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Why should he lie ? I can imagine the end riff together with the sax was rehearsed,
or an overdub done by Keys.
OK, but that is not what you hear on the final release (band goes directly into the jam section, the only one who was not playing was Bobby), and that is why I think that deep down the story is true, but there was also some editing.
C
The deep down story comes from a (Keith) guitar technician.
They usually don't like Taylor and worship Keith..
He probably gets the sack as his story differs from Keith's version...
Anyway a great song, and fabulous guitar playing, both by Keith & Mick.
Santana is not my cup of tea either.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-09-13 15:53 by Amsterdamned.
I assume you mean "we're" to doubt that?
If you read my original post, the question is whether the thing emerged spontaneously in a jam - with all the different parts - or if it was worked out and then recorded in one take, which is quite different.
Exactly. There is too much structure on the chord changes for this to be spontaneous. Maybe it was recorded in one take, but I find it hard to believe that they thought they were done recording and just kept playing, and this emerged.
Maybe Taylor refers to his own solo playing only,which could be a one take over one chord as well as over 10 chords?
That would intend Taylor and Richards are not telling the truth by telling it was a spontaneous jam?
The truth will be inbetween, most likely.
BTW,who is Rocky Dijon?
Conga player, he doesn't play on the first half of the song...the jam part owns a lot of the "latin" feel to him.
Thanks.
A pitty he did not write about this subject yet.
At least he can tell if Taylor's playing was a one take,which interest me most.
I think Rocky Dijon passed away. Someone said here that he died in the 70's.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-09-14 04:13 by stones78.
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Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
71Tele
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Date: September 13, 2010 02:26
It has been claimed (by Keith?) that the jam that comprises "part 2" of CYHMK was spontaneously captured in one take. Supposedly the tapes kept rolling after the "main" part of the song finished. I have my doubts about this. It seems unlikely to me that even with a band as tight as the Stones could be, a piece of music with so many distinct parts would emerge spontaneously this perfectly during a recording session. I DO think that perhaps the idea for this part of the song originated during a jam session, but was then refined and rehearsed. Curious to know if anyone has any more info on this. Thanks.
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
stones78
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Date: September 13, 2010 02:54
Mick Taylor has also said it was "one-take thing", but it's very hard to believe.
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
marcovandereijk
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Date: September 13, 2010 10:49
Charlie also confirmed it was done in one take according to timeisonourside.
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
bluesinc.
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Date: September 13, 2010 11:22
i think it was spontaneous reherased, wich means the knew what to do but the song wasn´t written till the end
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
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Anonymous User
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Date: September 13, 2010 11:34
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stones78
Mick Taylor has also said it was "one-take thing", but it's very hard to believe.
Why should he lie ? I can imagine the end riff together with the sax was rehearsed,
or an overdub done by Keys.
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
ablett
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Date: September 13, 2010 11:44
So three members of the band say its was spontaneous but were to doubt that?
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
liddas
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Date: September 13, 2010 13:20
Nobody said it was created on the spot.
At his concert in Milano some time ago Taylor introduced Knocking saying that it was something he was doing before he joined the stones. So the jam could have been rehearsed by the stones before.
What I think could have happened is that after Knocking pt1, actually the band did go on playing with the tapes rolling, that there was only one take etc. etc., BUT what is on the final release is an edit of the best moments of that jam.
C
At his concert in Milano some time ago Taylor introduced Knocking saying that it was something he was doing before he joined the stones. So the jam could have been rehearsed by the stones before.
What I think could have happened is that after Knocking pt1, actually the band did go on playing with the tapes rolling, that there was only one take etc. etc., BUT what is on the final release is an edit of the best moments of that jam.
C
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
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Date: September 13, 2010 13:30
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liddas
Nobody said it was created on the spot.
At his concert in Milano some time ago Taylor introduced Knocking saying that it was something he was doing before he joined the stones. So the jam could have been rehearsed by the stones before.
What I think could have happened is that after Knocking pt1, actually the band did go on playing with the tapes rolling, that there was only one take etc. etc., BUT what is on the final release is an edit of the best moments of that jam.
C
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
liddas
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Date: September 13, 2010 13:50
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Amsterdamned
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liddas
Nobody said it was created on the spot.
At his concert in Milano some time ago Taylor introduced Knocking saying that it was something he was doing before he joined the stones. So the jam could have been rehearsed by the stones before.
What I think could have happened is that after Knocking pt1, actually the band did go on playing with the tapes rolling, that there was only one take etc. etc., BUT what is on the final release is an edit of the best moments of that jam.
C
OK, but that is not what you hear on the final release (band goes directly into the jam section, the only one who was not playing was Bobby), and that is why I think that deep down the story is true, but there was also some editing.
C
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
Amused
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Date: September 13, 2010 14:29
what I believe is one time they played the song and spontaneously played that jam at the end, and next they re-recorded it the way we know CYHMK today x)
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Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
WeLoveYou
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Date: September 13, 2010 14:54
MT says he was the one who carried on playing, but when you listen to this track it's KR alone that plays the little funky riff...BW and MT then follow with complimentary riffs (sliding from one fret to the next).
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
WeLoveYou
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Date: September 13, 2010 15:08
It's possible then that MT did carry on playing, but perhaps KR then overdubbed his funky riff and then it was all mixed so that MT appears to comes in later on (with BW).
It's possible that the song was played in one take and that the jam part really was spontaneous - but with extensive mixing and the odd overdub we ended up with the track as we know it.
This would explain why the Stones say it was a spontaneous jam that just rolled on.....because it was, but it was then messed around with a lot to get the end result.
When they play the ascending riff at the end of the tune, the bass follows the guitars and slides up - this can't have been spontaneous so I reckon the bass was overdubbed at the end.
It's possible that the song was played in one take and that the jam part really was spontaneous - but with extensive mixing and the odd overdub we ended up with the track as we know it.
This would explain why the Stones say it was a spontaneous jam that just rolled on.....because it was, but it was then messed around with a lot to get the end result.
When they play the ascending riff at the end of the tune, the bass follows the guitars and slides up - this can't have been spontaneous so I reckon the bass was overdubbed at the end.
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
Anonymous User
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Date: September 13, 2010 15:13
i have read the same thing one take by the stones and the tape keep rolling ,when they did the playback they liked what they heard and thats what happened .i also read that taylor played a gibson viceroy brown 345.dont know what amp was used by taylor?
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
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Anonymous User
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Date: September 13, 2010 15:30
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liddas
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Amsterdamned
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liddas
Nobody said it was created on the spot.
At his concert in Milano some time ago Taylor introduced Knocking saying that it was something he was doing before he joined the stones. So the jam could have been rehearsed by the stones before.
What I think could have happened is that after Knocking pt1, actually the band did go on playing with the tapes rolling, that there was only one take etc. etc., BUT what is on the final release is an edit of the best moments of that jam.
C
OK, but that is not what you hear on the final release (band goes directly into the jam section, the only one who was not playing was Bobby), and that is why I think that deep down the story is true, but there was also some editing.
C
The deep down story comes from a (Keith) guitar technician.
They usually don't like Taylor and worship Keith..
He probably gets the sack as his story differs from Keith's version...
Anyway a great song, and fabulous guitar playing, both by Keith & Mick.
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
OpenG
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Date: September 13, 2010 15:34
Its not a real JAM - a VAMP its two songs - the riff part and extended solo.
play a AM chord and anyone can sound like Santana. MT plays major scales more then any other blues guitarist
play that guitar boy
play a AM chord and anyone can sound like Santana. MT plays major scales more then any other blues guitarist
play that guitar boy
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
Anonymous User
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Date: September 13, 2010 15:45
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OpenG
Its not a real JAM - a VAMP its two songs - the riff part and extended solo.
play a AM chord and anyone can sound like Santana.
Santana is not my cup of tea either.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-09-13 15:53 by Amsterdamned.
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
71Tele
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Date: September 13, 2010 17:50
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ablett
So three members of the band say its was spontaneous but were to doubt that?
I assume you mean "we're" to doubt that?
If you read my original post, the question is whether the thing emerged spontaneously in a jam - with all the different parts - or if it was worked out and then recorded in one take, which is quite different.
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: September 13, 2010 17:52
the chord sequences tell me that this is not spontaneous at all. Keith and Charlie, maybe, but not the slight chord/lead guitar changes towards the ending.
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Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
CousinC
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Date: September 13, 2010 18:05
No way is this all spontaneous with all those horn/ guitar sequences and this being the Rolling Stones!
And I remember Mick in late 70's sayin something like: "Now I would change the structure of the 2nd part . ."
And I remember Mick in late 70's sayin something like: "Now I would change the structure of the 2nd part . ."
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
71Tele
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Date: September 13, 2010 18:28
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CousinC
No way is this all spontaneous with all those horn/ guitar sequences and this being the Rolling Stones!
And I remember Mick in late 70's sayin something like: "Now I would change the structure of the 2nd part . ."
Exactly. There is too much structure on the chord changes for this to be spontaneous. Maybe it was recorded in one take, but I find it hard to believe that they thought they were done recording and just kept playing, and this emerged.
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
Anonymous User
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Date: September 14, 2010 00:03
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71Tele
Quote
CousinC
No way is this all spontaneous with all those horn/ guitar sequences and this being the Rolling Stones!
And I remember Mick in late 70's sayin something like: "Now I would change the structure of the 2nd part . ."
Exactly. There is too much structure on the chord changes for this to be spontaneous. Maybe it was recorded in one take, but I find it hard to believe that they thought they were done recording and just kept playing, and this emerged.
Maybe Taylor refers to his own solo playing only,which could be a one take over one chord as well as over 10 chords?
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
Mathijs
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Date: September 14, 2010 00:17
If you believe this is one spontaneous jam you believe everything.
Mathijs
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Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
Anonymous User
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Date: September 14, 2010 00:23
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Mathijs
If you believe this is one spontaneous jam you believe everything.
Mathijs
That would intend Taylor and Richards are not telling the truth by telling it was a spontaneous jam?
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
stones78
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Date: September 14, 2010 00:45
It's too structured to be a completely spontaneous jam...while everybody were putting down the instruments and picking them up did Rocky Dijon quickly entered the studio to spontaneously join them?
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
Justin
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Date: September 14, 2010 00:53
The jam is waayyy to clean for it to be that "on the spot."
The Stones, most likely, jammed out on the song in previous or in between takes and finally decided to record it. It was definitely well-rehearsed and maybe even severely cleaned up in editing.
The Stones, most likely, jammed out on the song in previous or in between takes and finally decided to record it. It was definitely well-rehearsed and maybe even severely cleaned up in editing.
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
Anonymous User
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Date: September 14, 2010 01:04
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stones78
It's too structured to be a completely spontaneous jam...while everybody were putting down the instruments and picking them up did Rocky Dijon quickly entered the studio to spontaneously join them?
The truth will be inbetween, most likely.
BTW,who is Rocky Dijon?
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
stones78
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Date: September 14, 2010 01:12
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Amsterdamned
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stones78
It's too structured to be a completely spontaneous jam...while everybody were putting down the instruments and picking them up did Rocky Dijon quickly entered the studio to spontaneously join them?
The truth will be inbetween, most likely.
BTW,who is Rocky Dijon?
Conga player, he doesn't play on the first half of the song...the jam part owns a lot of the "latin" feel to him.
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
Anonymous User
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Date: September 14, 2010 01:19
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stones78
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Amsterdamned
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stones78
It's too structured to be a completely spontaneous jam...while everybody were putting down the instruments and picking them up did Rocky Dijon quickly entered the studio to spontaneously join them?
The truth will be inbetween, most likely.
BTW,who is Rocky Dijon?
Conga player, he doesn't play on the first half of the song...the jam part owns a lot of the "latin" feel to him.
Thanks.
A pitty he did not write about this subject yet.
At least he can tell if Taylor's playing was a one take,which interest me most.
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
stones78
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Date: September 14, 2010 01:36
Quote
Amsterdamned
Thanks.
A pitty he did not write about this subject yet.
At least he can tell if Taylor's playing was a one take,which interest me most.
I think Rocky Dijon passed away. Someone said here that he died in the 70's.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-09-14 04:13 by stones78.
Re: Can't You Hear Me Knockin' - Rehearsed or Spontaneous?
Posted by:
More Hot Rocks
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Date: September 14, 2010 01:58
Listen to the assending lick on the outro. Everybody is playing the same notes. That means it was rehearsed.
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