Just acquired the complete Stones Ed Sullivan appearances. And once again Brian got screwed during 'Time Is On My Side'. Just like on the T.A.M.I. concert film, the camera cuts away from Brian as he launches into his blues solo. This was Brian's party piece in the early days. They never seemed to miss Keith's Chuck Berry solos, but for some reason they ignore Brian when it's a song in his realm, the Blues. So far I haven't found a video clip with Brian playing his famous solo. It's sad, because on a lot of those early Stones songs, Brian was just pretending to play rhythm. If he wasn't playing harp, he didn't seem to be contributing much to the sound. It seems if it was a rock song, he just sat it out. Lennon was always chopping away behind Harrison's leads, Brian, not so much.

>> They never seemed to miss Keith's Chuck Berry solos <<

sure they do - they miss them all the time! TV/film crews rarely know enough about music (even now)
to figure out who's playing what, and the syndrome is especially bad for guitarists in two-guitar bands.
even in Shine a Light with its famous 719 cameras or whatever they had there are moments
when they're filming the wrong guitarist ... the really savvy ones just film someone's butt during guitar solos

Wasn't the solo on Time played by Keith?


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Brian never really moved as much as Keith in the early days, so I guess the producers always fixed the cameras on mick and Keith. It's a similar scenario to when the camera cuts to the bass player when it's a solo just cos the bass player may be moving around and also becuase the producer simply doesn't understand exactly who plays what at what point in the song.



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Brian never really moved as much as Keith in the early days

Brian didn't move much because he played better than Keith which is a fact. While Keith concentrated on hand moves, arm moves, leg moves and so on. He actually reached a state where I sometimes find it painful to watch him because he is so eager to make "cool" moves.

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Wasn't the solo on Time played by Keith?


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yes, and 24FPS and I must have parallel-universe versions of this clip, because I could swear that they showed brian during keith's solo!

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Brian didn't move much because he played better than Keith which is a fact.

hmm, what's your definition of fact?

Weird... To me the cameras back in those days seem to have focused mainly on both Mick and Brian. Brian was considered to be the leader and Mick was the lead singer - go figure.

I'm 99% sure Brian plays the solo on 'Time'. The reason I say that is I remember reading an interview around the '81 tour, when the song was part of their set, and Keith said something to the effect that he now plays Brian's old solo. As far as I remember, Keith did the rock solos, Brian the Blues. I can't think of an example of Keith playing slide until much later, and I can't think of an example of Keith playing slide on stage, except for acoustically, on You Got the Silver for the No Security Tour in 1999.

They may have ignored Brian's solo on Ed Sullivan, but they focused on Bill alone during his bass runs ending 19th Nervous Breakdown.

Brian did not move much on the Sullivan shows, but he certainly moved at those NME shows in England, especially during his harp solos. One wonders if at some point they told Bill and Brian to stop singing background, and told Brian to cool it with the dancing.

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I'm 99% sure Brian plays the solo on 'Time'. The reason I say that is I remember reading an interview around the '81 tour, when the song was part of their set, and Keith said something to the effect that he now plays Brian's old solo.

sounds more like you're 81% sure...

I can't think of any single-string solos played by brian--some single-string lines, yes. However, a recent, exhaustive discussion here about "Tell Me" concluded that that solo is so generic it could have been played by anyone, including brian. You might search for that thread. The point about brian playing slide is true, but not relevant to "Time Is on My Side."

I'm not sophisticated enough about guitar playing to know the difference between a 'single'string solo' or a 'single string line'. How do you characterize what Brian did on Little Red Rooster? I Wanna Be Your Man? I'm Moving On? No Expectations? And, finally, a Stones cover Brian was particularly proud of, I Can't Be Satisfied?

The only reason I can't say I'm 100% sure of Brian playing the solo on 'Time' is because the only YouTube videos I can find with the Brian era Stones playing Time Is On My Side are the aforementioned Sullivan and TAMI spots. I just re-watched the TAMI footage and it certainly looks from Brian's face that he is playing the solo and he's damn proud of it. I don't think he'd look that orgiastic and proud listening to Keith play. Until I see video evidence of Keith playing the 'Time' solo during the Brian era, I'm going to take Keith's word and assume Brian played it. If I'm wrong, big deal.

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I'm not sophisticated enough about guitar playing to know the difference between a 'single'string solo' or a 'single string line'. How do you characterize what Brian did on Little Red Rooster? I Wanna Be Your Man? I'm Moving On? No Expectations? And, finally, a Stones cover Brian was particularly proud of, I Can't Be Satisfied?

those are all solos, but on the slide guitar, unlike "Time Is on my Side."

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While Keith concentrated on hand moves, arm moves, leg moves and so on. He actually reached a state where I sometimes find it painful to watch him because he is so eager to make "cool" moves.

It took Pete Townshend to perfect those moves, since he credits Keith with inventing that "windmill" arm motion that Pete expanded on and made famous.

Keith looked cool, but he also had the main groove. WHether Brian was the best musician in the Stones at that time has always been debateable. The myth is that Brian was the more versatile and that may true. But Keith perfected the feel and that's alot harder to do. ANy gifted musican can learn a bunch of instruments, but someone who create something out of a rhythym is a genious.

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Keith looked cool, but he also had the main groove. WHether Brian was the best musician in the Stones at that time has always been debateable. The myth is that Brian was the more versatile and that may true. But Keith perfected the feel and that's alot harder to do. ANy gifted musican can learn a bunch of instruments, but someone who create something out of a rhythym is a genious.

Very well said.

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>> They never seemed to miss Keith's Chuck Berry solos <<

sure they do - they miss them all the time! TV/film crews rarely know enough about music (even now)
to figure out who's playing what, and the syndrome is especially bad for guitarists in two-guitar bands.
even in Shine a Light with its famous 719 cameras or whatever they had there are moments
when they're filming the wrong guitarist ... the really savvy ones just film someone's butt during guitar solos

Tell it Preacher! During the infancy of Rock n Roll and until the early 70's film and Television crews were older men (30 plus). Many of them could take or leave the music they were listening to. With that being the case a good number of them were completely CLUELESS when it came to recording rock acts.

Of course there were exceptions but for the most part the early stuff from a capturing rock solos were by luck not experience.

<As far as I remember, Keith did the rock solos, Brian the Blues. I can't think of an example of Keith playing slide until much later, and I can't think of an example of Keith playing slide on stage, except for acoustically, on You Got the Silver for the No Security Tour in 1999.>

Seems like you have a lot of catching up to do:

- Keith was the solo guitarist in the Stones, except for Brian´s slide solos/themes.
- Keith played countless blues solos in the early days as well.
- Keith played slide on Happy in 1972

I´m not 100 percent sure who played the solos on the studio versions of Time Is On My Side and The Spider And The Fly, though. Could have been Brian, but I would have put my money on Keith.

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'The myth is that Brian was the more versatile and that may true. But Keith perfected the feel and that's alot harder to do.' Brian was more 'feel' than anything. That's why his slide on Little Red Rooster is so memorable, or No Expectations. Or his recorder on Ruby Tuesday. We don't celebrate those high water marks because they're technically perfect but for the haunting emotion expressed. His marimbas on Under My Thumb are all feel, along with Bill's bass. The first incarnation of the Stones, except for technically good Charlie, are all 'feel' musicians. Charlie said of Bill that he was no Jaco Pastorius. Noted. It was a 'feel' band, feel good.

Ah man, we're not going over it again aren't we??

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What is this shit!" Critizising keith for his moves?? Keith's moves are just part of what he is feeling when he is playing. Go listen to whitney Huston, that's my advice. Without keith there is nothing!!!

'Seems like you have a lot of catching up to do:

PLEASE EDUCATE ME
'- Keith played countless blues solos in the early days as well.'
PLEASE NAME KEITH BLUES SOLOS ON RELEASED RECORDINGS PRIOR TO BRIAN's DEPARTURE.
- Keith played slide on Happy in 1972
PLEASE TELL ME WHERE I CAN FIND VIDEO OF KEITH PLAYING SLIDE ON STAGE FOR HAPPY, OR PLAYING SLIDE LIVE ANYWHERE BUT ON 'YOU GOT THE SILVER'.

'I´m not 100 percent sure who played the solos on the studio versions of Time Is On My Side and The Spider And The Fly, though. Could have been Brian, but I would have put my money on Keith.'
UNTIL KEITH SAYS OTHERWISE I WILL TAKE HIS WORD THAT BRIAN DID THE SOLO ON TIME IS ON MY SIDE. (OR SEE VIDEO EVIDENCE). THE SPIDER AND THE FLY MIGHT ACTUALLY BE A MYTHIC EXAMPLE OF The Ancient Art of Weaving.

I'm not sure why people think Brian couldn't play a decent blues solo. Keith was the Rhythm, Brian was the Blues in the Rollin' Stones R&B group, long before a few incarnations left them as the Greatest Rock and Roll Band in the World. But go ahead, educate me.

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Keith looked cool, but he also had the main groove. WHether Brian was the best musician in the Stones at that time has always been debateable. The myth is that Brian was the more versatile and that may true. But Keith perfected the feel and that's alot harder to do. ANy gifted musican can learn a bunch of instruments, but someone who create something out of a rhythym is a genious.

That's really smart stupidguy2

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I'm 99% sure Brian plays the solo on 'Time'. The reason I say that is I remember reading an interview around the '81 tour, when the song was part of their set, and Keith said something to the effect that he now plays Brian's old solo.

Until I see video evidence of Keith playing the 'Time' solo during the Brian era, I'm going to take Keith's word and assume Brian played it. If I'm wrong, big deal.

Until we see evidence of Keith having ever said such a thing, I'm not sure why anyone should assume it was Brian. It cuts both way.

'Until we see evidence of Keith having ever said such a thing, I'm not sure why anyone should assume it was Brian. It cuts both way.'

Fair enough. I can at least say I remember reading an interview with Keith during the '81 tour where he talked about playing Brian's old solo on 'Time Is On My Side'. I've also read where there are two versions of 'Time'. The first was recorded with organ, and then they went back in and cut it again with Brian on guitar. I will work to further substantiate these assertions, after a beer, or two.

24FPS - I'm not sure on some of the early solos but you are incorrect when you state that Brian was all blues and Keith rythym. In the early years of the Stones Keith was lead guitarist and Brian played a lot of rythym. The famous riffs toward the end of It's All Over Now which one would swear is Keith is Brian. Keith plays the solo in the middle of the song. I'm not saying Brian could not play blues solos either but that is one of the great things about this band the two guitarists especially in the early years were very versatile in that they could switch between lead and rythym. Brian also plays the rythym on DOwn the Road APiece which is really good. Both Brian and Keith had the "groove" early on which made for great stuff! Slowly, on the musical side of things Keith took the band over and gave them their signature sound. But, Brian always had a great feel and sense of timing on where he could fit one of his instrumentals into the song. Let's face it they were all gifted when working together and everyone of them contributed much to the overall sound.

True. I'm not one of those people who wants to over-embellish Brian, or under-play him. But he is sort of lost to the mists of time, existing before the days of 4DVD tour spectaculars with choose-your-Stone angles and such. At least Ladies and Gentlement the Rolling Stones DVD will ressurrect Mick Taylor's rep a bit.

But Brian was just such a unique force and part of the Stone's DNA. Believe me, he was gone before I was old enough to know exactly who he was. But, like Buddy Holly, like Bix Beiderbecke, there's much to discover, and continue to discover.
Unfortunately all were left with for the most part are TV appearances, which can be deceiving, or inconclusive.

24FPS:

Here is Keith playing slide on Happy in 1972:





Keith´s blues solos:

Well, Confessin´The Blues, Good Times, Little By Little and I Just Wanna Make Love To You (to name a few - there are many, many more)

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>> Keith played slide on Happy in 1972 <<

and in 75 and 78. and let's not forget You Gotta Move in 69.

24FPS, you can find the evidence yourself - there are miles of photos where the slide is plainly visible if you look for it.
and you'll learn more if you do the research yourself, so ... have fun! :E



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You Gotta Move, right on, with sssoul! I knew there was at least one more. Thx.

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No pics, but Keith´s slide playing is loud and clear





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ohh all right: to start 24FPS off, here's a set of photos to (almost) illustrate Dandelion Powderman's offering -
see the slide on Keith's little finger in the first shot? that's what you want to look for in other photos


- You Gotta Move, MSG november 27th 1969, probably by Joseph Sia ... compiled with sssoul :E



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