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jagger and Ry Cooder play on this one. Great slide!
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Sister Morphine
jagger and Ry Cooder play on this one. Great slide!
Is that Jagger on the acoustic? Wow, never knew that.
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Sway
Did Keith write the chords and as he was not about Jagger learned them for the session or is it a Jagger song with Jagger/Richards credit
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Sister Morphine
jagger and Ry Cooder play on this one. Great slide!
Is that Jagger on the acoustic? Wow, never knew that.
No it's not, it's Richards.
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Any idea who plays what on Brown Sugar?
Good stuff, thanks.. That's kind of what I always heard and thought.... Wasn't this song used for auditions for guitarists. If so it seems no one passed...Quote
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Any idea who plays what on Brown Sugar?
Richards plays all guitars. Taylor's original part as can be heard on the outtakes, have been removed completely for the released track. What you hear is about five Keith parts. Left is the original open G track from Muscle Shoals, right is a rhtyhm track by Richards that is composed from three or 4 tracks. There's 2 guitars doing little one-string runs, a stanard tuned guitar doing a Berry-like rhythm, and during the verses (woo!) there's an overdub of an open G tuned guitar. And Richards does the acoustic. But basically, Taylor doesn't play on the released version of BS.
Live in 1972 and 1973 Taylor would play very close to his original rhythm track, which is a tremelo picked guitar.
There's about 6 or 7 outtakes of BS, and it is very interesting to hear how the production continued, with Richards first taking bits out of Taylor's track and overdubbing onto it, then replacing it altogether. Version III even has an overdubbed solo that sounds like Taylor, later removed again.
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DandelionPowderman
I guess Keith helped form the chorus (and the verses, seemingly, after hearing the Hopkins tapes) vocally, at least.
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Is it not Jagger on acoustic at least on Marianne Faithfull's version?
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Sway
Did Keith write the chords and as he was not about Jagger learned them for the session or is it a Jagger song with Jagger/Richards credit
Would say its a Jagger song with a shared credit.
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DiscoVolante
I've always seen Sticky Fingers (and Goats Head Soup) as a Jagger/Taylor album; while Let it bleed and Exile being Keith's.
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Any idea who plays what on Brown Sugar?
Richards plays all guitars. Taylor's original part as can be heard on the outtakes, have been removed completely for the released track. What you hear is about five Keith parts. Left is the original open G track from Muscle Shoals, right is a rhtyhm track by Richards that is composed from three or 4 tracks. There's 2 guitars doing little one-string runs, a stanard tuned guitar doing a Berry-like rhythm, and during the verses (woo!) there's an overdub of an open G tuned guitar. And Richards does the acoustic. But basically, Taylor doesn't play on the released version of BS.
Live in 1972 and 1973 Taylor would play very close to his original rhythm track, which is a tremelo picked guitar.
There's about 6 or 7 outtakes of BS, and it is very interesting to hear how the production continued, with Richards first taking bits out of Taylor's track and overdubbing onto it, then replacing it altogether. Version III even has an overdubbed solo that sounds like Taylor, later removed again.
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The final catchy riff at the end [of CYHMK] is started ion the lead guitar but doubled up by the rhythm part so could be a precomposed part by Richards, which suggests the jam was a planned thing rather than a spontaneous bit of luck.
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Stoneburst
Most if not all of the band members have suggested that it was a spontaneous, one-take thing at some point or another, presumably to feed the song's undeniable mystique. It obviously isn't: the changes are far too carefully worked out, and that isn't how the Stones played anyway.
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Any idea who plays what on Brown Sugar?
Live in 1972 and 1973 Taylor would play very close to his original rhythm track, which is a tremelo picked guitar.
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Most if not all of the band members have suggested that it was a spontaneous, one-take thing at some point or another, presumably to feed the song's undeniable mystique. It obviously isn't: the changes are far too carefully worked out, and that isn't how the Stones played anyway.
Concur. It sounds way too worked out.I have never ever believed it being spontaneous, except, perhaps the first time they stumbled upon jamming on it. But thats not the take on the album.
Haven´t heard the 40 takes on the CYHMK coda Stoneburst...It would be cool if these threads starts to include links directly to the in-work versions and demos of the songs or links to the HotStuff section where we can find these versions. I presume somebody have collected different versions/boots of work in preogress tracks over the years and categorized it as "albums" ?
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Most if not all of the band members have suggested that it was a spontaneous, one-take thing at some point or another, presumably to feed the song's undeniable mystique. It obviously isn't: the changes are far too carefully worked out, and that isn't how the Stones played anyway.
Concur. It sounds way too worked out.I have never ever believed it being spontaneous, except, perhaps the first time they stumbled upon jamming on it. But thats not the take on the album.
Haven´t heard the 40 takes on the CYHMK coda Stoneburst...It would be cool if these threads starts to include links directly to the in-work versions and demos of the songs or links to the HotStuff section where we can find these versions. I presume somebody have collected different versions/boots of work in preogress tracks over the years and categorized it as "albums" ?
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As for I Got The Blues, who plays which guitar? I think Taylor on the right, Richards on the left. What do you think, Dandie?
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Any idea who plays what on Brown Sugar?
Live in 1972 and 1973 Taylor would play very close to his original rhythm track, which is a tremelo picked guitar.
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Rather than the "I hear it"/"I hear it not" thing, you can see in both CS Blues and the Dick Cavett Show during the third verse, Taylor appears to be playing a "Berry-like rhythm" with his left hand and strumming (not tremolo picking) with his right.
By '73, was doing something different with the slide.
(In BS, I'd call what he used to do quavers, starting with the version at Altamont. I hear him tremolo picking in SV and during CYHMK in 2013.)
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As for I Got The Blues, who plays which guitar? I think Taylor on the right, Richards on the left. What do you think, Dandie?
This song is, together with Shake Your Hips, an example of beautiful weaving by Taylor and Keith.
On I Got The Blues, Taylor starts the song in the left channel (in my headphones anyway), while Keith's guitar is in the right.
It's kinda hard to tell who's who in this, because Taylor is playing lots of licks that Keith normally would do (1:47, for instance). His precision reveals him, though
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Any idea who plays what on Brown Sugar?
Live in 1972 and 1973 Taylor would play very close to his original rhythm track, which is a tremelo picked guitar.
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Rather than the "I hear it"/"I hear it not" thing, you can see in both CS Blues and the Dick Cavett Show during the third verse, Taylor appears to be playing a "Berry-like rhythm" with his left hand and strumming (not tremolo picking) with his right.
By '73, was doing something different with the slide.
(In BS, I'd call what he used to do quavers, starting with the version at Altamont. I hear him tremolo picking in SV and during CYHMK in 2013.)
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Any idea who plays what on Brown Sugar?
Live in 1972 and 1973 Taylor would play very close to his original rhythm track, which is a tremelo picked guitar.
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Rather than the "I hear it"/"I hear it not" thing, you can see in both CS Blues and the Dick Cavett Show during the third verse, Taylor appears to be playing a "Berry-like rhythm" with his left hand and strumming (not tremolo picking) with his right.
By '73, was doing something different with the slide.
(In BS, I'd call what he used to do quavers, starting with the version at Altamont. I hear him tremolo picking in SV and during CYHMK in 2013.)
I am not sure what you mean by "tremelo"? Do you mean the guitar effect produced by a peddle, which I would say the right hand guitar on "I Got The Blues" has applied or do you mean "arpeggio" as in picking the notes of a chord rather than strumming he chord? From what I can see of the live performances Taylor plays some arpeggios of the chords and then basically doubles up Richards guitar chords with the same "Chuck Berry" groove but in standard tuning rather than open G. While on the alternate take below he does the same and adds a brief solo. It is interesting that the counter melody he developed over the chorus in live performance happened later than the recording, showing how working a song in live can bring up cool ideas. I prefer the live versions of many of their songs simply because the LP version is over familiar and Taylor (when not over playing) adds some nice extra melodies. I actually feel like something is missing when I hear the studio version of BS now when I listen to it!
There is also this one from 1969 with some slide by Taylor I presume?
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As for I Got The Blues, who plays which guitar? I think Taylor on the right, Richards on the left. What do you think, Dandie?
This song is, together with Shake Your Hips, an example of beautiful weaving by Taylor and Keith.
On I Got The Blues, Taylor starts the song in the left channel (in my headphones anyway), while Keith's guitar is in the right.
It's kinda hard to tell who's who in this, because Taylor is playing lots of licks that Keith normally would do (1:47, for instance). His precision reveals him, though
Taylor on left, Richards right. Taylor is the dry clean tone, Richards the guitar with the tremelo effect.
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As for I Got The Blues, who plays which guitar? I think Taylor on the right, Richards on the left. What do you think, Dandie?
This song is, together with Shake Your Hips, an example of beautiful weaving by Taylor and Keith.
On I Got The Blues, Taylor starts the song in the left channel (in my headphones anyway), while Keith's guitar is in the right.
It's kinda hard to tell who's who in this, because Taylor is playing lots of licks that Keith normally would do (1:47, for instance). His precision reveals him, though
Taylor on left, Richards right. Taylor is the dry clean tone, Richards the guitar with the tremelo effect.
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I doubted it, and thought he would be on the right, so I said that (because they can fool us, those guys, you know). But the main reason is that the left guitar starts the song and normally Richards is the first one can hear. But the bluesy sound of the left guitar resembles Taylor on IGTB during the Marquee 'show' in 71. So now I also think Taylor is on the left.