Thanks Teddy.

It would be fitting if the Stones did finish releasing albums with A Bigger Bang. It makes sense, if it is the case, that that would be their last original studio album. Any new recordings as far as UMe is concerned contractually are possibly only the overdubs to old recordings via Exile Rarities and now Some Girls Rarities or whatever they're going to be called - if even that happens. That's just a guess - I really don't know - but based on the language of what their contract seems to be that makes sense.

So yeah, if it's vault material, great! Even if it's been tarted up a bit, at least we get to finally hear it in a way much better than those horrendous bootlegs!

If they still can record good new songs, allright. If not, I prefer 1 000 000 times a Plundered My Soul, than a SOL or even Rough Justice or ONNYA.(Not to mention Neo-con or worse numbers from ABB )



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-04-24 01:57 by Richards1978.

Quote
Gazza

Quote
sweetcharmedlife
Doesn't sound like him and Mick are going to be working together anytime soon.

He could be demoing songs for the next Stones album for all we know.

After all, he doesnt have his own basement studio anymore.

Yes, this makes the most sense to me also. At some point they have to get down to business. We are now only about eight months to 2012. Getting goosebumps just thinking about it!

Don't think he'd be "writing and recording with Steve Jordan" if it was for the next Stones album.

Quote
Rocky Dijon
Don't think he'd be "writing and recording with Steve Jordan" if it was for the next Stones album.

A smokescreen?

Quote
Rocky Dijon
Don't think he'd be "writing and recording with Steve Jordan" if it was for the next Stones album.

I think so too. On the other hand to record a solo album right now - it's 100% end to any further Stones activity. So you're right when you say that this is probably shooting for the Depp's movie

Quote
proudmary

Quote
Rocky Dijon
Don't think he'd be "writing and recording with Steve Jordan" if it was for the next Stones album.

I think so too. On the other hand to record a solo album right now - it's 100% end to any further Stones activity.

in that case i guess i'm rooting for that solo album thing

It's all just guesswork like Jagger and Stewart's project. The facts are sketchy at best until something concrete is announced.

There have been people on IORR and elsewhere that claim Keith stockpiles an enormous number of tracks. Perhaps his creativity has never waned at all, the trouble is without a result to show for it we're left with what appears to be Jagger overcompensating on the last Stones album and even the EXILE project could be seen as a way of working around Keith's lack of input.

It's hard to know what the truth is when the only solo studio work he's turned out since 1992 have been a Hank Williams cover and a Muddy Waters cover.

....considering Keith has confirmed that he often gives Jagger ideas/snippets that eventually turn into songs its not difficult to assume he has a lot of incomplete ideas....the trouble is Jagger's overproduction tendencies recently complicated by his penchant for dumbed down lyrics and an enuncition that is sometimes irritating....Streets of Love..Following the River....You Got Me Rockin'

A new Stones cd of new material could be all recorded for all we know. We all
know Mick is tight lipped about that.

Actually, no. Mick has never been tight-lipped about the Stones recording a new album. I can't think of that ever having been the case. The most we've had from Mick in the last couple years is telling Larry King that the Stones would tour again and that it would probably be sooner rather than later. Otherwise, he's kept quiet but that's hardly any reason to believe a new album is done. The closest we have are remarks made by Ronnie and Don Was that they have a new album's worth of unfinished material from 2002 that could be finished relatively quickly if they tried. There hasn't been anything to indicate they've cut an album. Songwriting is a different matter entirely. Mick does appear to regularly write songs and has always had Charlie (and in the past, Ronnie) come round and help with demos, but that's a long way away from having a new album in the can.

Could be that both Mick & Keith are dubbing Some Girls outtakes for the special edition.

It could be, but then Steve Jordan wouldn't be writing and producing with Keith.

I think they don't want to continue together, they are old and world tour is a big challenge but too hard for them now. We can understand that but they are not able to announce this decision. Not a probleme of bollocks but I know it's not easy to do!

It is fascinating to read all the interpretations by us fans, who have so little to write
about at the moment that the smallest piece of information is being treated as if it is a
revelation of some sort straight out of heaven.

To add my two cents: My blood would start running at the moment they are together in any
studio. All of them. The best albums were the result of the band working on the basic
ideas together, inspiring each other and making things work. Someone posted about the
way the 3 last albums were done. I don't know what he/she wanted to say with that, but
weren't they produced very differently? I know not everybody is a fan of Voodoo Lounge,
but listening to the many outtakes of that album, I have the feeling this was the last time
they actually worked as a band in the studio. They need to jam around a theme and
the combined input of all members should be heard in the results.

Quote
marcovandereijk
My blood would start running at the moment they are together in any
studio. All of them. (...) They need to jam around a theme and
the combined input of all members should be heard in the results.

You nailed it.


["I can hear the Bullfrog calling me..."]

I agree that VOODOO LOUNGE was the last attempt at a true band effort. Mick's songs for LICKS started out with pre-production demos with Matt Clifford. The same was true of both "Streets of Love" and "Rain Fall Down" on A BIGGER BANG. The BRIDGES approach was Charlie and Ronnie (and sometimes Mick and Keith) filling in on Mick and Keith's respective solo recordings. A BIGGER BANG was Mick's DIY solo album with the others overdubbing where appropriate. Since then we've had mainly Mick finishing up old outtakes (with one substantial lead guitar overdub by Taylor treated as a sideman and minimal overdubs by Keith) and most recently, Mick and Keith overdubbing on separate continents to a track the rest of the band cut months before. Part of why I greeted the news of Keith working with Steve Jordan as well as I did is because much of the last two decades have seen the Stones label applied as a brand over mainly Jagger solo tracks. From that perspective, I would prefer Mick just work solo and be honest about it.

Both good and still sad news!

Knowing that Mick and Keith are not in the same studio
for some time to come makes it hardf to believe there will
be another new Stones recorded. By far any tour to celebrate the 50 th anniversary as a band, to come, is out of the question!

Hopefully it'll all resolve itself quite soon though!

Been Stoned since 1964 and still am!
visit: www.myspace.com/hansjansson

Quote
marcovandereijk
It is fascinating to read all the interpretations by us fans, who have so little to write
about at the moment that the smallest piece of information is being treated as if it is a
revelation of some sort straight out of heaven.

To add my two cents: My blood would start running at the moment they are together in any
studio. All of them. The best albums were the result of the band working on the basic
ideas together, inspiring each other and making things work. Someone posted about the
way the 3 last albums were done. I don't know what he/she wanted to say with that, but
weren't they produced very differently? I know not everybody is a fan of Voodoo Lounge,
but listening to the many outtakes of that album, I have the feeling this was the last time
they actually worked as a band in the studio. They need to jam around a theme and
the combined input of all members should be heard in the results.

Sorry, but they will never again do this.
sad, very sad (good song title), but this is the reality.
bye jeroen

Quote
marcovandereijk
I know not everybody is a fan of Voodoo Lounge,
but listening to the many outtakes of that album, I have the feeling this was the last time
they actually worked as a band in the studio. They need to jam around a theme and
the combined input of all members should be heard in the results.

Honestly, I'd much rather have A Bigger Bang and Bridges as another Voodoo Lounge.

I think what you are talking about is true. The greatest work came from jamming together, living together, and working on something over a period of time.

But guys pushing 70 with seperate lives are not going to drop everything and move into a French villa for 6-8 months and play music 14 hours a day until they get another masterpiece out of it.

The intensity is not the same as when they were 25-30. Those days are gone. Seems like Voodoo proved it in the results.

Quote
Rocky Dijon
I agree that VOODOO LOUNGE was the last attempt at a true band effort. Mick's songs for LICKS started out with pre-production demos with Matt Clifford. The same was true of both "Streets of Love" and "Rain Fall Down" on A BIGGER BANG. The BRIDGES approach was Charlie and Ronnie (and sometimes Mick and Keith) filling in on Mick and Keith's respective solo recordings. A BIGGER BANG was Mick's DIY solo album with the others overdubbing where appropriate. Since then we've had mainly Mick finishing up old outtakes (with one substantial lead guitar overdub by Taylor treated as a sideman and minimal overdubs by Keith) and most recently, Mick and Keith overdubbing on separate continents to a track the rest of the band cut months before. Part of why I greeted the news of Keith working with Steve Jordan as well as I did is because much of the last two decades have seen the Stones label applied as a brand over mainly Jagger solo tracks. From that perspective, I would prefer Mick just work solo and be honest about it.

...understandable then why Keith would go over the cliff and write an autobiography.....hard to imagine these 2 writing again together...although wonders never cease

Quote
KeefintheNight82

Quote
marcovandereijk
I know not everybody is a fan of Voodoo Lounge,
but listening to the many outtakes of that album, I have the feeling this was the last time
they actually worked as a band in the studio. They need to jam around a theme and
the combined input of all members should be heard in the results.

Honestly, I'd much rather have A Bigger Bang and Bridges as another Voodoo Lounge.

I think what you are talking about is true. The greatest work came from jamming together, living together, and working on something over a period of time.

But guys pushing 70 with seperate lives are not going to drop everything and move into a French villa for 6-8 months and play music 14 hours a day until they get another masterpiece out of it.

The intensity is not the same as when they were 25-30. Those days are gone. Seems like Voodoo proved it in the results.

Good points, both of you. I think VOODOO LOUNGE was a kind of 'nostalgy trip' for all of them to do it like they once did. The result was not any new inspiring songs, or the band finding new ways of self-expression but the very opposite: a retro album that sounds like The Rollings Stones plays a lot of safe and sure, familiar Rolling Stones sounding songs. I guess many liked it but I found that extremily boring and repitive - to me the album sounded like every decision was made from the base where he easiest and quickest solution can be found - no challenge, no danger, no thrill. Just 'by numbers', My guess is that to play like that - safe and sure, no surprises - was the easiest way for the band to cope with each other. Perhaps it was a nice 'family meeting', and no one wanted spoil the atmospher by too hard demands, by new strange ideas, by kicking other's butt to work harder, by waking the others during a night when the 'right moment or inspiration' comes, etc. All this within the awereness that there is a potential atomic bomb there created by the two extreme egos present... Jagger's lyrics on that record reflect how inspired he was...

My impression is that already after or during EMOTIONAL RESCUE sessions the band (Mick) realized that the days to spend a helluva time together and work their asses off in a studio in order to result some worthwile results is gone. Most likely the problem is that Mick and Keith are not able co-work any longer long and hard as one collective mind, and thereby each decision is a matter of some kind of ego-war. They don't seem to trust on each others intuitions any longer, or that they are drifted so apart from each other as creative musicians. The result is that when they are together in a same room no-one wants to upset each other by offering too radical ideas but relies more on safe and sure 'okay'¨compromise solutions. That's not very creative atmosphere.

Okay, that was some psycho-explanation. Nowadays the reason could easily be that they just don't bother other anymore to spend time in some odd place out of their normal life too long. Why should they? To make another EXILE? Please....

- Doxa



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2011-04-26 21:01 by Doxa.

Tight lipped about their albums? Well, no way!
Mick and the Stones always knew how to generate anticipation and promote their new stuff.

Quote
Rocky Dijon
I agree that VOODOO LOUNGE was the last attempt at a true band effort. Mick's songs for LICKS started out with pre-production demos with Matt Clifford. The same was true of both "Streets of Love" and "Rain Fall Down" on A BIGGER BANG. The BRIDGES approach was Charlie and Ronnie (and sometimes Mick and Keith) filling in on Mick and Keith's respective solo recordings. A BIGGER BANG was Mick's DIY solo album with the others overdubbing where appropriate. Since then we've had mainly Mick finishing up old outtakes (with one substantial lead guitar overdub by Taylor treated as a sideman and minimal overdubs by Keith) and most recently, Mick and Keith overdubbing on separate continents to a track the rest of the band cut months before. Part of why I greeted the news of Keith working with Steve Jordan as well as I did is because much of the last two decades have seen the Stones label applied as a brand over mainly Jagger solo tracks. From that perspective, I would prefer Mick just work solo and be honest about it.

That's interesting over-view of the development of 'recent' years. I tend to have the same impression of the Stones as a Mick Jagger run brand. While Keith talks, Mick works and makes all the important decisions concerning their career... it almost looks like Keith is only a formal co-leader of the band. Partly the Mick-rant in LIFE sounds like a bitter worker rebelling against the actions of his boss. Could it be that Mick's real power within the band is in the knowledge that anything can only happen if it will be done in a way he wishes. Otherwise it will not happen anything. No matter how much 'shares' of the company Keith or Charlie or Ronnie theoretically has, it is only Jagger whose words finally matters in anything.

This is also the picture I have of the 'real' winner of the 80's ego war between Mick and Keith over the leadership of The Rolling Stones. Mick was laughed at for his miserable solo career and Keith was heroshipped for rescuing the band but behind the curtains the reality was a bit different. It could be that the Jagger who came back in 1989 was more tougher and decisive guy than the one who left them in 1983, while Keith and the rest were more pussycat and yes-men-like then...

But of course, Jagger heavy involvement in their recents recordings can be due to the simple fact that he has so much energy while the others (especially Keith) are so bloody lazy these days, thinking "let Mick do it all since he bothers"...

- Doxa



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-04-26 21:40 by Doxa.

The lyrics to "Infamy" argue for the former rather than the latter. Keith's lack of solo work since the relative commercial failure of MAIN OFFENDER argues for the latter theory. Either one seems to be valid.

Quote
TeddyB1018
Keith's first choice bar none is a new Stones album. They are waiting on Mick.

...if they are waiting on Mick's solo outtakes for another ABB it's better another Keef & Winos album.

is it possible they would do the 50th without any new music?

Quote
melillo
is it possible they would do the 50th without any new music?

they did the 44th, 45th, 46th, 47th, 48th and (pending) 49th without any...i see a definite pattern developing here....

Quote
Doxa
I think VOODOO LOUNGE was a kind of 'nostalgy trip' for all of them to do it like they once did. The result was not any new inspiring songs, or the band finding new ways of self-expression but the very opposite: a retro album that sounds like The Rollings Stones plays a lot of safe and sure, familiar Rolling Stones sounding songs. I guess many liked it but I found that extremily boring and repitive - to me the album sounded like every decision was made from the base where he easiest and quickest solution can be found - no challenge, no danger, no thrill. Just 'by numbers', My guess is that to play like that - safe and sure, no surprises - was the easiest way for the band to cope with each other.

come on man, didn't you read that they recorded some of the drums in a stairway?! Sheer brilliance by Was ... Isn't that challenging and dangerous for you!?