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forget Paul and Ringo to play with the Stones on stage and
I saw BB King a few weeks ago, I dont think he can play on stage anymore.

Why not Cuck Leavell on piano - he´s the only musician who still knows how the play the stones songs (Ron and Keith will not remember, Mick and Charlie never know the cords) - so they will not play without him

If knowing the songs is the main criteria, then I should play with the Stones too. Chuck's style is horrible for the Stones.

As for Charlie not knowing the chords, I don't think the drummer not knowing the chords has ever really been a problem.

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You all totally overrate Rick Rubin as a record producer. His current squashed,
brickwalled sound would be a disaster for the Stones. Mick and Keith are not about to let anyone produce them in the sense of telling them what to do anyway. When it used to work, Keith would more or less produce the basic tracks and Mick would then produce his input, not all that different from the way he's approached the reissues. The problem is that their work hasn't gelled, not the "producer".

I think maybe people assume based on Wandering Spirit and others that Rubin would be able to draw out great material from Mick and Keith by not acepting every idea they offered.

I think that's probably more of the appeal of the idea of Rubin as producer. Not his sound per se.

But people have periods of greater creativity and i doubt a producer has much to do with that.

It's interesting that the outtakes are turning out so well though.

I admit I'd be curious to hear what T Bone woul do with the Stones but I don't really understand pushing him as a choice for producer.

Has he even done a rock and roll album yet?

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If knowing the songs is the main criteria, then I should play with the Stones too....

As for Charlie not knowing the chords, I don't think the drummer not knowing the chords has ever really been a problem.

thats right! - Hope to see you next year on stage 71Tele

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If knowing the songs is the main criteria, then I should play with the Stones too....

As for Charlie not knowing the chords, I don't think the drummer not knowing the chords has ever really been a problem.

thats right! - Hope to see you next year on stage 71Tele

LOL...My point was that anyone can know the songs. With Chuck Leavell, that seems to have become the justification for having him in the band.

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If knowing the songs is the main criteria, then I should play with the Stones too....

As for Charlie not knowing the chords, I don't think the drummer not knowing the chords has ever really been a problem.

thats right! - Hope to see you next year on stage 71Tele

LOL...My point was that anyone can know the songs. With Chuck Leavell, that seems to have become the justification for having him in the band.

That and the fact that Ian Stewart recommended him and the rest of the band liked him.

"It's just some friends of mine and they're busting down the door"

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Mick and Charlie never know the cords) - so they will not play without him

I bet Charlie knows the chords, he's a jazz drummer as well.

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I admit I'd be curious to hear what T Bone woul do with the Stones but I don't really understand pushing him as a choice for producer.

Has he even done a rock and roll album yet?

Lanois did Neil Young's most recent ( hence the word play in its title )
AND Dylan's terrific "Oh Mercy".

T-Bone did a terrific job on Krauss / Plant's LP though it does have flaws.

But we've come to expect flaws in Stones' LPs, right? I think we should give Don
a break, and truly earn his surname, "Was". New blood.

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If knowing the songs is the main criteria, then I should play with the Stones too....

As for Charlie not knowing the chords, I don't think the drummer not knowing the chords has ever really been a problem.

thats right! - Hope to see you next year on stage 71Tele

LOL...My point was that anyone can know the songs. With Chuck Leavell, that seems to have become the justification for having him in the band.

That and the fact that Ian Stewart recommended him and the rest of the band liked him.

That's true. Unfortunately knowing all of that doesn't make him sound any better.



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Rubin's busy with Ozzy's extended family. Lessee if he can guide that trainwreck
as opposed to what happened with CSN's delayed covers LP.

T-Bone would be PERFECT. Daniel Lanois a good second choice.

Players? Waddy and Blondie will prolly support, but the keys will most definitely
go to Chuck. If not, Mr Rebbonack, Sir Duke or Mr Waters would all be good fits.

BTW ... wazzup with The Winos' release? On hold? In can?

Why so much hype about Blondie, what specially good about him? There are other guitarist with way more potential.

He is a good back up-singer

and the best guitarist on the stage.

I'd give that honour to Mick Jagger.

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I admit I'd be curious to hear what T Bone woul do with the Stones but I don't really understand pushing him as a choice for producer.

Has he even done a rock and roll album yet?

Lanois did Neil Young's most recent ( hence the word play in its title )
AND Dylan's terrific "Oh Mercy".

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Neither were really 'rock and roll' albums, though (he also did Dylan's 'Time out of Mind', incidentally)

Lanois is a great producer, no doubt, but his albums tend to have their distinctive sonic footprint all over them.

He'd be a bloody awful choice to produce the Stones IMO. I really think people throw the names of famous producers around like confetti and just blindly assume because they made good records with someone else, thats automatically going to mean they'll do one with the Stones.

...before the Some Girl out takes I would have been one of the first to sign a petition for a new producer...but the out takes seem to indicate it's the songs....these out takes sound better....the best since.....

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I admit I'd be curious to hear what T Bone woul do with the Stones but I don't really understand pushing him as a choice for producer.

Has he even done a rock and roll album yet?

Lanois did Neil Young's most recent ( hence the word play in its title )
AND Dylan's terrific "Oh Mercy".

.

Neither were really 'rock and roll' albums, though (he also did Dylan's 'Time out of Mind', incidentally)

Lanois is a great producer, no doubt, but his albums tend to have their distinctive sonic footprint all over them.

He'd be a bloody awful choice to produce the Stones IMO. I really think people throw the names of famous producers around like confetti and just blindly assume because they made good records with someone else, thats automatically going to mean they'll do one with the Stones.

Agree. Lanois makes every album sound like a Lanois album. Might be ok for Emmylou Harris, but not the Stones. Why do so many people suggest him for the Stones (him and Rick Rubin)?

because he's very adept at making (selected) ageing rock stars sound good?

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I admit I'd be curious to hear what T Bone woul do with the Stones but I don't really understand pushing him as a choice for producer.

Has he even done a rock and roll album yet?

Lanois did Neil Young's most recent ( hence the word play in its title )
AND Dylan's terrific "Oh Mercy".

.

Neither were really 'rock and roll' albums, though (he also did Dylan's 'Time out of Mind', incidentally)

Lanois is a great producer, no doubt, but his albums tend to have their distinctive sonic footprint all over them.

He'd be a bloody awful choice to produce the Stones IMO. I really think people throw the names of famous producers around like confetti and just blindly assume because they made good records with someone else, thats automatically going to mean they'll do one with the Stones.

Not sure why my question about T-Bone Burnett was answered with Daniel Lanois's career stats.

But anyway, as a curiosity factor I would be interested in hearing Lanois or Burnett work with the Stones. But heres my problem, The Stones have not been prolific in the last 20 years and I do not want to waste the one album they do every 5-7 years to be a curiosity produced by Lanois or Burnett.

I think Lanois might be capable of making another sound. His work with Peter Gabriel is distinctive but doesn't sound like Time out of Mind.

But neither have done (to my knowledge) the kind of Rock and Roll record that I would want to hear The Stones do.

If you want the Stones to do country, T-Bone would be a good choice. Or Fred Foster, or Billy Sherrill.

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Rubin's busy with Ozzy's extended family. Lessee if he can guide that trainwreck
as opposed to what happened with CSN's delayed covers LP.

T-Bone would be PERFECT. Daniel Lanois a good second choice.

Players? Waddy and Blondie will prolly support, but the keys will most definitely
go to Chuck. If not, Mr Rebbonack, Sir Duke or Mr Waters would all be good fits.

BTW ... wazzup with The Winos' release? On hold? In can?

Why so much hype about Blondie, what specially good about him? There are other guitarist with way more potential.

He is a good back up-singer

and the best guitarist on the stage.

I'd give that honour to Mick Jagger.

Do anyone actually beleive that Mick Jagger is a better guitar player than Ronnie Wood??



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Do anyone actually beleive that Mick Jagger is a better guitar player than Ronnie Wood??

Nope. And Ronnie ain't a better singer than Mick, nor a better harmonica player.

I want to get lost in your rock 'n roll and drift away

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That's true. Unfortunately knowing all of that doesn't make him sound any better.

for me the Main thing ist: piano is piano and the sound of it is more or less equal. Important are the the guitars, the bass and the drums!
and a little bit the voice.

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Mick and Charlie never know the cords) - so they will not play without him

I bet Charlie knows the chords, he's a jazz drummer as well.

I dont believe that jazz drumners knowing the chords of songs - the most I played with didnt even know the main chord

I learned to play guitar to the drumming of Charlie Watts decades ago and I know all the chords and various open tuning set ups.

(Note to Pierre: I'd like to open the first week of shows with 19th Nervous Breakdown and then follow it up with Miss You and Too Tight-please plan accordingly. Note to catering: I prefer ESB with roasted meats, veg and a small salad three hours before the show.)

I would like Tom Waits to produce the pre-tour album. Chuck and any of Mick's past "collaborative" producers (are you reading this Matt?) are not allowed.

By the way, I know what I am getting into. My job description and business card will read "Charlie Watts' Guitarist".

If the Rolling Stones line up include Blondi Chaplin or Waddy or anybody as guitar players, i prefer no new RS's music at all.
RS's line up is SACRED:
MJ + KR + ChW + RW...........................................

Chaplin's already been playing more guitar on each of the last couple of tours....

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Mick and Charlie never know the cords) - so they will not play without him

I bet Charlie knows the chords, he's a jazz drummer as well.

I dont believe that jazz drumners knowing the chords of songs - the most I played with didnt even know the main chord

If they don't get lost in chord progression that's fine with me.

but where is mick now while the other 3 are playing?

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but where is mick now while the other 3 are playing?

probable at a fashion show

OK, seriously, this notion of jamming without Mick seems like the post Tattoo You era studio time of Dirty Work and Undercover.

Are they going to a London studio or somewhere else on the continent?

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Chaplin's already been playing more guitar on each of the last couple of tours....

I think Charlie Chaplin is a better guitar player.

"It's just some friends of mine and they're busting down the door"

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That's true. Unfortunately knowing all of that doesn't make him sound any better.

for me the Main thing ist: piano is piano and the sound of it is more or less equal. Important are the the guitars, the bass and the drums!
and a little bit the voice.

If you say so.

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That's true. Unfortunately knowing all of that doesn't make him sound any better.

for me the Main thing ist: piano is piano and the sound of it is more or less equal. Important are the the guitars, the bass and the drums!
and a little bit the voice.

If you say so.

Chuck sucks. Starting to think we'd be better served by anyone... Barry Manilow, Peter Noone, Eddie Van Halen..whoever.

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I admit I'd be curious to hear what T Bone woul do with the Stones but I don't really understand pushing him as a choice for producer.

Has he even done a rock and roll album yet?

Lanois did Neil Young's most recent ( hence the word play in its title )
AND Dylan's terrific "Oh Mercy".

.

Neither were really 'rock and roll' albums, though (he also did Dylan's 'Time out of Mind', incidentally)

Lanois is a great producer, no doubt, but his albums tend to have their distinctive sonic footprint all over them.

He'd be a bloody awful choice to produce the Stones IMO. I really think people throw the names of famous producers around like confetti and just blindly assume because they made good records with someone else, thats automatically going to mean they'll do one with the Stones.

Right! And didn't we go through all that with Dirty Work already?!