and Keith).

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My impression of him is that he was ... the only true intellectual or political Beatle or Stone.

Political yes. Intellectual? I really wonder if he even knew who Herbert Marcuse was for example.

To me he was more of a "pub thinker" like "ya know what pal? War is an ugly thing, period! Wars shouldn't exist! Want another ale, pally? It's on me!"

And he put that to music.

Jagger and co. were more cynical or they had more taste.



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Well, I don't know how well read John was, dcba. But he kept some distance to the artificial world of Rock & Roll and was always trying to connect to the world of ordinary people. And he was active in the peace-movement and stood up for his beliefs. He returned his MBE in protest to the Biafra war and he protested against the US Vietnam war (even though he was threatened to be thrown out of the US). In the context he was working in, the popular music scene, I would certainly call him an intellectual. He kind of stood out from the rest. And he paid a price for it in the end.

Listen carefully to 'One hit to the body' and you will find Mick's sometimes sounding like Michael Jackson...haven't thought of that before...


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Lennon's behavior is that of a bitter jealous guy. Perhaps he knew that
beneath Beatlemania, peel away all that hype....and he really wished he could
have been a Rolling Stone, really loved the Stones music but his huge ego turned
him towards jealousy and not honesty.

Lennen had an inferiority complex. Everything he did screamed it. He couldn't just be down to earth. He spent his days ripping everyone apart to make himself feel better, or trying to build himself up.

I really can't believe anyone fell for his game. The whole Peace and Love thing was a joke. Yeah like the great majority of people don't want Peace right. Lying in bed for Peace..LOL. Silly nonesense.


Lennon was a bore like all people with inferiority complexes are. And basically he was just an idiot with too much time on his hands. Anyone remember when he actually went on a talk show claiming that the gov't has no right to jail people. he and Yoko were arguing with the audience about it. They were claiming that the gov't didn't even have the right to jail murderers. Tehn when Chapman came up for parole Yoko wrote a long letter demanding that he stay in jail. Sums up the foolishness and Hypocrisy that the Lennons were all about.

Yes, to paraphrase, John was an interesting bunch of guys. But he might have been the second best rock vocalist of all time, behind only Elvis. There was pain and vulnerability in that voice. He was more 'Hollywood' in his political affectations than necessary. But he balanced it out by such brilliant strokes as using his fame and money to buy billboards declaring War Is Over (If You Want It). Or using his clout to get 'Woman Is The Nigger of the World' played on AM Radio! Personally I can't listen to his first album without being unsettled emotionally. There were emotions expressed there that I haven't seen expressed before or since. (and they really hit home).

So, yeah, he was one complicated Libra. But if an artist is to be judged by their best, please, he's a giant. Even though 'Walls & Bridges' sucked.

It is quite surprising how homophobic some of Lennon's comments reveal him to be...the great humanist denigrating a supposed friend with a puerile slur that slanders an entire section of society..."Imagine" indeed. (His comments would be somewhat understandable coming from a working class proletarian sitting at the Pub with his 5th Ale, but coming from the man who basically invented the Peace and Love decade and the concept of a benevolent Rock Aristocracy imparting wisdom to the masses with messages such as All You Need Is Love, not to mention his panaceas in Imagine...hmmmm...disillusioning to say the least...but it perhaps exposes Lennon's lower-working-class socio-economic roots as well as the perversely liberating bitterness an rancor he was inspired to spew out after the yoke of the Beatles had been lifted from his shoulders)

Lennon was indeed a complex character, but his talent was gigantic. Jagger knew it and was awed by it. Watch and listen to their dialog in Rock and Roll Circus...and then Lennon leading the Dirty Mac...the ferocity of his singing is frightening. Lennon was so effortlessly brilliant. I don't think this is something one can claim for the Stones, as great as they could be. The Beatles were a Force of Nature. Yes, some of their material has aged badly (as has some of the Stones' 60's output) but anyone who was alive during the 1960's can tell you that they were in their own Pantheon...there were The Beatles...and then there was everybody else.

You may like them or hate them...but their musical output defined a decade and the brilliance of their work is unassailable.



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"Can You Dig It" (Let It Be)

He does a mean Mick impression briefly.

Followed by "Hark The Angels Come"



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Pricless beyond priceless.

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But rock 'n roll is not supposed to be a competition! Yeah, right.

Don't think for a minute that the pious Bono didn't want to smash the Stones all time tour gross record to pieces. Beware of those in sheep's clothing! In fact, beware of any male that isn't low on testosterone!

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Keith in the early '70s responds to Lennons statement that the Stones largely imitated the Beatles:

Great to hear how they really felt in those days. They have grown older and wiser or more PC these days to verbalize how it really was at times back then. Or maybe a case of selective memory. We tend not to want to remember the bad and the ugly as opposed to the good.

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Fascinating stuff & a great find. This board has never really discussed the issue.

I agree.

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Political yes. Intellectual? I really wonder if he even knew who Herbert Marcuse was for example.

To me he was more of a "pub thinker" like "ya know what pal? War is an ugly thing, period! Wars shouldn't exist! Want another ale, pally? It's on me!"

And he put that to music.

Jagger and co. were more cynical or they had more taste.

Political ? Not sure, but some people used him for it.
Intellectual ? I would rather say that the guy had some ideas , you like them or hate them, but let's say that he wasn't like most of the musicians tryin' to escape some questions that could get him uncomfortable.The guy had guts, the musician was a genius.

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StonesCave

Oh please

Lennon was the biggest hypocrite of all times.
He was also one of the biggest trendies too.

Don't ask me to back this up
I'm liable to change my mind too.

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Lennon was the biggest hypocrite of all times.

He used to say it about himself too.

Of course in doing that he was deflecting.

John was a pr*ck, and he would of admitted that also.

Of course in doing that he was also deflecting.

John couldn't help himself, but that was all his Dad and Mum's fault anyway and he made songs about it.

Erm.... John wasn't very nice.

I still love his work.