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Yes, I saw that interview when it was originally broadcast. I'm guessing that was the first time anyone out there knew about Charlie's issues. Considering he went "cold turkey" after suffering a broken ankle there was no drug rehab involved, could be the reason why there was no media coverage since Charlie prefers to remain a "private" individual.
But that was after to 60 Minutes interview.
Charlie alludes to it but doesn't go into detail (1min 17) in this great interview from the Jonathan Ross show in 1991 when he was promoting the Charlie Parker LP. Think this was his first - maybe only? - solo interview on a live chat show like this. Great live performance from the quintet here too....
"I'm not as straight as people think"
Never saw that interview, thanks for sharing!
And he looked dirty and unshaved. CW himself revealed that during the DW sessions he fell off his drumstool. Keith picked him up and said "hey that's sth I'm supposed to do!".
So when Mick said a tour to promote DW wasn't possible because "the band was in bad shape" trust him!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-10-10 19:46 by dcba.
Exactly, they were in no shape to go on the road given Charlie's condition. I think Mick and Keith were protecting Charlie during that period.
Must have been from a clairvoyant, because apparently it did not occur til the 80s.
uh...yeah.
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Charlie's "mid life" crisis
Posted by:
Sam Spade
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Date: October 9, 2011 16:51
Since there was no World Wide Web and this site wasn't yet founded, when did you first learn Charlie was going thru a "mid life" crisis with booze and drugs in the early to mid '80's?
I was still living in New York at the time and can't recall the story in the media. To be honest, the first I heard of it was the 60 Minutes interview with Ed Bradley during the VL tour.
I was still living in New York at the time and can't recall the story in the media. To be honest, the first I heard of it was the 60 Minutes interview with Ed Bradley during the VL tour.
Re: Charlie's "mid life" crisis
Posted by:
NICOS
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Date: October 9, 2011 16:53
I didn't know ..........since IORR
Re: Charlie's "mid life" crisis
Posted by:
Edith Grove
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Date: October 9, 2011 17:10
60 Minutes for me too.
Re: Charlie's "mid life" crisis
Posted by:
windmelody
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Date: October 9, 2011 17:14
In 1996 he gave an interview to Rolling Stone magazin to promote "Long ago and far way" in which he talked about his problems.
Re: Charlie's "mid life" crisis
Posted by:
Edith Grove
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Date: October 9, 2011 17:34
Charlie @ 9:45 in the SECOND clip:
Re: Charlie's "mid life" crisis
Posted by:
Sam Spade
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Date: October 9, 2011 18:02
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Edith Grove
Charlie @ 9:45 in the SECOND clip:
Yes, I saw that interview when it was originally broadcast. I'm guessing that was the first time anyone out there knew about Charlie's issues. Considering he went "cold turkey" after suffering a broken ankle there was no drug rehab involved, could be the reason why there was no media coverage since Charlie prefers to remain a "private" individual.
Re: Charlie's "mid life" crisis
Posted by:
Sam Spade
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Date: October 9, 2011 18:06
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windmelody
In 1996 he gave an interview to Rolling Stone magazin to promote "Long ago and far way" in which he talked about his problems.
But that was after to 60 Minutes interview.
Re: Charlie's "mid life" crisis
Posted by:
theimposter
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Date: October 9, 2011 18:37
I remember being very, very surprised when I first heard about it. An alcoholic and heroin addict? Charlie?? And for it to happen so late in life. That said, it says a lot about his remarkable resolve that he was able to stop.
Re: Charlie's "mid life" crisis
Posted by:
Palace Revolution 2000
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Date: October 9, 2011 18:44
I was very surprised too. But I recall that there had been rumors. Because I remember that when I saw the 60 minutes live, and saw Charlie say that, that I was surprised, but thought that it was more like a confirmation.
We had known about him being absent during DW sessions. There was the rumor about broken legs, hostility, and even that he had not played on the album at all.
Wasn't it in Bill German's BB?
I remember that to me 'speed' was more surprising than H.
We had known about him being absent during DW sessions. There was the rumor about broken legs, hostility, and even that he had not played on the album at all.
Wasn't it in Bill German's BB?
I remember that to me 'speed' was more surprising than H.
Re: Charlie's "mid life" crisis
Posted by:
theimposter
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Date: October 9, 2011 19:04
Broken legs, Palace? Never heard that one. I also remember him saying that he became overweight during that period (also hard to imagine).
I definitely think he played on DW. Some of the drumming is unmistakably Charlie, but it wouldn't surprise to find he doesn't play on all of it. Well I guess know that anyway since Ron says he played on a couple of tracks.
I definitely think he played on DW. Some of the drumming is unmistakably Charlie, but it wouldn't surprise to find he doesn't play on all of it. Well I guess know that anyway since Ron says he played on a couple of tracks.
Re: Charlie's "mid life" crisis
Posted by:
Roll73
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Date: October 9, 2011 19:04
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Sam Spade
Quote
windmelody
In 1996 he gave an interview to Rolling Stone magazin to promote "Long ago and far way" in which he talked about his problems.
But that was after to 60 Minutes interview.
Charlie alludes to it but doesn't go into detail (1min 17) in this great interview from the Jonathan Ross show in 1991 when he was promoting the Charlie Parker LP. Think this was his first - maybe only? - solo interview on a live chat show like this. Great live performance from the quintet here too....
Re: Charlie's "mid life" crisis
Posted by:
Sam Spade
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Date: October 9, 2011 19:11
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Roll73
Quote
Sam Spade
Quote
windmelody
In 1996 he gave an interview to Rolling Stone magazin to promote "Long ago and far way" in which he talked about his problems.
But that was after to 60 Minutes interview.
Charlie alludes to it but doesn't go into detail (1min 17) in this great interview from the Jonathan Ross show in 1991 when he was promoting the Charlie Parker LP. Think this was his first - maybe only? - solo interview on a live chat show like this. Great live performance from the quintet here too....
"I'm not as straight as people think"
Never saw that interview, thanks for sharing!
Re: Charlie's "mid life" crisis
Posted by:
melillo
()
Date: October 9, 2011 19:42
when did he beat his addictions early 90s or late 80s?
Re: Charlie's "mid life" crisis
Posted by:
More Hot Rocks
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Date: October 10, 2011 02:58
Look at the cover of Dirty Work. Watts was supposed to be a addict at that time. He wouldn't look at the camera during the shoot rumor has it.
Re: Charlie's "mid life" crisis
Posted by:
gomp
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Date: October 10, 2011 04:51
60 Minutes first time for me - great Ross interview, never saw it before, thanks to the op.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-10-10 05:36 by gomp.
Re: Charlie's "mid life" crisis
Posted by:
sf37
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Date: October 10, 2011 08:28
Kudos to Charlie for facing his problems and overcoming them in such a mature manner. I think I have a greater respect for him than just about any other "rock 'n roll" celebrity I can think of.
Re: Charlie's "mid life" crisis
Posted by:
dcba
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Date: October 10, 2011 15:01
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More Hot Rocks
Look at the cover of Dirty Work. Watts was supposed to be a addict at that time. He wouldn't look at the camera during the shoot rumor has it.
And he looked dirty and unshaved. CW himself revealed that during the DW sessions he fell off his drumstool. Keith picked him up and said "hey that's sth I'm supposed to do!".
So when Mick said a tour to promote DW wasn't possible because "the band was in bad shape" trust him!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-10-10 19:46 by dcba.
Re: Charlie's "mid life" crisis
Posted by:
Sam Spade
()
Date: October 10, 2011 16:18
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dcba
Quote
More Hot Rocks
Look at the cover of Dirty Work. Watts was supposed to be a addict at that time. He wouldn't look at the camera during the shoot rumor has it.
And he looked dirty and unshaved. CW himself revealed that during the DW sessions he fell of his drumstool. Keith picked him upand said "hey that's sth I'm supposed to do!".
So when Mick said a tour to promote DW wasn't possible because "the band was in bad shape" trust him!
Exactly, they were in no shape to go on the road given Charlie's condition. I think Mick and Keith were protecting Charlie during that period.
Re: Charlie's "mid life" crisis
Posted by:
StonesTod
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Date: October 10, 2011 17:04
i heard about it sometime in the mid-70's...i hadn't thought to give po' chawlie a heads-up
Re: Charlie's "mid life" crisis
Posted by:
Bliss
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Date: October 10, 2011 18:06
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StonesTod
i heard about it sometime in the mid-70's...i hadn't thought to give po' chawlie a heads-up
Must have been from a clairvoyant, because apparently it did not occur til the 80s.
Re: Charlie's "mid life" crisis
Posted by:
StonesTod
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Date: October 10, 2011 18:11
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Bliss
Quote
StonesTod
i heard about it sometime in the mid-70's...i hadn't thought to give po' chawlie a heads-up
Must have been from a clairvoyant, because apparently it did not occur til the 80s.
uh...yeah.
Re: Charlie's "mid life" crisis
Posted by:
thehardertheycome
()
Date: October 10, 2011 20:08
Charlie is well, dont you just love the man. The coolest drummer, period. I feel fortunate to have seen him through the years, even got his signature on the street after the boogie 4 stu show, although he was in à hurry. So it doesnt look so good. What do you think?, maybe one can write him and ask for à better one? Do someone know where to send letters to Charlie?
Well, and yes I think he Will Hold it together for two hours.
Well, and yes I think he Will Hold it together for two hours.
Re: Charlie's "mid life" crisis
Posted by:
kait
()
Date: October 10, 2011 21:23
Details:
How did you keep that deterioration from happening in your life? You've been married to the same woman for 45 years, and you've been a model of dignified restraint for decades.
Charlie Watts:
I had a pretty bad midlife crisis I went through. But I have a phobia of needles, so I could not exactly be a junkie. Even now, I am awful if I have to have injections. So I could not sit and do it to myself, like I've seen other people do. I mean, I have taken drugs that were a waste of money, because I didn't do it properly and I wasn't interested, either. But you know, that's growing up, isn't it?
Details:
What brought about your midlife crisis?
Charlie Watts:
I don't know. Who knows—I think that's why they call it that, don't they? I suddenly went—I had a panic that I was missing everything, which was unlike me. And the more unlike me I got, the more unlike me I got, if you follow what I mean. And drugs can do that very quickly to you. Drinking can. And when you do both, particularly drugs, you become somebody else. Ask any husband or wife of a drug addict. If you're a dabbler, like I was, you become another person very quickly.
Details:
What brought the crisis to a close?
Charlie Watts:
I was booked to appear at Ronnie Scott's and I broke my ankle drunk and I just said, "That's it." I stopped everything—drinking, smoking, everything.
read the whole interview (march 2010): [www.details.com]
How did you keep that deterioration from happening in your life? You've been married to the same woman for 45 years, and you've been a model of dignified restraint for decades.
Charlie Watts:
I had a pretty bad midlife crisis I went through. But I have a phobia of needles, so I could not exactly be a junkie. Even now, I am awful if I have to have injections. So I could not sit and do it to myself, like I've seen other people do. I mean, I have taken drugs that were a waste of money, because I didn't do it properly and I wasn't interested, either. But you know, that's growing up, isn't it?
Details:
What brought about your midlife crisis?
Charlie Watts:
I don't know. Who knows—I think that's why they call it that, don't they? I suddenly went—I had a panic that I was missing everything, which was unlike me. And the more unlike me I got, the more unlike me I got, if you follow what I mean. And drugs can do that very quickly to you. Drinking can. And when you do both, particularly drugs, you become somebody else. Ask any husband or wife of a drug addict. If you're a dabbler, like I was, you become another person very quickly.
Details:
What brought the crisis to a close?
Charlie Watts:
I was booked to appear at Ronnie Scott's and I broke my ankle drunk and I just said, "That's it." I stopped everything—drinking, smoking, everything.
read the whole interview (march 2010): [www.details.com]
Re: Charlie's "mid life" crisis
Posted by:
kait
()
Date: October 10, 2011 21:31
from www.timeisonourside.com
(My drug and alcohol problems were) my way of dealing with (family problems)... Looking back on it, I think it was a mid-life crisis. All I know is that I became totally another person around 1983 and came out of it about 1986. I nearly lost my wife and everything over my behaviour. I was not particularly fun to live with. I would have died... I just stopped everything. I barely ate for 2 months, because I'd started to get fat from the drinking.
- Charlie Watts, 2000
(My drug and alcohol problems were) my way of dealing with (family problems)... Looking back on it, I think it was a mid-life crisis. All I know is that I became totally another person around 1983 and came out of it about 1986. I nearly lost my wife and everything over my behaviour. I was not particularly fun to live with. I would have died... I just stopped everything. I barely ate for 2 months, because I'd started to get fat from the drinking.
- Charlie Watts, 2000
Re: Charlie's "mid life" crisis
Posted by:
Title5Take1
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Date: October 10, 2011 22:18
It came out after he'd cleaned up. The earliest "reference" to it I've seen is Mick in an old MUSICIAN MAGAZINE saying Keith's anger at Mick not wanting to tour behind Dirty Work was absurd because, "Health was diabolical. Some members couldn't cross the Champs-Élysées much less go on tour."
P.S. The broken leg referenced above refers to when Charlie was drunk and fell in his wine cellar and broke his leg. He had a gig at Ronnie Scott's (London jazz club) that he had to cancel because he couldn't hit the bass drum with a broken leg. Because of that he decided to get sober. (Charlie also slipped on a newly polished floor in his home and broke his elbow, but apparently he was sober when that happened.)
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-10-10 22:25 by Title5Take1.
P.S. The broken leg referenced above refers to when Charlie was drunk and fell in his wine cellar and broke his leg. He had a gig at Ronnie Scott's (London jazz club) that he had to cancel because he couldn't hit the bass drum with a broken leg. Because of that he decided to get sober. (Charlie also slipped on a newly polished floor in his home and broke his elbow, but apparently he was sober when that happened.)
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-10-10 22:25 by Title5Take1.
Re: Charlie's "mid life" crisis
Posted by:
lem motlow
()
Date: October 10, 2011 22:50
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Title5Take1
It came out after he'd cleaned up. The earliest "reference" to it I've seen is Mick in an old MUSICIAN MAGAZINE saying Keith's anger at Mick not wanting to tour behind Dirty Work was absurd because, "Health was diabolical. Some members couldn't cross the Champs-Élysées much less go on tour."
EXACTLY-but somehow through his constant carrying on in the media keith convinced everyone the problem was that mick wanted a solo career and was leaving the band.
not only was charlie completely out of it but ronnie had become a crackhead,freebasing his life away and keith had become a roaring alcoholic,apparently trying to fill the void left from the heroin.
the band couldnt function on any level,it was time to take a break.
i'll give keith credit,he put on one hell of a marketing campaign for himself.to this day many fans believe he never wanted to play solo,he just did it because mick did and that he was heart and soul all about the stones.
awhile back someone posted an audio clip from 1971 of richards saying-"yeah,we'll all do solo albums eventually.i've got about 200 songs that wouldnt work with the stones"
Re: Charlie's "mid life" crisis
Posted by:
ryanpow
()
Date: October 11, 2011 02:46
I think I remember hearing first reading this in everyone's favorite book, Old Gods Almost Dead.
Re: Charlie's "mid life" crisis
Posted by:
melillo
()
Date: October 11, 2011 03:59
he was still addicted in 86 check out the grammys for proof
Re: Charlie's "mid life" crisis
Posted by:
Title5Take1
()
Date: October 11, 2011 08:39
One quirky thing in ACCORDING TO THE ROLLING STONES regarding the sizable jazz band Charlie took touring through different countries, is Charlie said if it weren't for the drugs he was on at the time he wouldn't have had the courage to call all those musicians up. Shy Charlie, I guess.
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