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Exactly. I love that footage of Mick and Bianca at their wedding. You can see the tension and people took Bianca's rather surly demeanor as evidence of her arrogance etc...but Mick had just dropped a bomb on her. She was, rightly, insulted and evidently hurt. For someone like Bianca to swallow her pride like that must have taken real steel will, going against her own sense of self-respect. I do agree with your assessment of Bianca's tantrums and dramas, yes, I also suspected it was her retaliation to Mick's behavior and that puts her "bitchiness" into a different perspective. That was her hurt pride.
You mentioned Mick not wanting Bianca to go on tour with him....I remember in an earlier Stones book (Scaduto?), someone was recounting an incident between Mick and Bianca: On the eve of his departure for the 72 tour, Bianca decided that if she wasn't going, her silk scarves were not going, so she demanded that Mick unpack every suitcase and remove them. That's funny, but the funniest thing is that Mick was crying like a little boy! Who knows if this is true, but it fits. I also read that she once threatened him with a Dillinger after suspecting him of cheating...that's crazy and slightly comical. Bianca may be cool, collected in public, but ....lol
Bebe Buell also mentions how they played games - trying to one-up each other. At party, Mick was openly flirt in front of Bianca to get a rise out of her, and she would calmly pretend it didn't affect her, and then go out of her way to befriend the woman in question, throwing MIck off his game. They seemed to thrive on messing with each other ('I simply love to put her to the test...'
But what makes it more interesting to me are the hints at genuine tenderness ('Wanna wrap my coat around you..') There is a quote from Bianca from 76 in People Magazine responding to rumors of them splitting....she said: "The man I live with is Michael Phillip Jagger, very intelligent and well-read and I've never met a man who has made him dimmer in my eyes.."
It was crazy all right.
Jerry was more tolerant and gullible - I have no doubt he loved her and had a life with her. But I never thought they fit. Even Jerry has recently said that she believes the main reason they were together was the children....and they maybe were not meant to stay together - that's a big revelation for her.
I agree about L'wren, Jagger seems to be really thriving in this relationship - there seems to be a genuine mutual respect. He supports her, is with her all the time, they do things together. She's intelligent, intellectual, strong.....I also believe she's the best for Mick.
But I do think Bianca was the one who got to him. and that's not necessarily the person you should be with.
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One of my all-time favorite Bianca photos: always reminds of the first Technotronic LP cover.
[3.bp.blogspot.com]
One of my favorite quotes is from a review of CS Blues, where they describe Bianca in the movie as looking like "Sade at a Nirvana concert."
Many see Anita's syle as iconic, but to me, it was no different than most 60s Rock Chick: The funky scarves, gypsey dresses and boots.....Its rock and roll, but not original. Whereas, Bianca was rocking those mannish suits, the fedora hats before it became cool. Its stylish now, Angelina Jolie's white suit etc...But in the early 70s, Bianca was sort of channeling the Katherine Hepburn days in a time of mini-skirts and frilly prints. She looked absolutely modern, more so now. I also think Bianca's own latina style added something funky - the Cuban-style fedoras, gangster-esque suits are very Zoot Suit Latino. In my high school in Houston, in the early 80s, the low rider girls would go all out in their Stacy Adams shoes and slick suits, pocket watch and hats on Fridays....That was a big part of what makes that look so sleek - there was an attitude, a latino attitude.
[www.gettyimages.com]
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ProudMary, I could keep this thread on a continious loop from the things I've read over the years....HBwriter might regret starting it.
I love the anecdote from the above link you posted: Neil Young is a favorite and his "Old Man" is my favorite. It makes me sad when I listen to it. But who would have thought Bianca would have the same reaction. It could be the lyrics that made her sad, Neil Young can do that - or perhaps that she listened to it with Mick, or Mick listened to it....or some kind of connection to Mick...etc...You would expect Marianne to listen to Neil Young, but with Bianca, it just throws the whole aloof Bianca off-kilter. Who knows, but its an example of why she continues to fascinate me - you would never expect something like this, and so these glimpses just give her more realness.
I actually liked Keith's comments about Bianca. Bianca herself has said, inia an Independent or Guardian article, that friends tell her 'You need more humor...' She admited, laughingly, that it is something she's working on.
She is very serious, solemn. But Keith seems to have also recognized her true nature, he admits his first impressions might have been based on how she carried herself at the time, her aloofness etc...
He still thinks she brought Mick into the world of "society", and I think that's debatable. Bianca's friends were artists, designers, literaray figures like Gore Vidal and then later on, the Studio 54 crowd.....not royalty or aristocracy, that's always been Mick's thing, and a Stones things really. From the beginning the Stones became distinguished guests of the young Lords and Ladies of the British aristocracy, the Ormsby-Gores, the Guinesses etc...Anita, Marianne - they were part of that circle...the difference is that these young Lords and Ladies were part of the drug and rock, Swinging London culture, so I guess they were acceptable to Keith. Bianca said in an early 90s Time magazine article that "I'm not the one hobnobbing with royalty..." referring to Mick. Bianca is able to relate to daeth row inmates, peasants and communicate with them, that's not a snob. Bianca is also friends with Fran Lebowitz, who is a friend of Keith's....I thought Keith was very respectful of Bianca and that was a nice surprise. She's more of a rebel than he realized, and that shows in her politics, she despises corporate, institutionalized opression and the status quo.....so is he. Keith once said, after Mick and Bianca's divorce that, "she had a bigger negative influence on him than anyone would have thought possible..."
I thought he was being bitchy, but he might have been referring to how Mick took the divorce. I think Keith was gentlemanly in his assessment of her.
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Well, it´s not easy being a penis, you have a hole in your head, your next door neighbours are nuts, and when you are feeeling your best, you puke.
Vilhelm
[www.stonesvikings.com]
[www.stonesondecca.com]
ROFLMAO!!!!!
***********************************************************
"What I'm doing is a sexual thing. I dance and all dancing is a replacement for sex". - Mick Jagger
Great story! One of the reasons IORR is tops, members with real experiences to share, not just opinions.
Does anyone know anything about Bianca's personal life post-Mick? The only reference I could find was this one:
[en.wikipedia.org]
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Excellent TOTR. You're posts about Bianca are fantastic and fascinating.
I don't know these people, nor have I met them, as some here have. I claim to be nothing but an amateur.... I was just a kid from Texas reading about them and listening to the music, watching the circus and making observations. But maybe that's the best vantage point, its purely from a "bystander's" observations.
And Swiss, your observations of the narcissism, prickly-ness are correct - that seems to have a personality trait in both which is what makes them most interesting to me, because those are the public perceptions based on their public personas, public appearances and outward behaviors, dramas etc... But my point has always been that the there seems to be something beyond that that remains private, in regard to both. They are both, apart from their more childish, adolescent episodes (the Ford visit and countless others). TOTR's rocollections of Bianca show a different side of her, betraying the more superficial aspects of her persona, particularly back then. She seemed to thrive on drama, friction when she was with MIck, maybe her own way of trying to overpower him and his ego. She seemed to be driven by insecurities and a need for attention back then, was probably as immature, self-absorbed as Mick, hence, why they seemed so combustable ie...'they never seemed to like each other...' I believe Shirley Arnold also said that. But that's black-and-white statement about two very complex people who stayed together for seven years and whom he never talks about to this day.
And Turd,, Mick always maintained that "Respectable" was a shot at the press, and I always took the anger in that song to be a reference about his situation with Bianca and her constantly accusing him of cheating he has implied as such......'Go @#$%& my wife...' is a pretty pissed-off diatribe, especially in the 78 live versions. He sounded angry, bitter....and hopeless. In this early Beast of Burden vocal, he sounds desparately in love with a woman whom he can't control or please. The original refrain is, "I'm still in love with you..." rather than "All I want is for you to make love with me.."
'I wanna live with her, she don't want to live with me....She don't understand, she tells me she don't think that Im the right kind of man...cannot help myself, I'm still in love with you....'
There is another version where the vocal is clearer (Some Other Girls)....but again, its a glimpse, a hint that there was more there.
Swiss,, there just seemed to be alot more going on than either publically showed. Sure, they were narcissistic, prickly, but perhaps they met their match in each other. Simply because they didn't hang all over in each in public and shower the other with public utterance of devotion....or partake in countless PDA moments....sometimes I think its the opposite of what appears to be. Still waters and that.
Turd, , you mentioned the incongruity of some Bianca's actions back then, her involvement of more trivial pursuits....
There is an interview with Bianca in Interview Magazine from 78. Warhol loved the trivial, and at that time, Bianca seemed to be caught up in some celebrity aspirations, wanting to act, taken seriously etc.....and for pages, Bianca went on in the interview about such, seeming no different than countless other rock star/movie star wives, girlfriends - but at some point, Bob Collacelo asked her about what was going on in Nicaragua and its civil unrest....this is when Bianca turns into something else, she becomes intelligent, passionate, serious etc....its like she was two people back then. Perhaps she struggled with her identity until her childhood passion for politics finally won out. Even now, when I read an interview, Its hard to connect this woman with the woman who seemed so shallow, frivolous. In the Parade magazine article I've mentioned, she acknowledges that she "earned some suspicion", regarding her "noteriety".
People who still see her as that same shallow person are denying that an individual can more than one thing. But its that dichotomy which makes her, them most fascinating to me.
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Re: Bianca photo appreciation thread
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hbwriter
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Date: December 2, 2010 21:16
EG--i love that shot - the "bored" bianca is my favorite -
Re: Bianca photo appreciation thread
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stupidguy2
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Date: December 2, 2010 23:42
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Bliss
Yes, it's interesting, and I do agree with most of your views, SG2.
I think Bianca wanted and expected a marriage of equals, and in the Stones' world, no one is or was an equal. Mick treated her shabbily, from the hour before their marriage ceremony where he forced her to sign a pre-nup to her divorce settlement, where she got a paltry sum. So she retaliated with scenes and tantrums; I read that she ripped up his silk shirts with her teeth.
Jerry was a lot more tolerant and easy-going but even she got fed up, and got screwed financially as well.
I personally thnk L'Wren is the best woman Mick could be with; she has everything he could want in a woman and he has the chance to experience the rise of her career vicariously, which I am sure he misses in his own career. Not a word of drama or scandal has come out about her in the nearly 9 years they have been together, and you don't read about him pursuing other women either.
Exactly. I love that footage of Mick and Bianca at their wedding. You can see the tension and people took Bianca's rather surly demeanor as evidence of her arrogance etc...but Mick had just dropped a bomb on her. She was, rightly, insulted and evidently hurt. For someone like Bianca to swallow her pride like that must have taken real steel will, going against her own sense of self-respect. I do agree with your assessment of Bianca's tantrums and dramas, yes, I also suspected it was her retaliation to Mick's behavior and that puts her "bitchiness" into a different perspective. That was her hurt pride.
You mentioned Mick not wanting Bianca to go on tour with him....I remember in an earlier Stones book (Scaduto?), someone was recounting an incident between Mick and Bianca: On the eve of his departure for the 72 tour, Bianca decided that if she wasn't going, her silk scarves were not going, so she demanded that Mick unpack every suitcase and remove them. That's funny, but the funniest thing is that Mick was crying like a little boy! Who knows if this is true, but it fits. I also read that she once threatened him with a Dillinger after suspecting him of cheating...that's crazy and slightly comical. Bianca may be cool, collected in public, but ....lol
Bebe Buell also mentions how they played games - trying to one-up each other. At party, Mick was openly flirt in front of Bianca to get a rise out of her, and she would calmly pretend it didn't affect her, and then go out of her way to befriend the woman in question, throwing MIck off his game. They seemed to thrive on messing with each other ('I simply love to put her to the test...'
But what makes it more interesting to me are the hints at genuine tenderness ('Wanna wrap my coat around you..') There is a quote from Bianca from 76 in People Magazine responding to rumors of them splitting....she said: "The man I live with is Michael Phillip Jagger, very intelligent and well-read and I've never met a man who has made him dimmer in my eyes.."
It was crazy all right.
Jerry was more tolerant and gullible - I have no doubt he loved her and had a life with her. But I never thought they fit. Even Jerry has recently said that she believes the main reason they were together was the children....and they maybe were not meant to stay together - that's a big revelation for her.
I agree about L'wren, Jagger seems to be really thriving in this relationship - there seems to be a genuine mutual respect. He supports her, is with her all the time, they do things together. She's intelligent, intellectual, strong.....I also believe she's the best for Mick.
But I do think Bianca was the one who got to him. and that's not necessarily the person you should be with.
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Re: Bianca photo appreciation thread
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Date: December 2, 2010 23:45
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hbwriter
EG--i love that shot - the "bored" bianca is my favorite -
One of my all-time favorite Bianca photos: always reminds of the first Technotronic LP cover.
[3.bp.blogspot.com]
One of my favorite quotes is from a review of CS Blues, where they describe Bianca in the movie as looking like "Sade at a Nirvana concert."
Re: Bianca photo appreciation thread
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Honestman
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Date: December 3, 2010 00:23
Choose the one you need here
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who desserved a STICKY link on the main boards IMO 
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who desserved a STICKY link on the main boards IMO HMN
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Re: Bianca photo appreciation thread
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stupidguy2
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Date: December 3, 2010 01:04
HonestMan, thanks!
Mick and Bianca photos (together) are rare and many of these are new to me....
I'd seen this particular blog before, but apparently, they update. Fantasitc.
Mick and Bianca photos (together) are rare and many of these are new to me....
I'd seen this particular blog before, but apparently, they update. Fantasitc.
Re: Bianca photo appreciation thread
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Marie
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Date: December 3, 2010 02:14
I believe that L'Wren is good for him too. She's intelligent, strong, and independent with a fine career of her own. As far as not hearing about him pursuing other women? Let's hope not.... he's a 67 year old man...We all have to grow up sometime...
Re: Bianca photo appreciation thread
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Bliss
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Date: December 3, 2010 08:28
Fantastic pics on Leith's site. Say what you will about Bianca, I have never seen a pic where she was less than impeccably stylish and immaculately-groomed, unlike Anita, who was naturally beautiful, but in my opinion, had horrible taste, and was frequently unkempt and dirty-looking.
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Re: Bianca photo appreciation thread
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stupidguy2
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Date: December 3, 2010 21:14
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Bliss
Fantastic pics on Leith's site. Say what you will about Bianca, I have never seen a pic where she was less than impeccably stylish and immaculately-groomed, unlike Anita, who was naturally beautiful, but in my opinion, had horrible taste, and was frequently unkempt and dirty-looking.
Many see Anita's syle as iconic, but to me, it was no different than most 60s Rock Chick: The funky scarves, gypsey dresses and boots.....Its rock and roll, but not original. Whereas, Bianca was rocking those mannish suits, the fedora hats before it became cool. Its stylish now, Angelina Jolie's white suit etc...But in the early 70s, Bianca was sort of channeling the Katherine Hepburn days in a time of mini-skirts and frilly prints. She looked absolutely modern, more so now. I also think Bianca's own latina style added something funky - the Cuban-style fedoras, gangster-esque suits are very Zoot Suit Latino. In my high school in Houston, in the early 80s, the low rider girls would go all out in their Stacy Adams shoes and slick suits, pocket watch and hats on Fridays....That was a big part of what makes that look so sleek - there was an attitude, a latino attitude.
[www.gettyimages.com]
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Re: Bianca photo appreciation thread
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stupidguy2
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Date: December 3, 2010 21:23
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stupidguy2
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Bliss
Fantastic pics on Leith's site. Say what you will about Bianca, I have never seen a pic where she was less than impeccably stylish and immaculately-groomed, unlike Anita, who was naturally beautiful, but in my opinion, had horrible taste, and was frequently unkempt and dirty-looking.
Many see Anita's syle as iconic, but to me, it was no different than most 60s Rock Chick: The funky scarves, gypsey dresses and boots.....Its rock and roll, but not original. Whereas, Bianca was rocking those mannish suits, the fedora hats before it became cool. She wasn't just wearing designer suits, but specifically requesting that Yves St Laurent make her a men's-style cut suit, but with a feminine flair. Its stylish now, Angelina Jolie's white suit etc...But in the early 70s, Bianca was sort of channeling the Katherine Hepburn days in a time of mini-skirts and frilly prints. She looked absolutely modern, more so now. I also think Bianca's own latina style added something funky - the Cuban-style fedoras, gangster-esque suits are very Zoot Suit Latino. In my high school in Houston, in the early 80s, the low rider girls would go all out in their Stacy Adams shoes and slick suits, pocket watch and hats on Fridays....That was a big part of what makes that look so sleek - there was an attitude, a latino attitude.
[www.gettyimages.com]
Re: Bianca photo appreciation thread
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Bliss
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Date: December 3, 2010 21:43
It was much more than the suits; look at her in Ossie Clark dresses. Even now, those pics look timeless. Bianca was incomparably elegant. Her slenderness, her unerring fashion sense, her exquisite bone structure, her gorgeous hair, her poise, her self-control, her immaculate grooming as noted above. She was a true icon. No wonder Anita hated her.
Re: Bianca photo appreciation thread
Posted by:
proudmary
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Date: December 3, 2010 21:46
stupidguy2, I like your posts so much. Tell us more
Btw, what do you think about Keith's comments about Bianca, her lack of humor and this jet-set thing?
This foto is fantastic.
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Btw, what do you think about Keith's comments about Bianca, her lack of humor and this jet-set thing?
This foto is fantastic.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-12-03 21:56 by proudmary.
Re: Bianca photo appreciation thread
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stupidguy2
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Date: December 4, 2010 00:38
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proudmary
stupidguy2, I like your posts so much. Tell us more
Btw, what do you think about Keith's comments about Bianca, her lack of humor and this jet-set thing?
This foto is fantastic.
ProudMary, I could keep this thread on a continious loop from the things I've read over the years....HBwriter might regret starting it.
I love the anecdote from the above link you posted: Neil Young is a favorite and his "Old Man" is my favorite. It makes me sad when I listen to it. But who would have thought Bianca would have the same reaction. It could be the lyrics that made her sad, Neil Young can do that - or perhaps that she listened to it with Mick, or Mick listened to it....or some kind of connection to Mick...etc...You would expect Marianne to listen to Neil Young, but with Bianca, it just throws the whole aloof Bianca off-kilter. Who knows, but its an example of why she continues to fascinate me - you would never expect something like this, and so these glimpses just give her more realness.
I actually liked Keith's comments about Bianca. Bianca herself has said, inia an Independent or Guardian article, that friends tell her 'You need more humor...' She admited, laughingly, that it is something she's working on.
She is very serious, solemn. But Keith seems to have also recognized her true nature, he admits his first impressions might have been based on how she carried herself at the time, her aloofness etc...
He still thinks she brought Mick into the world of "society", and I think that's debatable. Bianca's friends were artists, designers, literaray figures like Gore Vidal and then later on, the Studio 54 crowd.....not royalty or aristocracy, that's always been Mick's thing, and a Stones things really. From the beginning the Stones became distinguished guests of the young Lords and Ladies of the British aristocracy, the Ormsby-Gores, the Guinesses etc...Anita, Marianne - they were part of that circle...the difference is that these young Lords and Ladies were part of the drug and rock, Swinging London culture, so I guess they were acceptable to Keith. Bianca said in an early 90s Time magazine article that "I'm not the one hobnobbing with royalty..." referring to Mick. Bianca is able to relate to daeth row inmates, peasants and communicate with them, that's not a snob. Bianca is also friends with Fran Lebowitz, who is a friend of Keith's....I thought Keith was very respectful of Bianca and that was a nice surprise. She's more of a rebel than he realized, and that shows in her politics, she despises corporate, institutionalized opression and the status quo.....so is he. Keith once said, after Mick and Bianca's divorce that, "she had a bigger negative influence on him than anyone would have thought possible..."
I thought he was being bitchy, but he might have been referring to how Mick took the divorce. I think Keith was gentlemanly in his assessment of her.
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Re: Bianca photo appreciation thread
Posted by:
mickijaggeroo
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Date: December 4, 2010 00:54
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mickschix
HB, you don't have to convince me of Bianca's beauty. He really should have stayed with her and spared himself the aggravation of all the others!!
Well, it´s not easy being a penis, you have a hole in your head, your next door neighbours are nuts, and when you are feeeling your best, you puke.
Vilhelm
[www.stonesvikings.com]
[www.stonesondecca.com]
Re: Bianca photo appreciation thread
Posted by:
hbwriter
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Date: December 4, 2010 02:41
sg2--no regrets!
Re: Bianca photo appreciation thread
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Date: December 4, 2010 02:47
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mickijaggeroo
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mickschix
HB, you don't have to convince me of Bianca's beauty. He really should have stayed with her and spared himself the aggravation of all the others!!
Well, it´s not easy being a penis, you have a hole in your head, your next door neighbours are nuts, and when you are feeeling your best, you puke.
ROFLMAO!!!!!
***********************************************************
"What I'm doing is a sexual thing. I dance and all dancing is a replacement for sex". - Mick Jagger
Re: Bianca photo appreciation thread
Posted by:
hbwriter
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Date: December 4, 2010 02:51
yes--that was very funny 
Re: Bianca photo appreciation thread
Posted by:
Turd On The Run
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Date: December 4, 2010 07:04
@stupidguy2:
I find your comments very interesting - the sort of amateur psycho-analysis (not meant derogatorily) you engage in demonstrates that you have spent quite a bit of time analyzing the information available to you...and your conclusions strike me as very accurate.
I had the opportunity to meet and socialize with Bianca Jagger as I was a frequent visitor to Studio 54 during my college years (late 70's) and even worked there after my University studies for one year as a bartender (enough stories for a book on that one). Ms. Jagger would sometimes come to my bar (Studio had several) and we would talk briefly - we were introduced by Steve Rubell and we spoke Spanish with each other...she was very dignified and glamorous (to be expected) and quite (surprisingly) serious. We had breakfast together a few times (after Studio closed for the night) and discussed life and politics (hers were obviously Leftist) and it seemed incongruous to me that such an obviously formidable woman would spend so much time in such trivial pursuit as the Studio Nightlife and the Rock Circus. She was a perfect Lady and would have fit in perfectly as an Ambassador's wife (or an Ambassador herself!) - such was the air of substance that she exuded - and she seemed somehow (at least in those days...a few years past the real Studio 54 heyday of 1977-78, and after her divorce from Jagger) bored with the scrutiny and tedious drama of being Mrs. Jagger...and relieved (or was it bittersweet regret?) that those times were past.
One last comment...during the years she was married with Jagger she was obviously what one would call a "high-maintenance" Diva and Drama Queen. Jagger is the same. That is a combustible combination making for a passionate and combative relationship...the kind that eventually burns out from accumulated resentments and interminable ego-battles...and both parties' stubbornness at not willing to take the back seat to the other...
...and I never understood how a woman who was seemed so dignified when I met her (not to claim that she was particularly brilliant) could have, a few years prior, sunk to being photographed in the White House in intimate poses with President Ford's idiot son while married to the biggest rock star in the world...that one was a hard one to understand...a shabby, tactless attempt at retribution (?) that only served to diminish and trivialize Bianca in many people's eyes...not the least Mick's...
"...you're a rag trade girl,
you're the Queen of Porn,
you're the easiest lay on the White House lawn.
Get outta my life, go @#$%& my wife, don't come back..."
I find your comments very interesting - the sort of amateur psycho-analysis (not meant derogatorily) you engage in demonstrates that you have spent quite a bit of time analyzing the information available to you...and your conclusions strike me as very accurate.
I had the opportunity to meet and socialize with Bianca Jagger as I was a frequent visitor to Studio 54 during my college years (late 70's) and even worked there after my University studies for one year as a bartender (enough stories for a book on that one). Ms. Jagger would sometimes come to my bar (Studio had several) and we would talk briefly - we were introduced by Steve Rubell and we spoke Spanish with each other...she was very dignified and glamorous (to be expected) and quite (surprisingly) serious. We had breakfast together a few times (after Studio closed for the night) and discussed life and politics (hers were obviously Leftist) and it seemed incongruous to me that such an obviously formidable woman would spend so much time in such trivial pursuit as the Studio Nightlife and the Rock Circus. She was a perfect Lady and would have fit in perfectly as an Ambassador's wife (or an Ambassador herself!) - such was the air of substance that she exuded - and she seemed somehow (at least in those days...a few years past the real Studio 54 heyday of 1977-78, and after her divorce from Jagger) bored with the scrutiny and tedious drama of being Mrs. Jagger...and relieved (or was it bittersweet regret?) that those times were past.
One last comment...during the years she was married with Jagger she was obviously what one would call a "high-maintenance" Diva and Drama Queen. Jagger is the same. That is a combustible combination making for a passionate and combative relationship...the kind that eventually burns out from accumulated resentments and interminable ego-battles...and both parties' stubbornness at not willing to take the back seat to the other...
...and I never understood how a woman who was seemed so dignified when I met her (not to claim that she was particularly brilliant) could have, a few years prior, sunk to being photographed in the White House in intimate poses with President Ford's idiot son while married to the biggest rock star in the world...that one was a hard one to understand...a shabby, tactless attempt at retribution (?) that only served to diminish and trivialize Bianca in many people's eyes...not the least Mick's...
"...you're a rag trade girl,
you're the Queen of Porn,
you're the easiest lay on the White House lawn.
Get outta my life, go @#$%& my wife, don't come back..."
Re: Bianca photo appreciation thread
Posted by:
Bliss
()
Date: December 4, 2010 08:10
Quote
Turd On The Run
@stupidguy2:
I find your comments very interesting - the sort of amateur psycho-analysis (not meant derogatorily) you engage in demonstrates that you have spent quite a bit of time analyzing the information available to you...and your conclusions strike me as very accurate.
I had the opportunity to meet and socialize with Bianca Jagger as I was a frequent visitor to Studio 54 during my college years (late 70's) and even worked there after my University studies for one year as a bartender (enough stories for a book on that one). Ms. Jagger would sometimes come to my bar (Studio had several) and we would talk briefly - we were introduced by Steve Rubell and we spoke Spanish with each other...she was very dignified and glamorous (to be expected) and quite (surprisingly) serious. We had breakfast together a few times (after Studio closed for the night) and discussed life and politics (hers were obviously Leftist) and it seemed incongruous to me that such an obviously formidable woman would spend so much time in such trivial pursuit as the Studio Nightlife and the Rock Circus. She was a perfect Lady and would have fit in perfectly as an Ambassador's wife (or an Ambassador herself!) - such was the air of substance that she exuded - and she seemed somehow (at least in those days...a few years past the real Studio 54 heyday of 1977-78, and after her divorce from Jagger) bored with the scrutiny and tedious drama of being Mrs. Jagger...and relieved (or was it bittersweet regret?) that those times were past.
One last comment...during the years she was married with Jagger she was obviously what one would call a "high-maintenance" Diva and Drama Queen. Jagger is the same. That is a combustible combination making for a passionate and combative relationship...the kind that eventually burns out from accumulated resentments and interminable ego-battles...and both parties' stubbornness at not willing to take the back seat to the other...
...and I never understood how a woman who was seemed so dignified when I met her (not to claim that she was particularly brilliant) could have, a few years prior, sunk to being photographed in the White House in intimate poses with President Ford's idiot son while married to the biggest rock star in the world...that one was a hard one to understand...a shabby, tactless attempt at retribution (?) that only served to diminish and trivialize Bianca in many people's eyes...not the least Mick's...
"...you're a rag trade girl,
you're the Queen of Porn,
you're the easiest lay on the White House lawn.
Get outta my life, go @#$%& my wife, don't come back..."
Great story! One of the reasons IORR is tops, members with real experiences to share, not just opinions.
Does anyone know anything about Bianca's personal life post-Mick? The only reference I could find was this one:
[en.wikipedia.org]
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-12-04 10:03 by Bliss.
Re: Bianca photo appreciation thread
Posted by:
swiss
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Date: December 4, 2010 11:26
Not a big Bianca fan...my hunch has been what TOTR says above. Mick and Bianca being narcissistic, beautiful people accustomed to being the object of other people's affection. Both seem prickly -- neither very warm.
As a couple they're not interesting to me at all. Both Mick and Bianca screwed around like cats, and didn't seem to like each other very much.
When I met Mick Jagger in July 1979 in the Hamptons he was alone--no Bianca, no Jerry, no woman. And he was in a foul mood. Many of the Studio 54 people were there: Halston, Liza Minelli, Barishnikov(sp), Truman Capote, etc etc etc...it was George Plimpton's party, so I'm not sure who Mick knew--who he went with. Point being: he was completely at home with that set, with or without Bianca.
Anyway...a few photos since it is a photo thread
Mick and Bianca in a cute, rare nonposed photo:
Bianca getting her dance on at Studio 54:
And the Jack Ford/Bianca "scandal"
Jul. 14, 1975 - TIME magazine
They met several weeks back, danced at a Manhattan discothèque, and he invited her to his home for a drink. With Husband Mick Jagger on the road with his Rolling Stones tour, Bianca Jagger, 30, last week took Jack Ford, 23, up on his invitation. Jack's home, of course, is the White House, and Bianca arrived with Artist Andy Warhol and plans for a Jack Ford story in Warhol's Interview magazine. "This must be the meeting of the Weird Washington Photo Club," joked the President's son nervously as Andy, Bianca and White House Photographer David Kennerly clicked away with their cameras. After cocktails on the South Balcony, Nicaraguan-born Bianca then accompanied Jack on a tour of the homestead. Though she dubbed her host "a super fellow," she was obviously just as impressed by the First Family's lifestyle. Said Bianca: "I want to be President."
Jack Ford: 'My Turn to Sacrifice' - TIME - Oct 20, 1975
[President Ford's son] Jack's return to the White House left him with a case of the intellectual bends. As a friend of David Kennedy, the President's ubiquitous young photographer, Jack met Andy Warhol and Bianca Jagger, and made his way onto the New York City pop-celebrity circuit. On one Manhattan jaunt, Jack, Bianca and Kennerly dropped in at Le Jardin, a discotheque frequented by gays and in-crowd types. Jack later told friends: "I was dancing with Bianca and a fellow came up to me and tapped me on the shoulder and said, 'May I dance?' I thought he wanted to dance with Bianca. He wanted to dance with me!"
- swiss
As a couple they're not interesting to me at all. Both Mick and Bianca screwed around like cats, and didn't seem to like each other very much.
When I met Mick Jagger in July 1979 in the Hamptons he was alone--no Bianca, no Jerry, no woman. And he was in a foul mood. Many of the Studio 54 people were there: Halston, Liza Minelli, Barishnikov(sp), Truman Capote, etc etc etc...it was George Plimpton's party, so I'm not sure who Mick knew--who he went with. Point being: he was completely at home with that set, with or without Bianca.
Anyway...a few photos since it is a photo thread
Mick and Bianca in a cute, rare nonposed photo:
Bianca getting her dance on at Studio 54:
And the Jack Ford/Bianca "scandal"
Jul. 14, 1975 - TIME magazine
They met several weeks back, danced at a Manhattan discothèque, and he invited her to his home for a drink. With Husband Mick Jagger on the road with his Rolling Stones tour, Bianca Jagger, 30, last week took Jack Ford, 23, up on his invitation. Jack's home, of course, is the White House, and Bianca arrived with Artist Andy Warhol and plans for a Jack Ford story in Warhol's Interview magazine. "This must be the meeting of the Weird Washington Photo Club," joked the President's son nervously as Andy, Bianca and White House Photographer David Kennerly clicked away with their cameras. After cocktails on the South Balcony, Nicaraguan-born Bianca then accompanied Jack on a tour of the homestead. Though she dubbed her host "a super fellow," she was obviously just as impressed by the First Family's lifestyle. Said Bianca: "I want to be President."
Jack Ford: 'My Turn to Sacrifice' - TIME - Oct 20, 1975
[President Ford's son] Jack's return to the White House left him with a case of the intellectual bends. As a friend of David Kennedy, the President's ubiquitous young photographer, Jack met Andy Warhol and Bianca Jagger, and made his way onto the New York City pop-celebrity circuit. On one Manhattan jaunt, Jack, Bianca and Kennerly dropped in at Le Jardin, a discotheque frequented by gays and in-crowd types. Jack later told friends: "I was dancing with Bianca and a fellow came up to me and tapped me on the shoulder and said, 'May I dance?' I thought he wanted to dance with Bianca. He wanted to dance with me!"
- swiss
Re: Bianca photo appreciation thread
Posted by:
stupidguy2
()
Date: December 6, 2010 23:38
Quote
Turd On The Run
@stupidguy2:
I find your comments very interesting - the sort of amateur psycho-analysis (not meant derogatorily) you engage in demonstrates that you have spent quite a bit of time analyzing the information available to you...and your conclusions strike me as very accurate.
I had the opportunity to meet and socialize with Bianca Jagger as I was a frequent visitor to Studio 54 during my college years (late 70's) and even worked there after my University studies for one year as a bartender (enough stories for a book on that one). Ms. Jagger would sometimes come to my bar (Studio had several) and we would talk briefly - we were introduced by Steve Rubell and we spoke Spanish with each other...she was very dignified and glamorous (to be expected) and quite (surprisingly) serious. We had breakfast together a few times (after Studio closed for the night) and discussed life and politics (hers were obviously Leftist) and it seemed incongruous to me that such an obviously formidable woman would spend so much time in such trivial pursuit as the Studio Nightlife and the Rock Circus. She was a perfect Lady and would have fit in perfectly as an Ambassador's wife (or an Ambassador herself!) - such was the air of substance that she exuded - and she seemed somehow (at least in those days...a few years past the real Studio 54 heyday of 1977-78, and after her divorce from Jagger) bored with the scrutiny and tedious drama of being Mrs. Jagger...and relieved (or was it bittersweet regret?) that those times were past.
One last comment...during the years she was married with Jagger she was obviously what one would call a "high-maintenance" Diva and Drama Queen. Jagger is the same. That is a combustible combination making for a passionate and combative relationship...the kind that eventually burns out from accumulated resentments and interminable ego-battles...and both parties' stubbornness at not willing to take the back seat to the other...
...and I never understood how a woman who was seemed so dignified when I met her (not to claim that she was particularly brilliant) could have, a few years prior, sunk to being photographed in the White House in intimate poses with President Ford's idiot son while married to the biggest rock star in the world...that one was a hard one to understand...a shabby, tactless attempt at retribution (?) that only served to diminish and trivialize Bianca in many people's eyes...not the least Mick's...
"...you're a rag trade girl,
you're the Queen of Porn,
you're the easiest lay on the White House lawn.
Get outta my life, go @#$%& my wife, don't come back..."
Excellent TOTR. You're posts about Bianca are fantastic and fascinating.
I don't know these people, nor have I met them, as some here have. I claim to be nothing but an amateur.... I was just a kid from Texas reading about them and listening to the music, watching the circus and making observations. But maybe that's the best vantage point, its purely from a "bystander's" observations.
And Swiss, your observations of the narcissism, prickly-ness are correct - that seems to have a personality trait in both which is what makes them most interesting to me, because those are the public perceptions based on their public personas, public appearances and outward behaviors, dramas etc... But my point has always been that the there seems to be something beyond that that remains private, in regard to both. They are both, apart from their more childish, adolescent episodes (the Ford visit and countless others). TOTR's rocollections of Bianca show a different side of her, betraying the more superficial aspects of her persona, particularly back then. She seemed to thrive on drama, friction when she was with MIck, maybe her own way of trying to overpower him and his ego. She seemed to be driven by insecurities and a need for attention back then, was probably as immature, self-absorbed as Mick, hence, why they seemed so combustable ie...'they never seemed to like each other...' I believe Shirley Arnold also said that. But that's black-and-white statement about two very complex people who stayed together for seven years and whom he never talks about to this day.
And Turd,, Mick always maintained that "Respectable" was a shot at the press, and I always took the anger in that song to be a reference about his situation with Bianca and her constantly accusing him of cheating he has implied as such......'Go @#$%& my wife...' is a pretty pissed-off diatribe, especially in the 78 live versions. He sounded angry, bitter....and hopeless. In this early Beast of Burden vocal, he sounds desparately in love with a woman whom he can't control or please. The original refrain is, "I'm still in love with you..." rather than "All I want is for you to make love with me.."
'I wanna live with her, she don't want to live with me....She don't understand, she tells me she don't think that Im the right kind of man...cannot help myself, I'm still in love with you....'
There is another version where the vocal is clearer (Some Other Girls)....but again, its a glimpse, a hint that there was more there.
Swiss,, there just seemed to be alot more going on than either publically showed. Sure, they were narcissistic, prickly, but perhaps they met their match in each other. Simply because they didn't hang all over in each in public and shower the other with public utterance of devotion....or partake in countless PDA moments....sometimes I think its the opposite of what appears to be. Still waters and that.
Turd, , you mentioned the incongruity of some Bianca's actions back then, her involvement of more trivial pursuits....
There is an interview with Bianca in Interview Magazine from 78. Warhol loved the trivial, and at that time, Bianca seemed to be caught up in some celebrity aspirations, wanting to act, taken seriously etc.....and for pages, Bianca went on in the interview about such, seeming no different than countless other rock star/movie star wives, girlfriends - but at some point, Bob Collacelo asked her about what was going on in Nicaragua and its civil unrest....this is when Bianca turns into something else, she becomes intelligent, passionate, serious etc....its like she was two people back then. Perhaps she struggled with her identity until her childhood passion for politics finally won out. Even now, when I read an interview, Its hard to connect this woman with the woman who seemed so shallow, frivolous. In the Parade magazine article I've mentioned, she acknowledges that she "earned some suspicion", regarding her "noteriety".
People who still see her as that same shallow person are denying that an individual can more than one thing. But its that dichotomy which makes her, them most fascinating to me.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2010-12-06 23:59 by stupidguy2.
Re: Bianca photo appreciation thread
Posted by:
stupidguy2
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Date: December 6, 2010 23:50
Quote
stupidguy2
Quote
Turd On The Run
@stupidguy2:
I find your comments very interesting - the sort of amateur psycho-analysis (not meant derogatorily) you engage in demonstrates that you have spent quite a bit of time analyzing the information available to you...and your conclusions strike me as very accurate.
Too much time....Ha!
but I also wonder if certain Neil Young songs are about Carrie Snodgrass or someone else, or if Tupelo Honey is Janet Planet etc....
or if Dylan is still singing about Sarah.
To me, it makes the music tangible and poignant.
If I believed Jagger when he says that his songs are not personal or about 'one particular thing...' then the music would seem shallow to me, and why Im not a Journey fan.
I'd also love to hear more of you obsersations...
Re: Bianca photo appreciation thread
Posted by:
hbwriter
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Date: December 7, 2010 00:17
turd - great stuff - this is an enjoyable thread to check in on -
Re: Bianca photo appreciation thread
Posted by:
angee
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Date: December 7, 2010 05:17
Yes, fascinating, much appreciated, all!
Re: Bianca photo appreciation thread
Posted by:
stupidguy2
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Date: December 7, 2010 06:35
[www.people.com]
HB posted a link to this thread elsewhere, but it contains some interesting comments from Mick about Bianca.
There is an interview conducted by Lisa Robinson in 77, during Mick and Bianca's separation, and Mick seemed surprisingly serious and solemn when speaking about the situation. This may have been because Robinson was a friend of both Mick and Bianca and he opened up a bit.
He implied that the separation was Bianca's idea, saying that she said she wanted to be "her own person" and he also suggested that divorce was not their intention. I remember a few revealing quotes, 'I guess its better for her, and I do have more freedon, but I don't really think of it that way..'
He also added, 'And she doesn't want a rich husband, no matter what the newspapers say..'
Robinson asked if he was in love with Jerry Hall, and he rolled his eyes and said, 'Cmon, Lisa, give me a break...'
Its interesting because there was no acrimony in his comments in this interview, so the final break had not come yet....I think the nastiness began with the divorce papers delivered during the 78 tour, which, according to Chet Flippo, Mick had been trying to dodge throughout....he also made a note of the fact that "Jagger had taken to wearing sunglasses.."
I found the Robinson column in an old Zest Magazine and have never been able to find it again. Robinson had a regular music column in New York mags and it was apparently syndicated...If anyone can locate this.... Maybe one day, Robinson will release a collection of her work....because it was a moment where Mick had his guard down just a bit.
People always mention "Respectable"..... in the Rolling Stone interview from 78, Mick said, 'My wife is a very honest person, so the song is not about her...'
Anybody remember that photo of Mick with the long beard, from Rolling Stone, 80? He looked like he had aged 10 years....if that doesn't hint at emotional turmoil... then I've totally misread the whole saga.
Edited 6 time(s). Last edit at 2010-12-07 06:53 by stupidguy2.
HB posted a link to this thread elsewhere, but it contains some interesting comments from Mick about Bianca.
There is an interview conducted by Lisa Robinson in 77, during Mick and Bianca's separation, and Mick seemed surprisingly serious and solemn when speaking about the situation. This may have been because Robinson was a friend of both Mick and Bianca and he opened up a bit.
He implied that the separation was Bianca's idea, saying that she said she wanted to be "her own person" and he also suggested that divorce was not their intention. I remember a few revealing quotes, 'I guess its better for her, and I do have more freedon, but I don't really think of it that way..'
He also added, 'And she doesn't want a rich husband, no matter what the newspapers say..'
Robinson asked if he was in love with Jerry Hall, and he rolled his eyes and said, 'Cmon, Lisa, give me a break...'
Its interesting because there was no acrimony in his comments in this interview, so the final break had not come yet....I think the nastiness began with the divorce papers delivered during the 78 tour, which, according to Chet Flippo, Mick had been trying to dodge throughout....he also made a note of the fact that "Jagger had taken to wearing sunglasses.."
I found the Robinson column in an old Zest Magazine and have never been able to find it again. Robinson had a regular music column in New York mags and it was apparently syndicated...If anyone can locate this.... Maybe one day, Robinson will release a collection of her work....because it was a moment where Mick had his guard down just a bit.
People always mention "Respectable"..... in the Rolling Stone interview from 78, Mick said, 'My wife is a very honest person, so the song is not about her...'
Anybody remember that photo of Mick with the long beard, from Rolling Stone, 80? He looked like he had aged 10 years....if that doesn't hint at emotional turmoil... then I've totally misread the whole saga.
Edited 6 time(s). Last edit at 2010-12-07 06:53 by stupidguy2.
Re: Bianca photo appreciation thread
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Title5Take1
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Date: December 7, 2010 09:20
On the set of THE BATTLE OF BRITAIN when she was dating Michael Caine.
Re: Bianca photo appreciation thread
Posted by:
Anonymous User
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Date: December 7, 2010 17:03
that's a nice photo !!!!!!Quote
Title5Take1
On the set of THE BATTLE OF BRITAIN when she was dating Michael Caine.
Re: Bianca photo appreciation thread
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stupidguy2
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Date: December 9, 2010 02:10
Thanks EG,
I didn't realize that that just happened today or yesterday...
[www.lagaleriedelinstant.com]
I didn't realize that that just happened today or yesterday...
[www.lagaleriedelinstant.com]
Re: Bianca photo appreciation thread
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Doc
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Date: December 9, 2010 15:36
These are my faves :
Both between classy and sexy
[doctorstonesblog.blogspot.com]
[www.DoctorStones.net]
Both between classy and sexy
[doctorstonesblog.blogspot.com]
[www.DoctorStones.net]
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