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No, it's 01 Mar 2008 article, but it was in "related articles" in 06th November 2010 article by By Jenny McCartney
Keith Richards's exile on moan street
The Rolling Stone's autobiography shows what Mick Jagger has to put up with, says Jenny McCartney.
Keith Richards has had a couple of snide things to say about Mick Jagger in his new autobiography
Keith Richards said last week that his recent autobiography, which included some uncomplimentary remarks about his bandmate Mick Jagger, had not adversely affected their relationship. I wonder: I expect Sir Mick – who has described the book, with stylish understatement, as “a bit bitchy here and there” – has simply grown used to shrugging his shoulders at Keith’s “jokey” insults, while quietly remembering not to tell him anything that actually matters.
Before the book, many people imagined that “Keef” was the laid-back Stone, the effortless, eternal rebel, while Mick was the uptight, driven one who cared about cricket and knighthoods. The tension has obviously been ticking on for years: in Shine a Light, Martin Scorsese’s Stones documentary, you can see Keith and Ronnie Wood, like two wicked, emaciated crows, exchanging conspiratorial glances of mockery while Mick gives the performance his all up front.
I was rather surprised, however, that Keith made his “Her Majesty” and “tiny todger” jibes so public: it’s a bit like that moment when, after years of saying of a couple, “I wonder how easygoing Betty puts up with domineering old Bill”, a few snide remarks one lunchtime suggest that Betty isn’t quite as straightforward as you might think. It’s evident that Keith cares – just a little too much – about denting Mick’s public image. And somehow, that’s not quite as cool as he’d like us to think he is.
<<< No, it's 01 Mar 2008 article, but it was in "related articles" in 06th November 2010 article by By Jenny McCartney >>>
OK, thanks for the correction
[ I want to shout, but I can't hardly speak ]
"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"
I enjoyed the reading,proudmary !Thanks .
To be honest, I always have had a high regard on Jagger (hey,don't misunderstand me please,I am not talking about his good looking
)
It's my opinion ,and since English isn't my 1st langage , I wouldn't want to sound offensive .
BUT when I read :
'Thank God I'm awake,' and wait for three or four hours before I do anything.
it comes to my mind that the man who says this is just a lazy one .Or so he wants us to still believe to a myth ....
I've never met
Jagger in person, so I don't know how it is to WORK with him ,but I must say I am a bit upset .What gives Keith the right to judge "THE MAN " ,that is to say Jagger,who pulled the band like an engine/ a locomotive ????
I am just asking ,you know ....
I am a Frenchie ,as Mick affectionately called them in the Old Grey Whistle Test in 1977 .
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Keith needs Mick to stay cool
Posted by:
proudmary
()
Date: November 10, 2010 11:28
old but funny article
Keith needs Mick to stay cool
By Craig Brown 12:01AM GMT 01 Mar 2008
Are you a Mick or a Keith? In my experience, middle-aged men who like to think they are cool prefer to see themselves as Keith Richards, not Mick Jagger.
Even if, in real life, these men are high-powered bankers or fast-talking media moguls, in their fantasy lives they like to think of themselves as cool and sluggish rather than uptight and eager. I suspect it all goes back to their school days, when nothing could be worse than to be considered "keen".
Now aged 64, Keith Richards still likes to sneer at Mick Jagger for excessive keenness. "Mick's a maniac," he told the magazine Uncut this week. "He can't get up in the morning without knowing immediately who he's going to call. Meanwhile, I just go, 'Thank God I'm awake,' and wait for three or four hours before I do anything. He is a power freak and there's nothing we can do about it. Let him bugger about. It doesn't make any difference to what we do."
This is the sort of thing that Keith has been saying about Mick for most of their lives, often recycling the same old words. He is nothing if not repetitive. "Me, I wake up, praise the Lord, then make sure all the phones are turned off," Keith said in an interview three years ago, adding: "Mick has to get up in the morning with a plan."
Sometimes, it seems that Keith can only define himself as a sort of reverse version of Mick: Mick is insufferably busy, vain, restless, bourgeois, aspirational, so Keith - good old Keith - is laid back, unambitious, naughty, grounded, cool. Forty years ago, Mick and Keith filled in Proust questionnaires for a magazine called Rave, now sadly defunct. I have a copy in front of me. Their answers look like blueprints for the future. To the question, "Who are your favourite heroes in real life?" Mick answered "Dukes", while Keith answered, "The Great Train Robbers".
Unfortunately, even the coolest dudes have mothers, and mothers are notorious for remembering just that little bit too much. "Keith was very chubby," his mother, Doris once chuckled to a reporter. "He was squat, had fat little legs and always seemed to have a cold."
But by the time Keith was 18, he was already achieving a certain measure of cool, albeit within strict financial parameters. For instance, he spent the long, cold winter of 1962-63 lying in bed, gobbing at a makeshift target on the wall.
Mick would not have approved: he always took a pride in his appearance, and liked things neat and tidy. Meanwhile, Keith preferred to throw dirty saucepans out of the window rather than wash them. As early as 1961, he had acquired the nickname Mr Unhealthy. He has always liked fast cars, but has never had the organisational skills necessary for a smooth drive. When he owned a vintage Mercedes, he was so put out by the presence of gears that he used to start it, judderingly, in third gear, and keep it there throughout each trip.
I suppose this all adds up to some sort of study in cool, but where on earth would Keith be without Mick? It is hard to imagine that he would have been able to afford a vintage Mercedes, with or without gears. Without the over-energetic Mick leaping out of bed every morning armed with a new plan, I fear Keith would still be lying in that bed, still gobbing at the wall.
Over the age of 30, there is a thin line dividing Cool from Sad, and that line is provided by wealth. Keith Richards remains the King of Cool largely because he is a multi-millionaire. If he had, by chance, ended up as the lead guitarist with, say, The Swinging Blue Jeans, and he was at present on a Sixties Revival Tour, I doubt we would now be so full of admiration for his funny little laid-back ways.
The continuing success of The Rolling Stones can be put down to Mick Jagger's eagerness to make phone calls, to his shrewd and hopelessly uncool business sense. By my calculation, the last time the Rolling Stones had a top ten hit was with Start Me Up, which reached Number 7 in the charts in August 1981.
In that same year, he managed to persuade the group to accept corporate sponsorship for their world tour, from the cosmetics group Jovan. At the time, this seemed outlandishly un-rock'n'roll, but it is now par for the course: these days, most major rock groups seem to be far more into developing their property portfolios than they are into sex, or drugs, or even rock 'n' roll.
Jagger's astute business sense ensured that, in some paradoxical way, the fewer hits they had, the more the money came in. The Rolling Stones Voodoo Lounge tour of 1994-5 earned them $320 million, and remains the largest-grossing rock concert tour. Their Forty Licks tour in 2002-3 earned them $300 million, and is the second-largest grossing tour ever.
Walter Yetnikoff, the former chairman of CBS Records, once observed quite how impressive Jagger could be as a negotiator. "In his head, he figured out what the French royalty would be on a record, doing the conversion and taking off the tax," he said, confessing, "I can't do that without my royalty guide."
According to one of his biographers, after one American tour, Jagger flew straight from New York to Switzerland with $1.2 million to deposit straight into a numbered account.
The Rolling Stones' last world tour was sponsored by the mortgage company Ameriquest. "The Rolling Stones offer a great platform to communicate our brand as proud sponsors of the American dream," explained a delighted spokesman.
Meanwhile, all Keith Richards has to do is pick up his guitar every four or five years, play cool, and poke fun, in his rambling, repetitive way, at the man who has made it all possible.
Asked last week about Jagger's powerful on-stage presence, he scoffed: "Excuse me while I laugh. He's a bit vain, let's put it like that. Meanwhile, the band can go to work. Vanity will not carry a band. But a band can carry vanity."
There is something increasingly reminiscent of Steptoe and Son about Richards and Jagger, with Keith resembling the raddled old Albert Steptoe, forever grumbling about young Harold's frantic desire to improve himself.
But it is Young Mick who keeps the show on the road; without him, Keith would have lost all claims to coolness. Instead, he would be just another wheezy old man, experiencing trouble with his gears.
[www.telegraph.co.uk]
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2010-11-10 12:08 by proudmary.
Keith needs Mick to stay cool
By Craig Brown 12:01AM GMT 01 Mar 2008
Are you a Mick or a Keith? In my experience, middle-aged men who like to think they are cool prefer to see themselves as Keith Richards, not Mick Jagger.
Even if, in real life, these men are high-powered bankers or fast-talking media moguls, in their fantasy lives they like to think of themselves as cool and sluggish rather than uptight and eager. I suspect it all goes back to their school days, when nothing could be worse than to be considered "keen".
Now aged 64, Keith Richards still likes to sneer at Mick Jagger for excessive keenness. "Mick's a maniac," he told the magazine Uncut this week. "He can't get up in the morning without knowing immediately who he's going to call. Meanwhile, I just go, 'Thank God I'm awake,' and wait for three or four hours before I do anything. He is a power freak and there's nothing we can do about it. Let him bugger about. It doesn't make any difference to what we do."
This is the sort of thing that Keith has been saying about Mick for most of their lives, often recycling the same old words. He is nothing if not repetitive. "Me, I wake up, praise the Lord, then make sure all the phones are turned off," Keith said in an interview three years ago, adding: "Mick has to get up in the morning with a plan."
Sometimes, it seems that Keith can only define himself as a sort of reverse version of Mick: Mick is insufferably busy, vain, restless, bourgeois, aspirational, so Keith - good old Keith - is laid back, unambitious, naughty, grounded, cool. Forty years ago, Mick and Keith filled in Proust questionnaires for a magazine called Rave, now sadly defunct. I have a copy in front of me. Their answers look like blueprints for the future. To the question, "Who are your favourite heroes in real life?" Mick answered "Dukes", while Keith answered, "The Great Train Robbers".
Unfortunately, even the coolest dudes have mothers, and mothers are notorious for remembering just that little bit too much. "Keith was very chubby," his mother, Doris once chuckled to a reporter. "He was squat, had fat little legs and always seemed to have a cold."
But by the time Keith was 18, he was already achieving a certain measure of cool, albeit within strict financial parameters. For instance, he spent the long, cold winter of 1962-63 lying in bed, gobbing at a makeshift target on the wall.
Mick would not have approved: he always took a pride in his appearance, and liked things neat and tidy. Meanwhile, Keith preferred to throw dirty saucepans out of the window rather than wash them. As early as 1961, he had acquired the nickname Mr Unhealthy. He has always liked fast cars, but has never had the organisational skills necessary for a smooth drive. When he owned a vintage Mercedes, he was so put out by the presence of gears that he used to start it, judderingly, in third gear, and keep it there throughout each trip.
I suppose this all adds up to some sort of study in cool, but where on earth would Keith be without Mick? It is hard to imagine that he would have been able to afford a vintage Mercedes, with or without gears. Without the over-energetic Mick leaping out of bed every morning armed with a new plan, I fear Keith would still be lying in that bed, still gobbing at the wall.
Over the age of 30, there is a thin line dividing Cool from Sad, and that line is provided by wealth. Keith Richards remains the King of Cool largely because he is a multi-millionaire. If he had, by chance, ended up as the lead guitarist with, say, The Swinging Blue Jeans, and he was at present on a Sixties Revival Tour, I doubt we would now be so full of admiration for his funny little laid-back ways.
The continuing success of The Rolling Stones can be put down to Mick Jagger's eagerness to make phone calls, to his shrewd and hopelessly uncool business sense. By my calculation, the last time the Rolling Stones had a top ten hit was with Start Me Up, which reached Number 7 in the charts in August 1981.
In that same year, he managed to persuade the group to accept corporate sponsorship for their world tour, from the cosmetics group Jovan. At the time, this seemed outlandishly un-rock'n'roll, but it is now par for the course: these days, most major rock groups seem to be far more into developing their property portfolios than they are into sex, or drugs, or even rock 'n' roll.
Jagger's astute business sense ensured that, in some paradoxical way, the fewer hits they had, the more the money came in. The Rolling Stones Voodoo Lounge tour of 1994-5 earned them $320 million, and remains the largest-grossing rock concert tour. Their Forty Licks tour in 2002-3 earned them $300 million, and is the second-largest grossing tour ever.
Walter Yetnikoff, the former chairman of CBS Records, once observed quite how impressive Jagger could be as a negotiator. "In his head, he figured out what the French royalty would be on a record, doing the conversion and taking off the tax," he said, confessing, "I can't do that without my royalty guide."
According to one of his biographers, after one American tour, Jagger flew straight from New York to Switzerland with $1.2 million to deposit straight into a numbered account.
The Rolling Stones' last world tour was sponsored by the mortgage company Ameriquest. "The Rolling Stones offer a great platform to communicate our brand as proud sponsors of the American dream," explained a delighted spokesman.
Meanwhile, all Keith Richards has to do is pick up his guitar every four or five years, play cool, and poke fun, in his rambling, repetitive way, at the man who has made it all possible.
Asked last week about Jagger's powerful on-stage presence, he scoffed: "Excuse me while I laugh. He's a bit vain, let's put it like that. Meanwhile, the band can go to work. Vanity will not carry a band. But a band can carry vanity."
There is something increasingly reminiscent of Steptoe and Son about Richards and Jagger, with Keith resembling the raddled old Albert Steptoe, forever grumbling about young Harold's frantic desire to improve himself.
But it is Young Mick who keeps the show on the road; without him, Keith would have lost all claims to coolness. Instead, he would be just another wheezy old man, experiencing trouble with his gears.
[www.telegraph.co.uk]
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2010-11-10 12:08 by proudmary.
Re: Keith needs Mick to stay cool
Posted by:
paulywaul
()
Date: November 10, 2010 11:40
<<< Now aged 64, Keith Richards >>>
Hmm ... that doesn't quite fit with someone born on 18 December 1943.
A bit more research please, Mr Craig Brown of the Daily Telegraph !!
[ I want to shout, but I can't hardly speak ]
Hmm ... that doesn't quite fit with someone born on 18 December 1943.
A bit more research please, Mr Craig Brown of the Daily Telegraph !!
[ I want to shout, but I can't hardly speak ]
Re: Keith needs Mick to stay cool
Posted by:
paulywaul
()
Date: November 10, 2010 13:04
Quote
DandelionPowderman
Old article?
Nope - 10th November 2010 article
[ I want to shout, but I can't hardly speak ]
Re: Keith needs Mick to stay cool
Posted by:
proudmary
()
Date: November 10, 2010 13:12
Quote
paulywaul
Quote
DandelionPowderman
Old article?
Nope - 10th November 2010 article
No, it's 01 Mar 2008 article, but it was in "related articles" in 06th November 2010 article by By Jenny McCartney
Keith Richards's exile on moan street
The Rolling Stone's autobiography shows what Mick Jagger has to put up with, says Jenny McCartney.
Keith Richards has had a couple of snide things to say about Mick Jagger in his new autobiography
Keith Richards said last week that his recent autobiography, which included some uncomplimentary remarks about his bandmate Mick Jagger, had not adversely affected their relationship. I wonder: I expect Sir Mick – who has described the book, with stylish understatement, as “a bit bitchy here and there” – has simply grown used to shrugging his shoulders at Keith’s “jokey” insults, while quietly remembering not to tell him anything that actually matters.
Before the book, many people imagined that “Keef” was the laid-back Stone, the effortless, eternal rebel, while Mick was the uptight, driven one who cared about cricket and knighthoods. The tension has obviously been ticking on for years: in Shine a Light, Martin Scorsese’s Stones documentary, you can see Keith and Ronnie Wood, like two wicked, emaciated crows, exchanging conspiratorial glances of mockery while Mick gives the performance his all up front.
I was rather surprised, however, that Keith made his “Her Majesty” and “tiny todger” jibes so public: it’s a bit like that moment when, after years of saying of a couple, “I wonder how easygoing Betty puts up with domineering old Bill”, a few snide remarks one lunchtime suggest that Betty isn’t quite as straightforward as you might think. It’s evident that Keith cares – just a little too much – about denting Mick’s public image. And somehow, that’s not quite as cool as he’d like us to think he is.
Re: Keith needs Mick to stay cool
Posted by:
kingkirby
()
Date: November 10, 2010 14:20
"There is something increasingly reminiscent of Steptoe and Son about Richards and Jagger, with Keith resembling the raddled old Albert Steptoe, forever grumbling about young Harold's frantic desire to improve himself."
That's quite funny...
That's quite funny...
Re: Keith needs Mick to stay cool
Posted by:
Bliss
()
Date: November 10, 2010 15:03
What I just do not get is how an editor didn't rein Keith in. Keith has done nothing but harm to himself and the Stones with his sneering insults to Mick. Mick is not 'the man we love to hate'. He may not be the warmest guy on the planet, but most people do not want to see his reputation trashed, at least not the people ho would be interested in Keith's memoirs. Keith's insults have not made the book better in any way, and they have certainly generated a huge backlash against him, which is surely not what he intended.
Re: Keith needs Mick to stay cool
Posted by:
paulywaul
()
Date: November 10, 2010 15:23
Quote
proudmary
Quote
paulywaul
Quote
DandelionPowderman
Old article?
Nope - 10th November 2010 article
No, it's 01 Mar 2008 article, but it was in "related articles" in 06th November 2010 article by By Jenny McCartney
Keith Richards's exile on moan street
The Rolling Stone's autobiography shows what Mick Jagger has to put up with, says Jenny McCartney.
Keith Richards has had a couple of snide things to say about Mick Jagger in his new autobiography
Keith Richards said last week that his recent autobiography, which included some uncomplimentary remarks about his bandmate Mick Jagger, had not adversely affected their relationship. I wonder: I expect Sir Mick – who has described the book, with stylish understatement, as “a bit bitchy here and there” – has simply grown used to shrugging his shoulders at Keith’s “jokey” insults, while quietly remembering not to tell him anything that actually matters.
Before the book, many people imagined that “Keef” was the laid-back Stone, the effortless, eternal rebel, while Mick was the uptight, driven one who cared about cricket and knighthoods. The tension has obviously been ticking on for years: in Shine a Light, Martin Scorsese’s Stones documentary, you can see Keith and Ronnie Wood, like two wicked, emaciated crows, exchanging conspiratorial glances of mockery while Mick gives the performance his all up front.
I was rather surprised, however, that Keith made his “Her Majesty” and “tiny todger” jibes so public: it’s a bit like that moment when, after years of saying of a couple, “I wonder how easygoing Betty puts up with domineering old Bill”, a few snide remarks one lunchtime suggest that Betty isn’t quite as straightforward as you might think. It’s evident that Keith cares – just a little too much – about denting Mick’s public image. And somehow, that’s not quite as cool as he’d like us to think he is.
<<< No, it's 01 Mar 2008 article, but it was in "related articles" in 06th November 2010 article by By Jenny McCartney >>>
OK, thanks for the correction
[ I want to shout, but I can't hardly speak ]
Re: Keith needs Mick to stay cool
Posted by:
Deltics
()
Date: November 10, 2010 15:46
Quote
kingkirby
"There is something increasingly reminiscent of Steptoe and Son about Richards and Jagger, with Keith resembling the raddled old Albert Steptoe, forever grumbling about young Harold's frantic desire to improve himself."
That's quite funny...
"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"
Re: Keith needs Mick to stay cool
Posted by:
skipstone
()
Date: November 10, 2010 16:20
That's what is so funny about Keith running his mouth at/about Mick - Mick more or less ignores Keith and doesn't say anything to him. Just lets the ass be an ass and continue to get bigger.
Re: Keith needs Mick to stay cool
Posted by:
kingkirby
()
Date: November 10, 2010 18:19
Ah, the lovely Ms Lumley... She went out with Rod Stewart - that man always knew how to pick 'em...
Re: Keith needs Mick to stay cool
Posted by:
SwayStones
()
Date: November 10, 2010 19:27
Quote
proudmary
old but funny article
Keith needs Mick to stay cool
By Craig Brown 12:01AM GMT 01 Mar 2008
.Now aged 64, Keith Richards still likes to sneer at Mick Jagger for excessive keenness. "Mick's a maniac," he told the magazine Uncut this week. "He can't get up in the morning without knowing immediately who he's going to call. Meanwhile, I just go, 'Thank God I'm awake,' and wait for three or four hours before I do anything. He is a power freak and there's nothing we can do about it. Let him bugger about. It doesn't make any difference to what we do."
.[www.telegraph.co.uk]
I enjoyed the reading,proudmary !Thanks .
To be honest, I always have had a high regard on Jagger (hey,don't misunderstand me please,I am not talking about his good looking
)It's my opinion ,and since English isn't my 1st langage , I wouldn't want to sound offensive .
BUT when I read :
'Thank God I'm awake,' and wait for three or four hours before I do anything.
it comes to my mind that the man who says this is just a lazy one .Or so he wants us to still believe to a myth ....
I've never met
Jagger in person, so I don't know how it is to WORK with him ,but I must say I am a bit upset .What gives Keith the right to judge "THE MAN " ,that is to say Jagger,who pulled the band like an engine/ a locomotive ????I am just asking ,you know ....
I am a Frenchie ,as Mick affectionately called them in the Old Grey Whistle Test in 1977 .
Re: Keith needs Mick to stay cool
Posted by:
stupidguy2
()
Date: November 11, 2010 03:07
Old article?[/quote]
it’s a bit like that moment when, after years of saying of a couple, “I wonder how easygoing Betty puts up with domineering old Bill”, a few snide remarks one lunchtime suggest that Betty isn’t quite as straightforward as you might think. It’s evident that Keith cares – just a little too much – about denting Mick’s public image. And somehow, that’s not quite as cool as he’d like us to think he is.[/quote]
That's hilarious.
it’s a bit like that moment when, after years of saying of a couple, “I wonder how easygoing Betty puts up with domineering old Bill”, a few snide remarks one lunchtime suggest that Betty isn’t quite as straightforward as you might think. It’s evident that Keith cares – just a little too much – about denting Mick’s public image. And somehow, that’s not quite as cool as he’d like us to think he is.[/quote]
That's hilarious.
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