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Re: I aint signyfying - New Taylor or not?
Posted by: muenke ()
Date: May 21, 2010 23:18

"Isn't it nice to be able to come here and discuss this kind of stuff with other people? I don't know about you guys, but none of my friends know and/or don't care about any of this."


best comment ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i feel the same way ........

Re: I aint signyfying - New Taylor or not?
Posted by: skipstone ()
Date: May 22, 2010 01:48

It is fun. That's a big reason why I'm here. However, it does not change my world - but it does help it go by better. Sometimes.

Re: I aint signyfying - New Taylor or not?
Posted by: CindyC ()
Date: May 22, 2010 05:20

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"Isn't it nice to be able to come here and discuss this kind of stuff with other people? I don't know about you guys, but none of my friends know and/or don't care about any of this."

best comment ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i feel the same way ........


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Wasn't looking too good, but I was feeling real well.

Re: I aint signyfying - New Taylor or not?
Posted by: sweetcharmedlife ()
Date: May 22, 2010 05:31

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"Isn't it nice to be able to come here and discuss this kind of stuff with other people? I don't know about you guys, but none of my friends know and/or don't care about any of this."

best comment ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i feel the same way ........


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Yeah.it's not like you can just walk up to a stranger on the street and say. So what do ya think about the new exile?tongue sticking out smiley

"It's just some friends of mine and they're busting down the door"

Re: I aint signyfying - New Taylor or not?
Posted by: straycatblues73 ()
Date: May 22, 2010 16:23

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"Isn't it nice to be able to come here and discuss this kind of stuff with other people? I don't know about you guys, but none of my friends know and/or don't care about any of this."

best comment ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i feel the same way ........


smiling smiley
Yeah.it's not like you can just walk up to a stranger on the street and say. So what do ya think about the new exile?tongue sticking out smiley

always been like that , i remember when black and blue came out (it was the first new album at the time when i became aware of the RS) i was at high school and in my year there were only about another two kids at all interrested .

Re: I aint signyfying - New Taylor or not?
Posted by: Mathijs ()
Date: May 23, 2010 16:41

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Certainly original Taylor, I guess new vocals (very nasal, which Jagger hadn't at that time, at least not on a recorded song), also new harp (confirmed by Jagger himself in the Dutch NOVA-interview). Doubts about the horns, sound very atypical (especially at the very end of the song) and new. Imo the old version is way more bluesy and has much better guitar licks. The guitar plays no role anymore, is buried in the mix and dominated by both the harp and the horns.

I personally think its an old vocal. Sounds very like Jagger's style of faux-black diction from the early 70s. Doesnt sound as 'nasal' as his other latter day vocals.

The horns are credited to Bobby Keys and Jim Price, and I havent read or heard anywhere that they were involved in any of the overdub sessions.

Thanks for the info on the harp overdubs.

Gazza, I never ever have heard Jagger sing so nasally. It sounds like an imitation of the young Jagger by the 2010 Jagger, just like he imitates Keith's voice so well on PMS. And as to the credits: read that little booklet, it's as incorrect as possible. Compare it to the old credible credits from 1972. In 1972 only Taylor plays bass on SAL. Now it's suddenly also Wyman according to the new credits. I'm sure it's only Taylor. Well, do you still believe those credits? Again: history rewritten.

Well, I was quoting your expression 'nasal' as I wasnt sure of a suitable word for it myself.

However, to give an example of the vocal styles/enunciation I'm talking about - an example is 'I Just wanna see his face'. To me, that sounds similar to 'I'm Not Signifying', in that he sounds like he has a gobstopper in his mouth.

As for the credits. There's several inconsistencies between new and old versions and certainly some errors. (Strings on 'Happy' WTF?) The credits on the original album doesnt say that 'only' Taylor plays bass on the song. The design of the credits for each side of the album is such that they are very vague. At the top it lists the main musicians and the instruments they play on that selection of songs. Then under the song titles, it lists other credits. Eg - Bill Wyman is listed as 'bass' for side 1. the fact that Bill Plummer plays 'upright bass' on 'Rip This Joint', Richards plays bass on 'Casino Boogie' and Taylor plays bass on 'Tumbling Dice' doesnt automatically mean that Wyman doesnt play on those songs. There may have been an extra bass. Similarly Keith & Mick Taylor are listed as the guitarists on side 1 and Mick Jagger is just credited as 'vocal'. The listing of Mick Jagger as 'guitar' for 'Tumbling Dice' doesnt mean that Keith or Mick T dont play guitar on it, etc.

Anyway, I'm not sure if your point is that you're suggesting there are horn overdubs. If so, I dont think so. I havent seen or read a single article or interview that suggests that there are.

I think we really shouldn't try to find anything behind the new credits. it's just a combination of the list of musicians on top of the original sleeve plus the extra credits per song. I guess the designer of the new sleev just thought that the toplisted musicians play on every song plus the extra musicians named. So now suddenly every track has two bass player, which is rediculous.

Btw, harmonica on Signifying is new, high pitched Keith imitation on PMS is Jagger, and I think horns on Signifying are old but heavily edited.

Mathijs

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