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Yep,I mentioned that 10 posts ago.
I think it was His Majesty whom had a quote from a guy in a band (I know, that's vague, but I totally forgot the respective names) who recorded in a room next to the big room of Olympic. This guy mentioned specifically that he listened in many times on the Stones recording tracks, and he specifically remembered the Stones playing CYHMK for two days in a row.
I do believe the second part of the song was developed during one of the jams, that they originally only intended the song to be the first part. But the released version is much too rehearsed to be spontaneous. Listen to the way the guitars sound -Richards goes from fuzzy, trebly distortion to warm, jazzy and reverb drenched. Taylor (if that is Taylor in the first part at all, which I really doubt) goes from a clean and dry, Telecaster country sound to a warm, ES-355 neck pickup sound, and suddenly he has a tape echo unit running.
Mathijs
I think Taylor is playing upstroke as well on yaya's , DP, but sure one can "smell" it's Taylor from a mile's distant.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-09-14 17:25 by Amsterdamned.
of course its taylor.
it is a rehearsed session
the only thing i can say is that someone ( jagger ? ) shouts HEY after taylors first notes in the solo . maybe thats where the rumour comes fom , but the only one to drop out there is bobby keys all others are still going. bobby does start playing again though.
also keith is plainly heard to "practice " the end riff before it starts.
by any standards a superb song from start to finish .
I still wonder how to interpret Richard's and Taylor's statement it was spontaneous. They are talking poppycock according to most people here.
its been said they rehearsed / recorded brown sugar for a whole day,, so maybe they did that with this song as well and it progressed to what we have now.
maybe the first ( few ) times they recorded it there was no exended instrumental , and they added it at some point during the last few times .
Waf! Spontanose!!
sorry, but whatever they say, it´s impossible to be a jam.
To be honest I don't believe half of what they say.
If there ever was one clean, structured Stones "jam" here it is . .
And just like Mick, I can't be bothered to remember it all.
And just like Keith, I'm not willing to get things correct because, dude, it's all about the motherfucking MYTH dude!
Talk about your favorite band.
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Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
skipstone
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Date: September 14, 2010 04:57
Don't y'all know? Muddy was painting the bathroom ceiling while they recorded this spontaneous jam!
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
Anonymous User
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Date: September 14, 2010 11:12
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More Hot Rocks
Listen to the assending lick on the outro. Everybody is playing the same notes. That means it was rehearsed.
Yep,I mentioned that 10 posts ago.
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
Mathijs
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Date: September 14, 2010 11:51
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AmsterdamnedQuote
More Hot Rocks
Listen to the assending lick on the outro. Everybody is playing the same notes. That means it was rehearsed.
Yep,I mentioned that 10 posts ago.
I think it was His Majesty whom had a quote from a guy in a band (I know, that's vague, but I totally forgot the respective names) who recorded in a room next to the big room of Olympic. This guy mentioned specifically that he listened in many times on the Stones recording tracks, and he specifically remembered the Stones playing CYHMK for two days in a row.
I do believe the second part of the song was developed during one of the jams, that they originally only intended the song to be the first part. But the released version is much too rehearsed to be spontaneous. Listen to the way the guitars sound -Richards goes from fuzzy, trebly distortion to warm, jazzy and reverb drenched. Taylor (if that is Taylor in the first part at all, which I really doubt) goes from a clean and dry, Telecaster country sound to a warm, ES-355 neck pickup sound, and suddenly he has a tape echo unit running.
Mathijs
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
dcba
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Date: September 14, 2010 11:58
What we hear on SF could be taken from a 3 hrs long rehearsal with stops and starts, pauses, visits to the control room to hear playbacks, return to the recording room...
So yes it's improvised but if you work on musical theme for an entire afternoon, is it still an improvisation?
So yes it's improvised but if you work on musical theme for an entire afternoon, is it still an improvisation?
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
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Date: September 14, 2010 12:07
<and he specifically remembered the Stones playing CYHMK for two days in a row.>
Lot's of strong coffee!
Lot's of strong coffee!
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
WeLoveYou
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Date: September 14, 2010 13:32
Just to reiterate what I said above - I'm starting to believe the extended jam was spontaneous, but it has had a few overdubs here and there (eg. to construct the coordinated finish). This would explain why the Stones say it was spontaneous..because it was..and this would definately stick in their minds. MJ may have played a bit of percussion but the main percussion could have been overdubbed. The many rehearsals mentioned above could have been for the main song, not for the jam part.
Mathijs - the various reverbs can be added during mixdown, they didn't need to be there during recording. I think MT went from bridge pickup with guitar volume low in the first part of the song to neck pickup with volume high later on, plus he could have adjusted his amp. The clean bridge pickup sound in my experience is a bit like a Gibson SG bridge pickup, which suggests a Gibson bridge pickup...in this case the 335 guitar. I also think that it's definately MT playing rhythm panned left at the start, it's not KR's style at all. The clean strumming is a bit like MT during the middle of SFTD at Altamont, the bit where the song breaks down and then restarts again following MT's strumming.
Mathijs - the various reverbs can be added during mixdown, they didn't need to be there during recording. I think MT went from bridge pickup with guitar volume low in the first part of the song to neck pickup with volume high later on, plus he could have adjusted his amp. The clean bridge pickup sound in my experience is a bit like a Gibson SG bridge pickup, which suggests a Gibson bridge pickup...in this case the 335 guitar. I also think that it's definately MT playing rhythm panned left at the start, it's not KR's style at all. The clean strumming is a bit like MT during the middle of SFTD at Altamont, the bit where the song breaks down and then restarts again following MT's strumming.
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
Anonymous User
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Date: September 14, 2010 16:25
Agree more or less.
Imo it's a spontaneous jam,with some editing ,overdubs etc afterwards.
The technical details don't make me any wiser on this subject.
It'MT for sure,the rhythm guitar,same feeling as Taylor did on STFD ,GYYO.
Or is it Jagger? I doubt it.
Imo it's a spontaneous jam,with some editing ,overdubs etc afterwards.
The technical details don't make me any wiser on this subject.
It'MT for sure,the rhythm guitar,same feeling as Taylor did on STFD ,GYYO.
Or is it Jagger? I doubt it.
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: September 14, 2010 16:49
This one is way more funky than the simple downstroke rhythm on SFTD (Ya Ya's). At least the strategically placed strumming is more effective, imo.
Still, I think the rhythm guitar is played by Taylor. Too straight to be Keith.
Still, I think the rhythm guitar is played by Taylor. Too straight to be Keith.
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
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Date: September 14, 2010 17:12
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DandelionPowderman
This one is way more funky than the simple downstroke rhythm on SFTD (Ya Ya's). At least the strategically placed strumming is more effective, imo.
Still, I think the rhythm guitar is played by Taylor. Too straight to be Keith.
I think Taylor is playing upstroke as well on yaya's , DP, but sure one can "smell" it's Taylor from a mile's distant.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-09-14 17:25 by Amsterdamned.
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
Koen
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Date: September 14, 2010 17:16
Most likely, the jam indeed started spontaneuous after one take for the first part of the song. Then they liked it so much, that they structured it a bit and decided to add it.
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
straycatblues73
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Date: September 14, 2010 17:23
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AmsterdamnedQuote
DandelionPowderman
This one is way more funky than the simple downstroke rhythm on SFTD (Ya Ya's). At least the strategically placed strumming is more effective, imo.
Still, I think the rhythm guitar is played by Taylor. Too straight to be Keith.
Sure, but one can "smell" it's Taylor from a mile's distant.
of course its taylor.
it is a rehearsed session
the only thing i can say is that someone ( jagger ? ) shouts HEY after taylors first notes in the solo . maybe thats where the rumour comes fom , but the only one to drop out there is bobby keys all others are still going. bobby does start playing again though.
also keith is plainly heard to "practice " the end riff before it starts.
by any standards a superb song from start to finish .
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
Anonymous User
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Date: September 14, 2010 17:31
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straycatblues73Quote
AmsterdamnedQuote
DandelionPowderman
This one is way more funky than the simple downstroke rhythm on SFTD (Ya Ya's). At least the strategically placed strumming is more effective, imo.
Still, I think the rhythm guitar is played by Taylor. Too straight to be Keith.
Sure, but one can "smell" it's Taylor from a mile's distant.
of course its taylor.
it is a rehearsed session
the only thing i can say is that someone ( jagger ? ) shouts HEY after taylors first notes in the solo . maybe thats where the rumour comes fom , but the only one to drop out there is bobby keys all others are still going. bobby does start playing again though.
also keith is plainly heard to "practice " the end riff before it starts.
by any standards a superb song from start to finish .
I still wonder how to interpret Richard's and Taylor's statement it was spontaneous. They are talking poppycock according to most people here.
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
straycatblues73
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Date: September 14, 2010 17:41
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AmsterdamnedQuote
straycatblues73Quote
AmsterdamnedQuote
DandelionPowderman
This one is way more funky than the simple downstroke rhythm on SFTD (Ya Ya's). At least the strategically placed strumming is more effective, imo.
Still, I think the rhythm guitar is played by Taylor. Too straight to be Keith.
Sure, but one can "smell" it's Taylor from a mile's distant.
of course its taylor.
it is a rehearsed session
the only thing i can say is that someone ( jagger ? ) shouts HEY after taylors first notes in the solo . maybe thats where the rumour comes fom , but the only one to drop out there is bobby keys all others are still going. bobby does start playing again though.
also keith is plainly heard to "practice " the end riff before it starts.
by any standards a superb song from start to finish .
I still wonder how to interpret Richard's and Taylor's statement it was spontaneous. They are talking poppycock according to most people here.
its been said they rehearsed / recorded brown sugar for a whole day,, so maybe they did that with this song as well and it progressed to what we have now.
maybe the first ( few ) times they recorded it there was no exended instrumental , and they added it at some point during the last few times .
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
sweetcharmedlife
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Date: September 14, 2010 18:48
Maybe it was spontaneously rehearsed.
"It's just some friends of mine and they're busting down the door"
"It's just some friends of mine and they're busting down the door"
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
skipstone
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Date: September 14, 2010 20:19
Jagger shouts YEAH, not HEY.
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
stoneswashed77
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Date: September 14, 2010 21:07
if this was spontaneus, i give up!
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
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Date: September 14, 2010 21:24
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stoneswashed77
if this was spontaneus, i give up!
Waf! Spontanose!!
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
mtaylor
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Date: September 14, 2010 21:38
It is funny how people on this board know better than the Stones themself.
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
Anonymous User
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Date: September 14, 2010 21:39
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mtaylor
It is funny how people on this board know better than the Stones themself.
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
stoneswashed77
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Date: September 14, 2010 21:50
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mtaylor
It is funny how people on this board know better than the Stones themself.
sorry, but whatever they say, it´s impossible to be a jam.
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
Anonymous User
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Date: September 14, 2010 21:55
The second part is no free jazz but just an easy-stoned mellow latin feel- jam.
The stones could do that.
Go and hear a jazzband..you'll be amazed what happens during a jam.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-09-14 22:13 by Amsterdamned.
The stones could do that.
Go and hear a jazzband..you'll be amazed what happens during a jam.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-09-14 22:13 by Amsterdamned.
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
dcba
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Date: September 14, 2010 22:13
Tarlé once said that during his stay at Nellcote he heard TDice being rehearsed FOR DAYS. He got so fed up he took a motorbike and fled the place for a moment.
Translation for the slow IORR members : the magical moments that exist on the band's records might often be the result of intense and painful work and rework.
That's how they worked (remember the Godard movie?)
Translation for the slow IORR members : the magical moments that exist on the band's records might often be the result of intense and painful work and rework.
That's how they worked (remember the Godard movie?)
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
Anonymous User
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Date: September 14, 2010 22:15
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-09-15 10:56 by Amsterdamned.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-09-15 10:56 by Amsterdamned.
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
His Majesty
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Date: September 15, 2010 15:15
Spontaneous jam or not, it's a f**king cool track!
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
CousinC
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Date: September 15, 2010 16:58
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Mathijs
If you believe this is one spontaneous jam you believe everything.
Mathijs
That would intend Taylor and Richards are not telling the truth by telling it was a spontaneous jam?
To be honest I don't believe half of what they say.
If there ever was one clean, structured Stones "jam" here it is . .
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
skipstone
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Date: September 15, 2010 17:00
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mtaylor
It is funny how people on this board know better than the Stones themself.
And just like Mick, I can't be bothered to remember it all.
And just like Keith, I'm not willing to get things correct because, dude, it's all about the motherfucking MYTH dude!
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