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Re: OT ~ NFL begins tonight
Date: March 22, 2012 15:59

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keefriffhard4life
espn says saints superbowl victory forevr tainted:
[espn.go.com]

It's Disney. Nobody should take ESPN seriously.

Re: OT ~ NFL begins tonight
Date: March 22, 2012 16:07

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keefriffhard4life
what i can give you is several links to forums where people agree with me its cheating. public opinion is it was wrong and its a form of cheating


edit: also i like your argument. its only cheating if you win every game. wtf does that mean??

Cheating implies getting around normal ways to win. I bet the links you would provide all feature old people and have nothing to do with anything. You and people who agree with you are simply confused. Cheating is what the NY Jets and NE Patriots did. Unfair tactics. Violence IS part of the game. You refuse to accept that it's not cheating. The money is a moot point. They went after whoever to win. Period. Defensive players going after whoever. Huh.

Maybe you want the NFL to be like Disney and play flag football. Then you can have as many flag-grabbing highlights that you can watch repteadely on ESPN.

Re: OT ~ NFL begins tonight
Posted by: Max'sKansasCity ()
Date: March 22, 2012 16:29

The money is a moot point.

Huh? they tossed the head coach of The Saints for a year, they tossed the defensive coach forever and they took away 2 drafts picks. It seems the bounty money is the main point. [espn.go.com]


In my opinion there is no room in the NFL game to pay players extra money to injure other players. As I said when I first read/posted about his, if people and players want the rules to allows paying bounties to injure others then the NFL will not have a game within 3-4 years because there will be no players left. Can you imagine the carnage?

Re: OT ~ NFL begins tonight
Date: March 22, 2012 16:33

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Max'sKansasCity
The money is a moot point.

Huh? they tossed the head coach of The Saints for a year, they tossed the defensive coach forever and they took away 2 drafts picks. It seems the bounty money is the main point. [espn.go.com]


In my opinion there is no room in the NFL game to pay players extra money to injure other players. As I said when I first read/posted about his, if people and players want the rules to allows paying bounties to injure others then the NFL will not have a game within 3-4 years because there will be no players left. Can you imagine the carnage?

The so called bounty money is what I was talking about. Seriously, how could any player think that is worth pursuing when the fines are equivalent to the average US citizen buying an expensive automobile? They're not that rich, the players.

Coach Payton is essentially being fined $8 million for this. Goodell is a jerk. Bellachuck got one game for cheating. That idiot NY Giant got one year for killing someone... this makes zero sense.

Re: OT ~ NFL begins tonight
Posted by: Max'sKansasCity ()
Date: March 22, 2012 16:49

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WeLoveToPlayTheBlues
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Max'sKansasCity
The money is a moot point.

Huh? they tossed the head coach of The Saints for a year, they tossed the defensive coach forever and they took away 2 drafts picks. It seems the bounty money is the main point. [espn.go.com]


In my opinion there is no room in the NFL game to pay players extra money to injure other players. As I said when I first read/posted about his, if people and players want the rules to allows paying bounties to injure others then the NFL will not have a game within 3-4 years because there will be no players left. Can you imagine the carnage?

The so called bounty money is what I was talking about. Seriously, how could any player think that is worth pursuing when the fines are equivalent to the average US citizen buying an expensive automobile? They're not that rich, the players.

Coach Payton is essentially being fined $8 million for this. Goodell is a jerk. Bellachuck got one game for cheating. That idiot NY Giant got one year for killing someone... this makes zero sense.

It is no longer "so called" bounty money, they proofed it, and found them guilty.

Not sure what you mean by the size of the fines. The 8 million Dollars is huge and the loss of a head coach could be fatal(for a while).... The cost of 2 draft picks taken away?... how do we put a value on that? The team being fined $500,000, that is a drop in the bucket... and I am not sure what fines will be put on individual players who took money, I think I read they are still looking.... but imuho I think they should sit for an entire year too... with the main objective being... send the message.... DO NOT TAKE BOUNTY MONEY to hurt players.

As far as Stallworth DUI killing that person and not being banned forever, that is just sad commentary on the 1%ers being able to buy their way out of manslaughter. If a normal person had DUI killed like that, they would still be in jail. period. For all the fkg BS ads and hullaballoo about dont drink and drive blah blah... I guess it only applies to poor schmucks.... just sad sad sad commentary on how things really are.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-03-22 17:12 by Max'sKansasCity.

Re: OT ~ NFL begins tonight
Date: March 22, 2012 17:23

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Max'sKansasCity
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WeLoveToPlayTheBlues
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Max'sKansasCity
The money is a moot point.

Huh? they tossed the head coach of The Saints for a year, they tossed the defensive coach forever and they took away 2 drafts picks. It seems the bounty money is the main point. [espn.go.com]


In my opinion there is no room in the NFL game to pay players extra money to injure other players. As I said when I first read/posted about his, if people and players want the rules to allows paying bounties to injure others then the NFL will not have a game within 3-4 years because there will be no players left. Can you imagine the carnage?

The so called bounty money is what I was talking about. Seriously, how could any player think that is worth pursuing when the fines are equivalent to the average US citizen buying an expensive automobile? They're not that rich, the players.

Coach Payton is essentially being fined $8 million for this. Goodell is a jerk. Bellachuck got one game for cheating. That idiot NY Giant got one year for killing someone... this makes zero sense.

It is no longer "so called" bounty money, they proofed it, and found them guilty.

Not sure what you mean by the size of the fines. The 8 million Dollars is huge and the loss of a head coach could be fatal(for a while).... The cost of 2 draft picks taken away?... how do we put a value on that? The team being fined $500,000, that is a drop a drop in the bucket... and I am not sure what fines will be put on individual players who took money, I think I read they are still looking.... but imuho I think they should sit for an entire year too... with the main objective being send the message DONT TAKE BOUNTY MONEY to hurt players.

As far as Stallworth DUI killing that person and not being banned forever, that is just sad commentary on the 1%ers being able to buy their way out of manslaughter. If a normal person had DUI killed like that, they would still be in jail. period. For all the fkg BS ads and hullaballoo about dont drink and drive blah blah... I guess it only applies to poor schmucks.... just sad sad sad commentary on how things really are.

Read it again: The so called bounty money is what I was talking about. Seriously, how could any player think that is worth pursuing when the fines are equivalent to the average US citizen buying an expensive automobile? They're not that rich, the players.

The size of those fines they got in thousands of dollars on the hits they made.

They PROVED it. With 18,000 pages of...what? Williams screwed the team over by writing things down. He turned the Saints into a casino.

I don't think the draft picks are a big deal. That's next to nothing. The $500,000 fine is insulting actually. That's it? You ban the coach of a entire year and only fine the team $500,000????

Goodell says he has "proof" that Vilma said about the ten grand for Favre. Vilma has been on record saying he never said that. Goodell is going to deal with the 22 to 27 players, whatever that means, next. There is definitely some fiction involved. The NFL has never exactly been "aware" of what it sees. They choose to ignore obvious things and expound upon other things that are mole hills at best.

Of course, zero attention to all the other teams will happen, yet alone the past. Goodell won't admit to that. The Saints got caught and no one else. I'm glad Williams is out. The Saints issued a well written statement. This will be a very interesting season, most likely with Spagnuolo as the head coach.

Re: OT ~ NFL begins tonight
Posted by: Max'sKansasCity ()
Date: March 22, 2012 17:44

Ok I see what you meant, the regular season fines for harsh hits.



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WeLoveToPlayTheBlues
They PROVED it. With 18,000 pages of...what? Williams screwed the team over by writing things down. He turned the Saints into a casino.
yeah....
One might have thought people would have learned with the Nixon tapes it is just a bad idea, if you are going to be bad, to record anything about you being bad.


For the record... I lost a lot of respect for the NFL fining/chastising anybody the day they destroyed the tapes/evidence in the Patriots cheating case.

Re: OT ~ NFL begins tonight
Posted by: Natlanta ()
Date: March 22, 2012 17:56

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keefriffhard4life
espn says saints superbowl victory forevr tainted:
[espn.go.com]

thus the name - Taints.

Re: OT ~ NFL begins tonight
Date: March 22, 2012 18:38

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Natlanta
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keefriffhard4life
espn says saints superbowl victory forevr tainted:
[espn.go.com]

thus the name - Taints.

Clever.

Re: OT ~ NFL begins tonight
Date: March 22, 2012 18:43

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Max'sKansasCity
Ok I see what you meant, the regular season fines for harsh hits.



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WeLoveToPlayTheBlues
They PROVED it. With 18,000 pages of...what? Williams screwed the team over by writing things down. He turned the Saints into a casino.
yeah....
One might have thought people would have learned with the Nixon tapes it is just a bad idea, if you are going to be bad, to record anything about you being bad.


For the record... I lost a lot of respect for the NFL fining/chastising anybody the day they destroyed the tapes/evidence in the Patriots cheating case.

Gregg Williams keeping a list. Genius. That's just great. The way it sounds so far is the Loomis and Payton possibly didn't believe it was going on. That's what it seems like anyway. Hence the lack of action. The Patriots thing though... they made that go away real fast huh.

Re: OT ~ NFL begins tonight
Posted by: Max'sKansasCity ()
Date: March 22, 2012 20:23

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WeLoveToPlayTheBlues
Gregg Williams keeping a list. Genius. That's just great. The way it sounds so far is the Loomis and Payton possibly didn't believe it was going on. That's what it seems like anyway. Hence the lack of action. The Patriots thing though... they made that go away real fast huh.

Head Coach "possibly didn't believe it was going on"...
we have heard this somewhere before.... it is going to be interesting to see how the athletic world turns after all the athletic department hand slapping that has been going on.... far and wide.

Re: OT ~ NFL begins tonight
Posted by: Edith Grove ()
Date: March 22, 2012 20:46

Let's not forget the fans are losing in this penalty scheme, as well.
Goodell, or whatever the @#$%& his name is, waited until after the season-ticket deadline to announce these crippling penalties.

This Goodell @#$%& should be running for public office with a mindset like that.





Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-03-22 20:46 by Edith Grove.

Re: OT ~ NFL begins tonight
Posted by: Natlanta ()
Date: March 22, 2012 21:04

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WeLoveToPlayTheBlues
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Natlanta
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keefriffhard4life
espn says saints superbowl victory forevr tainted:
[espn.go.com]

thus the name - Taints.

Clever.

yeah at first i thought it was too obvious, then i noticed the double entendre.

Re: OT ~ NFL begins tonight
Posted by: stonescrow ()
Date: March 22, 2012 21:22

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Natlanta
Quote
keefriffhard4life
espn says saints superbowl victory forevr tainted:
[espn.go.com]

thus the name - Taints.

They should be stripped of their Super Bowl title!

Re: OT ~ NFL begins tonight
Posted by: gimmelittledrink ()
Date: March 22, 2012 21:27

What the Patriots did was much worse than this silly Bounty thing. There's only one reason for the severity of the sanctions against the Saints -- the NFL is prepping for the huge class action suit for all those concussions and brain damaged players. It's amazing how concerned they suddenly are about player safety.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-03-22 21:29 by gimmelittledrink.

Re: OT ~ NFL begins tonight
Posted by: Max'sKansasCity ()
Date: March 22, 2012 23:13

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stonescrow
They should be stripped of their Super Bowl title!
No, they shouldnt.

Re: OT ~ NFL begins tonight
Posted by: sweetcharmedlife ()
Date: March 22, 2012 23:20

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Edith Grove
Let's not forget the fans are losing in this penalty scheme, as well.
Goodell, or whatever the @#$%& his name is, waited until after the season-ticket deadline to announce these crippling penalties.

This Goodell @#$%& should be running for public office with a mindset like that.
Blame it on Jeremy Shockey.He's the rat bastard who snitched.eye popping smiley

"Is that you"

Re: OT ~ NFL begins tonight
Posted by: Chris Fountain ()
Date: March 22, 2012 23:29

This is a great miscarriage of justice to the Saints and to the game itself. It doesn't pale to the lack of justice dealt to Trayvon Martin who was simply murdered for no reason at all. Still pisses me off!

Re: OT ~ NFL begins tonight
Posted by: sweetcharmedlife ()
Date: March 23, 2012 00:07

Bottom line. Trying to intentionally hurt someone to the point they are knocked out of the game.Is not only unsportsmanlike.But incredibly stupid. These guys are already making millions of dollars. A couple thousand more will motivate them? What if it was them who got knocked out.Had their careers cut short.Risked permanent injury? Plus, they were warned multiple times to knock it off.Then lied when asked about it. Not to mention the fact the Saints still had a shitty defense anyway. Here's a crazy thought. You go out there and play the game the way it's supposed to be played. With some class and dignity and respect for your fellow player. Saints deserve everything they got and more.

Re: OT ~ NFL begins tonight
Posted by: Max'sKansasCity ()
Date: March 23, 2012 00:27

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sweetcharmedlife
Bottom line. Trying to intentionally hurt someone to the point they are knocked out of the game.Is not only unsportsmanlike.But incredibly stupid. These guys are already making millions of dollars. A couple thousand more will motivate them? What if it was them who got knocked out.Had their careers cut short.Risked permanent injury? Plus, they were warned multiple times to knock it off.Then lied when asked about it. Not to mention the fact the Saints still had a shitty defense anyway. Here's a crazy thought. You go out there and play the game the way it's supposed to be played. With some class and dignity and respect for your fellow player. Saints deserve everything they got and more.
I agree with SCL on this.

Re: OT ~ NFL begins tonight
Date: March 23, 2012 01:45

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stonescrow
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Natlanta
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keefriffhard4life
espn says saints superbowl victory forevr tainted:
[espn.go.com]

thus the name - Taints.

They should be stripped of their Super Bowl title!

No.

Re: OT ~ NFL begins tonight
Date: March 23, 2012 01:46

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sweetcharmedlife
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Edith Grove
Let's not forget the fans are losing in this penalty scheme, as well.
Goodell, or whatever the @#$%& his name is, waited until after the season-ticket deadline to announce these crippling penalties.

This Goodell @#$%& should be running for public office with a mindset like that.
Blame it on Jeremy Shockey.He's the rat bastard who snitched.eye popping smiley

Uh huh. And the Sharks are gonna make the playoffs.

Re: OT ~ NFL begins tonight
Date: March 23, 2012 01:48

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sweetcharmedlife
Bottom line. Trying to intentionally hurt someone to the point they are knocked out of the game.Is not only unsportsmanlike.But incredibly stupid. These guys are already making millions of dollars. A couple thousand more will motivate them? What if it was them who got knocked out.Had their careers cut short.Risked permanent injury? Plus, they were warned multiple times to knock it off.Then lied when asked about it. Not to mention the fact the Saints still had a shitty defense anyway. Here's a crazy thought. You go out there and play the game the way it's supposed to be played. With some class and dignity and respect for your fellow player. Saints deserve everything they got and more.

Yep. Especially the part in bold. What boggles my mind is it certainly didn't help in winning anything. Nor intimidating anyone. The 49ers are a good example.

Re: OT ~ NFL begins tonight
Date: March 23, 2012 01:56

Huh. Who'd of thunk.

Green Bay Packers players no longer can offer teammates financial incentives for their on-field performance, but the NFL will not punish them for violating the league's "bounty rule."

[www.usatoday.com]

Re: OT ~ NFL begins tonight
Posted by: Edith Grove ()
Date: March 23, 2012 01:59

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WeLoveToPlayTheBlues
Huh. Who'd of thunk.

Green Bay Packers players no longer can offer teammates financial incentives for their on-field performance, but the NFL will not punish them for violating the league's "bounty rule."

[www.usatoday.com]

Wonderful.

Ever get the feeling that the league doesn't want to let a host team win the Superbowl ?


Re: OT ~ NFL begins tonight
Date: March 23, 2012 02:02

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Edith Grove
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WeLoveToPlayTheBlues
Huh. Who'd of thunk.

Green Bay Packers players no longer can offer teammates financial incentives for their on-field performance, but the NFL will not punish them for violating the league's "bounty rule."

[www.usatoday.com]

Wonderful.

Ever get the feeling that the league doesn't want to let a host team win the Superbowl ?

Yeah you right I do.

Re: OT ~ NFL begins tonight
Date: March 23, 2012 02:24

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WeLoveToPlayTheBlues
Huh. Who'd of thunk.

Green Bay Packers players no longer can offer teammates financial incentives for their on-field performance, but the NFL will not punish them for violating the league's "bounty rule."

[www.usatoday.com]

where did it say they got paid to hurt someone?

Re: OT ~ NFL begins tonight
Posted by: stupidguy2 ()
Date: March 23, 2012 04:45

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gimmelittledrink
What the Patriots did was much worse than this silly Bounty thing.

Seriously? Intentionally injuring a play for extra cash. That's not only bad sportsmanship, but borderline mafia-esque.

Re: OT ~ NFL begins tonight
Date: March 23, 2012 06:00

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keefriffhard4life
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WeLoveToPlayTheBlues
Huh. Who'd of thunk.

Green Bay Packers players no longer can offer teammates financial incentives for their on-field performance, but the NFL will not punish them for violating the league's "bounty rule."

[www.usatoday.com]

where did it say they got paid to hurt someone?

According to you it's cheating regardless so don't worry about it.

Re: OT ~ NFL begins tonight
Posted by: gimmelittledrink ()
Date: March 23, 2012 15:01

The Patriots were caught cheating red-handed. What they did - and they did it over a long period of time - was much worse than bountygate. Guess what? NFL players have been trying to knock each other out for years. That's why they hit each other so hard. And the NFL encouraged and rewarded it.

Spygate was a much bigger deal because it involved outright cheating in order to win games. Note that the Patriots haven't won the SB since they were caught. And there were no suspensions for Spygate.

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