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>but we all know Take No Prisoners is the greatest live album ever

Ha.

*The* great Lou Reed concert album is LIVE IN ITALY, with the transcendant Robert Quine on lead guitar. The "Some Kinda Love / Sister Ray" medley alone wipes the floor with LIVE AT LEEDS.

pete is far more talented than keith IMO , but those keith riffs keep him in the game

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To the poster who asked if The Sex Pistols took the roof off... (above)

If you mean the roof of Greens Playhouse (later the Glasgow Apollo), the Pistols didn't play under it. They were supposed to, in December 1976 on the 'Anarchy' tour, but the gig was cancelled by Glasgow's city fathers.


Anyway, back on topic...

Well that's what I'm call Rock'n'roll ! Too dangerous for the local church men ...

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Pete doesn't have arthritis

But Pete Townshend in the 90's had a terrible wrist break when he fell of his bike that compromised his playing:

TOWNSHEND: "One day in 1991 I fell off a push bike, broke my wrist so badly that I was told I would never play guitar again, and possibly never be able even to hold a pencil."

From [www.theatreroyal.com]

GUITAR.COM: "One of the joys of Psychoderelict is hearing you step back into playing electric guitar."

TOWNSHEND: "I think it's because of this bike accident I had that kind of snatched the acoustic guitar away from me. I can still play acoustic, but with nothing like the kind of grace I used to be able to play. And I suddenly realized when I couldn't play it that my style of playing had become an enormous vanity for me. I'd actually become obsessed with how much better I was at playing rhythm guitar than almost anybody that I knew apart from the great flamenco players I'd seen in the streets of Spain. You know, nobody could play like me, I think. And I fell off the bike. I broke my wrist and shattered it into a thousand pieces and it doesn't revolve and I can't play very good rhythm guitar. So I've actually gone back to the guitar as a sort of new instrument, redressed it, and actually found that it's an enjoyable instrument to play in any shape or form. I've kind of lost that vanity that I'd built up around acoustic playing, because I certainly didn't start off with that vanity. I didn't start off feeling that I was a great rhythm player. I used to feel that I was a guitar player who was going to improve in time. And I think that what happened was I didn't get up the kind of speed that I wanted. I fell back into a kind of style of rhythm that, I think, was exemplified on the '89 Who tour. It was actually very flashy. Anyway, I've lost that, and I think it did actually get me back to picking up an electric guitar and banging away at it with my broken wrist with titanium rods in it, and hearing sounds come out that actually surprised me."

From [www.musiciansfriend.com]

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Makes me wonder what live sound Mick with just Keith, Charlie and Bill might
have produced ( I suppose a bootleg or two of those notorious Brian-less
concerts might be out there ).

I believe that "those notorious Brian-less concerts" are probably a figment of Keith's imagination... True, Keith may have been the only guitar during several songs at concerts, but judging by the 1966-1967 bootlegs that we've heard, Brian more than made up for things in other ways, & until I hear audio evidence I remain unconvinced that Brian was too out of it to play.

No, it's documented in several places that Brian missed a bunch of shows due to illness on the 64 and 65 American tours.

In Bill's book there's a list of every show the Stones ever played and he notes in parenthesis the ones they did without Brian. There's a surprisingly large number of them.

Oh OK, I forgot about them & assumed shakeydeal was referring to the 1967 shows where Brian was (supposedly) too out of it to play.

There have been more than a few shows where Ronnie was misssing

AND on ABB a few Keith should have !

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I tend to agree, Melillo. If you've ever seen Pete play his acoustic guitar unplugged, you'd see some jaw-dropping chops. I've been a fan of Pete's for over 45 years....I suppose that everyone knows that Pete stole his famous wind mill move from ole Keith, right??

I think Keith is/was a more versatile player. Pete on the acoustic though is tremendous!

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>but we all know Take No Prisoners is the greatest live album ever

Ha.

*The* great Lou Reed concert album is LIVE IN ITALY, with the transcendant Robert Quine on lead guitar. The "Some Kinda Love / Sister Ray" medley alone wipes the floor with LIVE AT LEEDS.

agreed. Most of the jokes quoted from Take No Prisoners are nonsensical, or just red meat for his fans. Not the great music of Live in Italy. It's too bad there aren't many other pro recordings of Lou Reed with his late '70s backing (the Everyman Band?)... the shows I've heard from '75 (with Doug Yule on guitar!) are somewhat lighter and funkier than the more leaden sound on Take No Prisoners.


Townshend seems to me to be always underrated as a lead guitarist. He doesn't seem to be held in the same esteem as some of his peers, but when I hear him play blazing licks, as on Leeds, I'm not sure what else is wanted.

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>but we all know Take No Prisoners is the greatest live album ever

Ha.

*The* great Lou Reed concert album is LIVE IN ITALY, with the transcendant Robert Quine on lead guitar. The "Some Kinda Love / Sister Ray" medley alone wipes the floor with LIVE AT LEEDS.

agreed. Most of the jokes quoted from Take No Prisoners are nonsensical, or just red meat for his fans. Not the great music of Live in Italy. It's too bad there aren't many other pro recordings of Lou Reed with his late '70s backing (the Everyman Band?)... the shows I've heard from '75 (with Doug Yule on guitar!) are somewhat lighter and funkier than the more leaden sound on Take No Prisoners.

Actually, the "Take No Prisoners" version of "Sweet Jane" is potentially definitive and at the least explosive until he goes into the Lenny Bruce stuff. The gem off the album is the version of "Berlin."

This was one of two LPs (the other being Street Hassle) recorded in the arcane mode of "binaural". To experience its benefits, you need to listen through headphones, and actually it is kinda cool. But I think it made the mixes muddy otherwise heard.

Oh yeah - Townshend and Keef! Lou did some shows with Pete a few years ago. Two kinky guys...they could've invited Ray Davies and Mick...and Iggy and Bowie...and....



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there are better versions of "Sweet Jane" on unofficial recordings from the period... he really didn't do the Henny Youngman stuff for shows that I've heard besides the ones on the album. So he must have developed the concept for the album, and even prepared material.

when keith was "on" nobody could touch him. he drove the greatest band ever to heights Townsend could only dream of. i dig Townsend but his playing is far too conventional in comparison with the man.

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How about we make this Taylor vs Townshend?

Better not. Before you know we will have another Taylor vs Wood thread

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when keith was "on" nobody could touch him. he drove the greatest band ever to heights Townsend could only dream of. i dig Townsend but his playing is far too conventional in comparison with the man.

There ain't nothing conventional about Townshend's playing on Live at Leeds! A slashing, burning lead/rhythm hybrid like nothing that preceded it which hasn't been equalled subsequently.

One could be cruel and call most of Keef's playing on Ya-Yas "second generation Chuck Berry."

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Pete doesn't have arthritis

But Pete Townshend in the 90's had a terrible wrist break when he fell of his bike that compromised his playing:

TOWNSHEND: "One day in 1991 I fell off a push bike, broke my wrist so badly that I was told I would never play guitar again, and possibly never be able even to hold a pencil."

From [www.theatreroyal.com]

GUITAR.COM: "One of the joys of Psychoderelict is hearing you step back into playing electric guitar."

TOWNSHEND: "I think it's because of this bike accident I had that kind of snatched the acoustic guitar away from me. I can still play acoustic, but with nothing like the kind of grace I used to be able to play. And I suddenly realized when I couldn't play it that my style of playing had become an enormous vanity for me. I'd actually become obsessed with how much better I was at playing rhythm guitar than almost anybody that I knew apart from the great flamenco players I'd seen in the streets of Spain. You know, nobody could play like me, I think. And I fell off the bike. I broke my wrist and shattered it into a thousand pieces and it doesn't revolve and I can't play very good rhythm guitar. So I've actually gone back to the guitar as a sort of new instrument, redressed it, and actually found that it's an enjoyable instrument to play in any shape or form. I've kind of lost that vanity that I'd built up around acoustic playing, because I certainly didn't start off with that vanity. I didn't start off feeling that I was a great rhythm player. I used to feel that I was a guitar player who was going to improve in time. And I think that what happened was I didn't get up the kind of speed that I wanted. I fell back into a kind of style of rhythm that, I think, was exemplified on the '89 Who tour. It was actually very flashy. Anyway, I've lost that, and I think it did actually get me back to picking up an electric guitar and banging away at it with my broken wrist with titanium rods in it, and hearing sounds come out that actually surprised me."

From [www.musiciansfriend.com]

I really like Pete Townshend...quotes like that remind me of why.
I felt shattered with all the child porn news stuff from way back....I only hope none of it is actually true.

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TOWNSHEND: "One day in 1991 I fell off a push bike, broke my wrist so badly that I was told I would never play guitar again, and possibly never be able even to hold a pencil."

Who knew bicycles would be a source of self-destruction for rock stars?

From CNN, Nov 20: U2's Bono suffered extensive injuries, had hours of surgery after bicycle crash

The singer had a "high-energy bicycle accident" when he tried to avoid another rider Sunday at Central Park, according to New York Presbyterian/Weill Cornell Medical Center, where he was treated. The hospital released details on his injuries for the first time Wednesday night.

Bono underwent hours of multiple surgeries after the accident, it said.

He broke his arm in six spots, fractured his eye socket and also his shoulder blade—the latter in three places, according to Dr. Dean Lorich, a trauma surgeon at the hospital.

Doctors operated on him for five hours Sunday, which included repairing his bone with three metal plates and 18 screws, Lorich said in a statement.

A day later, he had surgery on his left hand to repair a fracture.

"He will require intensive and progressive therapy. However, a full recovery is expected," the doctor said.

While Pete may have better rhythm chops than Keith, now and in the past, Keith has more soul in his arthritic little finger than Pete has in both hands. peace

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How come Keith seems to be 20 years older than Pete.

Take a closer look.