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Interesting thing on these new releases is they are not remasters but flat transfers from original tapes. I guess no one had heard these albums this way before.
I only wish I understood what that meant. Are they tapes they used for the LPs originally? The original mix? Isn't that what they used for the original CBS CDs that sucked so badly? Seriously, I don't understand what flat transfers mean.
That's what I read on stevehoffman forum. If I understood it well it means they were not equalized for the SACD. what you hear on the SACD is what can be heard in the studio. So it's different from the original LPs.
You mean on RS.COM to be sure to be at the SOURCE
"we know it's a bit late but we hope you don't mind if we stay"
Thanks for providing a better explanation than mine!
November-Live in Texas
December-Some Girls DX
January-Some Girls SACD
I wonder how much I've spent for Some Girls so far.
But if this makes a better album why did we invent and use all these things at all . . ?!
YES!
I am now listening Debussy: La mer (Valery Gergiev, London Symphony Orchestra) on SACD.
It was recorded live in 2010.
The sound is great.
whitem8,
Do SACDs sound better than a regular CD on a regular CD player? And are these stones releases playable on a regular CD player?
All of 2002 ABKCO SACDs are Hybrid Disc. You can play them on a regular CD player.
I don't see any distinctive difference between SACD layer and regular CD layer because gone are the days when the originals were recorded.
However, they are latively better than regular CDs.
You can't play 2010-2011 ABKCO SACD and 2011-2012 UMG SACD on a regular player because they have single layer only.
What does it look like for the future of these CDs? Will it be like Beta and they will stop making the players?
Lately in Japan, audio makers don't release new CD players.
They are gradually switching over to Network Players.
CD players including SACD players may follow the same fate as Beta.
I am still using lovely SONY Beta deck, though.
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Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
Come On
()
Date: September 13, 2011 08:24
I'll stuck to my LPs...CDs sounds like a fart in the wind...
2 1 2 0
2 1 2 0
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
FreeBird
()
Date: September 13, 2011 15:13
December!Quote
caesar
I would buy "Still Life" and "Exile On Main Street" at once on SACD. Waiting...
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
midnrambler
()
Date: September 13, 2011 17:51
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Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2011-09-22 15:50 by midnrambler.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2011-09-22 15:50 by midnrambler.
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
midnrambler
()
Date: October 22, 2011 23:55
Which ones will be next? And when? December?
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
FreeBird
()
Date: October 23, 2011 00:22
November: Black and Blue
December: Still Life & Exile
December: Still Life & Exile
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
24FPS
()
Date: October 23, 2011 04:25
Jeez. We've heard these things in so many different remasters and re-remasters. Still, I'd love to hear Exile in SACD.
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
kowalski
()
Date: October 23, 2011 08:55
Quote
24FPS
We've heard these things in so many different remasters and re-remasters.
Interesting thing on these new releases is they are not remasters but flat transfers from original tapes. I guess no one had heard these albums this way before.
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
24FPS
()
Date: October 23, 2011 09:12
Quote
kowalskiQuote
24FPS
We've heard these things in so many different remasters and re-remasters.
Interesting thing on these new releases is they are not remasters but flat transfers from original tapes. I guess no one had heard these albums this way before.
I only wish I understood what that meant. Are they tapes they used for the LPs originally? The original mix? Isn't that what they used for the original CBS CDs that sucked so badly? Seriously, I don't understand what flat transfers mean.
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
kowalski
()
Date: October 23, 2011 15:43
Quote
24FPSQuote
kowalskiQuote
24FPS
We've heard these things in so many different remasters and re-remasters.
Interesting thing on these new releases is they are not remasters but flat transfers from original tapes. I guess no one had heard these albums this way before.
I only wish I understood what that meant. Are they tapes they used for the LPs originally? The original mix? Isn't that what they used for the original CBS CDs that sucked so badly? Seriously, I don't understand what flat transfers mean.
That's what I read on stevehoffman forum. If I understood it well it means they were not equalized for the SACD. what you hear on the SACD is what can be heard in the studio. So it's different from the original LPs.
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
GetYerAngie
()
Date: October 23, 2011 16:12
I think the Goats head soup-sacd is very, very good. Much preferable to the 2009-remaster. And fortunately the japanese haven't chosen the censored Star star...
The sound is very good. Best cd-edition I have heard.
The sound is very good. Best cd-edition I have heard.
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
toomuchforme
()
Date: October 23, 2011 17:28
Quote
kowalskiQuote
Winning Ugly VXII
If it's any improvement versus the standard 2009 versions,as it should be,I welcome the releases.
There is improvement. No brickwalled sound, flat transfer from original masters, dsd transfer and SACD quality. Hopefully they will soon be released in high definition quality on HDtracks like the 60's catalog...
You mean on RS.COM to be sure to be at the SOURCE
"we know it's a bit late but we hope you don't mind if we stay"
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
FreeBird
()
Date: October 23, 2011 18:23
Yes.Quote
24FPS
Are they tapes they used for the LPs originally?
Yes.Quote
24FPS
The original mix?
Possibly.Quote
24FPS
Isn't that what they used for the original CBS CDs that sucked so badly?
A flat transfer is just jargon for "play back the tape and record it without doing anything else", i.e. no EQ, no compression or limiting, no noise reduction, nothing.Quote
24FPS
Seriously, I don't understand what flat transfers mean.
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
kowalski
()
Date: October 23, 2011 20:16
Quote
FreeBirdA flat transfer is just jargon for "play back the tape and record it without doing anything else", i.e. no EQ, no compression or limiting, no noise reduction, nothing.Quote
24FPS
Seriously, I don't understand what flat transfers mean.
Thanks for providing a better explanation than mine!
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
Toru A
()
Date: November 16, 2011 09:34
Some Girls SACD
Undrcover SACD
on January 25,2012.
Undrcover SACD
on January 25,2012.
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
kowalski
()
Date: November 16, 2011 12:55
Why the sad face for Some Girls?
Undercover on SACD should be great.
Undercover on SACD should be great.
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
Toru A
()
Date: November 16, 2011 13:09
Quote
kowalski
Why the sad face for Some Girls?
Undercover on SACD should be great.
November-Live in Texas
December-Some Girls DX
January-Some Girls SACD
I wonder how much I've spent for Some Girls so far.
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
FreeBird
()
Date: November 16, 2011 14:10
Will this be the last batch? All of their albums from 1964-1986 will have been released on SACD by then. Will they stop after that, do just the ones that were analog recordings, or do them all? Time will tell...
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
kowalski
()
Date: November 16, 2011 17:42
If only the could release all these albums on HDTracks like they did for the 60's catalog...
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
FreeBird
()
Date: November 16, 2011 23:44
I think the chances of that happening are looking pretty good now that they have DSD masters that can (more or less) easily be converted to PCM whenever they want to. Of course, the real SACDs will always be better, but the difference might be too small to notice.
Anything that's unavailable on SACD won't be available on HDTracks either.
Anything that's unavailable on SACD won't be available on HDTracks either.
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
CousinC
()
Date: November 17, 2011 01:19
Quote
FreeBirdYes.Quote
24FPS
Are they tapes they used for the LPs originally?Yes.Quote
24FPS
The original mix?Possibly.Quote
24FPS
Isn't that what they used for the original CBS CDs that sucked so badly?A flat transfer is just jargon for "play back the tape and record it without doing anything else", i.e. no EQ, no compression or limiting, no noise reduction, nothing.Quote
24FPS
Seriously, I don't understand what flat transfers mean.
But if this makes a better album why did we invent and use all these things at all . . ?!
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
stupidguy2
()
Date: November 17, 2011 01:23
Quote
phd
Indian Girl forever...Thanks.
YES!
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
FreeBird
()
Date: November 17, 2011 02:36
A flat transfer isn't necessarily better. It's just that mastering engineers have been messing with the sound so much lately, that a sort of anti-movement has risen. Flat transfers may not be perfect, but it's certainly better than tons of compression plus unnatural EQ plus noise reduction.Quote
CousinC
But if this makes a better album why did we invent and use all these things at all . . ?!
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
midnrambler
()
Date: January 28, 2012 15:03
Now with the release of Some Girls & Undercover we have all SACDs from Sticky Fingers to Dirty Work. Is that all or will there be more, I mean the newer releases from the 1990s & 2000s?
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
kowalski
()
Date: January 28, 2012 15:29
Releases from 1989 were recorded digital. Is it worth it to have them on SACD ?
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
Toru A
()
Date: January 28, 2012 15:30
I was a bit disappointed for Undercover.
It's kind of boring.
The only exception is Wanna Hold You.
Keith's iridescent vocals on multitracks are really fantastic.
It's kind of boring.
The only exception is Wanna Hold You.
Keith's iridescent vocals on multitracks are really fantastic.
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
Toru A
()
Date: January 28, 2012 15:37
Quote
kowalski
Releases from 1989 were recorded digital. Is it worth it to have them on SACD ?
I am now listening Debussy: La mer (Valery Gergiev, London Symphony Orchestra) on SACD.
It was recorded live in 2010.
The sound is great.
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
windmelody
()
Date: January 28, 2012 15:46
A great recording Toru!
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
Toru A
()
Date: February 4, 2012 06:31
OT:
the 40th Anniversary of Roxy Music - Complete Studio Recordings 1972-1982
Also included in the box set will be 4DVD's containing high resolution audio of each studio album.
(2012 Flat Transfers from original analogue master tapes - 96/24 LPCM Stereo)
the 40th Anniversary of Roxy Music - Complete Studio Recordings 1972-1982
Also included in the box set will be 4DVD's containing high resolution audio of each studio album.
(2012 Flat Transfers from original analogue master tapes - 96/24 LPCM Stereo)
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
whitem8
()
Date: February 4, 2012 09:47
Excuse the beginner's question. Do SACDs sound better than a regular CD on a regular CD player? And are these stones releases playable on a regular CD player? What does it look like for the future of these CDs? Will it be like Beta and they will stop making the players? Thanks so much!
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
Toru A
()
Date: February 4, 2012 10:41
Quote
whitem8
Excuse the beginner's question. Do SACDs sound better than a regular CD on a regular CD player? And are these stones releases playable on a regular CD player? What does it look like for the future of these CDs? Will it be like Beta and they will stop making the players? Thanks so much!
whitem8,
Do SACDs sound better than a regular CD on a regular CD player? And are these stones releases playable on a regular CD player?
All of 2002 ABKCO SACDs are Hybrid Disc. You can play them on a regular CD player.
I don't see any distinctive difference between SACD layer and regular CD layer because gone are the days when the originals were recorded.
However, they are latively better than regular CDs.
You can't play 2010-2011 ABKCO SACD and 2011-2012 UMG SACD on a regular player because they have single layer only.
What does it look like for the future of these CDs? Will it be like Beta and they will stop making the players?
Lately in Japan, audio makers don't release new CD players.
They are gradually switching over to Network Players.
CD players including SACD players may follow the same fate as Beta.
I am still using lovely SONY Beta deck, though.
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