I wholeheartedly disagree with the OP!
...and what a snide remark about Lisa Fischer and Cindy Mizelle.
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Lisa Fischer-like fake gospel backing vocals.

If they are Lisa Fischer-like backing vocals then who is it? Is that a mystery you are not aware of?

I don't like Was' previous records with the Stones either, but PMS is great because the fundamental elements were there long before Was became involved.

"So the Don Was production attracts young fans?!"

I don't know if it does but I'm pretty sure this what MJ had in mind when he hired him. Add "Chuck Leavell" to the equation and you'll get a fairly good pic of the band's musical decline (imho).

Open letter to the Don Was haters:

Send your studio credits to the Rolling Stones and why you should produce their next project. Be sure to attach some samples.

Wow how liberating... i thought i was the only one who thought Don Was once again sabotaged a Stones project. It sounds more like a Voodoo Lounge outtake I think. What I really don't understand is how Keith Richards puts up with these results, his fingers might be gone but I am sure his hearing still 100%. Don Was should be shot and Mick as well, he lost his singing ways during Wandering Spirit record, probably his last good singing album.

I just listened to 30 seconds of the new tracks cd 1 through 6 and all of them have new mick vocals on them.

finaly someone with ears and feeling for music.
don was commited too many stones crimes.
there are many great producers that would fit the stone sound.
don was is terrible.

Bigger Bang has been a good album, not at all perfect. I always loved the stones for just not sounding perfect. Its the dirt waht made them the greatest Rock'n Roll band in the world. Thank god EOMS wasn't perfect and thank god PMS leaves a lot of room for all "producers" here on board to complain.

WHAT EXACTLY has Don Was done again? Preventing the Stones from coming up with another classic like Jumping Jack Flash or Honky Tonk Women? Sorry, but sometimes these anti-Don Was rants read like as if he is responsible for the music. HE IS NOT! He has to deal with whatever the Stomes present to him. If you dont like the music, fine, but dont blame Don Was.

DONT SHOOT HIM, HE IS ONLY THE PRODUCER!!!



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Open letter to the Don Was haters:

Send your studio credits to the Rolling Stones and why you should produce their next project. Be sure to attach some samples.

What he said. Record production isn't easy...there's a hell of a lot more to it than sitting in a chair up in the control booth saying "Do this" or "Don't do that." And Don Was has a pretty decent track record, like him or not.

I get the idea that the Stones are a very hard band to produce in general, especially with the separate Mick and Keith factions in the studio. I certainly don't envy Don Was trying to get something decent out of the group; it must be like pulling teeth. Hell, he must be doing something right- Don Was has been their producer longer than anyone 'cept The Glimmer Twins themselves! Sure, he may not be Jimmy Miller, but give me Was's old-school ways over Chris Kimsey's sterility any day. At this stage in the game the Stones need a producer, for good or ill.

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Just listened to "Plundered My Soul." Amazing how he turned a lost "Exile" track into a "Bigger Bang" outtake. Terrible mix, lousy vocals (thanks, Mick - please stop over emoting) and cheesy Lisa Fischer-like fake gospel backing vocals. God, how awful...

PMS is not a bad little song; it is modestly catchy, has nice some guitar-work, and Charlie is fine as always. But the vocals are too overbearing. The low point of the song IMO is when Mick leers "I started askin arrroooooooounnddd" like he is being really naughty and devious. Uggh.

In the grand scheme of things, it is just a very tiny blip in the context of the huge and glorious Stones catalogue. It is receiving a lot more attention than it rightfully deserves; if it was on ABB it would have received no more attention than, say, "Rain Falls Down". Just my two cents.

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What I really don't understand is how Keith Richards puts up with these results, his fingers might be gone but I am sure his hearing still 100%.

Maybe because Keith likes Don's work?

JumpingKentFlash

Okay, some of you children do not like Don Was....remember the song "Walk the Dinosour" ? That was Don Was !

Anyway, would you suggest that they work with John "Mutt" Lang ? That would be interesting. How about Donald Fagen. Donald Fagen, yes Donald Fagen.

How about the guy who did Joe Cocker's "One Night of Sin" record. Listen to the song "Bad Bad Sign" and then go cry in your corner. So goods it should have been illegal.

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Open letter to the Don Was haters:

Send your studio credits to the Rolling Stones and why you should produce their next project. Be sure to attach some samples.

What he said. Record production isn't easy...there's a hell of a lot more to it than sitting in a chair up in the control booth saying "Do this" or "Don't do that." And Don Was has a pretty decent track record, like him or not.

I get the idea that the Stones are a very hard band to produce in general, especially with the separate Mick and Keith factions in the studio. I certainly don't envy Don Was trying to get something decent out of the group; it must be like pulling teeth. Hell, he must be doing something right- Don Was has been their producer longer than anyone 'cept The Glimmer Twins themselves! Sure, he may not be Jimmy Miller, but give me Was's old-school ways over Chris Kimsey's sterility any day. At this stage in the game the Stones need a producer, for good or ill.

I think you've made an important point here: Anybody complaining about Don Was "ruining" their sound should just remember the sound of Steel Wheels, produced by a certain Chris Kimsey. I'd much prefer the sound of a track like, say, Mean Disposition to the terribly sterile sound of many Steel Wheels tracks (e.g. Sad Sad Sad). Still Chris Kimsey is a well known, much acclaimed enigneer (and rightly so) and nobody would ever think of accusing him to "ruin" Stones records. I guess there are simply some more factors to be taken into account, not least the Stones themselves, and no producer in the world could choose certain settings without their approval.



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The work that Don Was did with the Stones from Voodoo Lounge until Forty Licks is fine. The only slight complaint that I have is his love of loud mastering and his engineer Krish Sharma's apparent love for compression. If you listen to other recent Was productions such as Maia Sharp's "Echo" album and Zucchero's "Fly" album, you'll know what I mean.

Back in the day when he entered the picture and his engineers were Ed Cherney, Don Smith, Rik Pekkonen and Dan Bosworth, everything was fine.

I'd prefer him recording and releasing another Was (Not Was) album over another Stones album, because that band's lyrics are so d**n hilarious.

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When first hearing Plundering My Soul, I couldn't get past the (IMO) POOR lyrics - and the obvious new vocals....not that I mind new vocals - but the whole thing sounded like an attempt of trying to recreate the "Exile-mood"....a bit forced.
Even wondered, and still wonder, if for instance the bassy horns are new overdubs....? If they are.....then it's forgery!
Anyway, I did get used to the new vocals after a few listens - and one can tell that Jagger (and also Charlie Watts) are the strongest bandmembers at this age; Jagger sings it well.....even if it's really different from the way he did it in 1972
So I have mixed emotions about it.....but all in all...I like Plundered My Soul - it has a nice groove....but it's impossible to just enjoy it and relax - like I can with other new & nice RS songs - like "Too Tight" - because Plundered seem like a bit of a bastard; like an antique, unique and slightly damaged work of art that has been copied and re-build up in plastic.....as a commercial for a travel-agency arranging flights to Athens.....placed on the floor next to the slick money-counting travelagent.
I guess I'd appreciate Plundering My Soul a lot more if I heard it on the radio or something, while doing something completely else - because it's pretty good on it's own - but alas....there's *something fishy* about it.
....unless it's just me who's crabby this week.....because it IS a nice song...

I see what you mean, Erik, and that's exactly what I thought at the first few listens. And it's also true that this song seems just like an endless flow, very jam-like, and still ... that little bastard is a grower, slowly creeping in. I just bet, it'll get you too... just play it on your stereo (or if that doesn't help, think of Tattoo You ;-)

cool impressions ty Erik... i can't sit all the way thru plunderd tho gonna buy and quick!! the new release for old stuff and with great hope that the re-mastering be a cool edition to their catalog...the amazon samples sound really great to me; creamy bass...very cool...me dig bill...sound good... the old unreleased stuff charming exciting can't wait for more... tho i cannot sit thru plunder frankly....i am SO excitied but the overwrought vocals or maybe it's the pushed digi highs in the vocal...something....is fatiguing a bit kinda 'steely' in mick's vocal frequencies high end sorta.... i don't friggin know what but it's not pleasant sonic experience i don't know how much is feeling mick wudda done just spectacular if he had either been less overwrought, or it wasn't pushed so hot hot hot hot in the mix, especially upper mids or highs...???? dunno for sure; not an engineer....but something...not friendly there...to my ears...

i DO ultra love the familiar exile tracks on amazon, i'm SURE they're tweaked this way and that but i still have very high hopes it will be really pleasant, brilliant, blistering....holding out for that....gonna get the new double cd....

can't tell from puter really....not gonna soapbox, but generally speaking, as the techonology gets more Jetsons....the full aural stereophonic experience of electro magnetic mysteries of saturation, frequency response etc....WERE MUCH more reasonable, BETTER...more full spectrum....GENERATIONS of people have now been bred on ipods and like....ear buds and like...laptops and like...
like not good in a way. not very good at all...kinda feel they got ripped off bigtime....BIGTIME

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Open letter to the Don Was haters:

Send your studio credits to the Rolling Stones and why you should produce their next project. Be sure to attach some samples.

What he said. Record production isn't easy...there's a hell of a lot more to it than sitting in a chair up in the control booth saying "Do this" or "Don't do that." And Don Was has a pretty decent track record, like him or not.

I get the idea that the Stones are a very hard band to produce in general, especially with the separate Mick and Keith factions in the studio. I certainly don't envy Don Was trying to get something decent out of the group; it must be like pulling teeth. Hell, he must be doing something right- Don Was has been their producer longer than anyone 'cept The Glimmer Twins themselves! Sure, he may not be Jimmy Miller, but give me Was's old-school ways over Chris Kimsey's sterility any day. At this stage in the game the Stones need a producer, for good or ill.

I wouldn't rip Kimsey too much, he'd been working with the Stones since SF was a large role on SG as its engineer and did a helluva job on Tattoo You and co-producing Undercover (which is far from sterile sounding). Now, with Steel Wheels, that's another story, but he was co-producer then also, so maybe there was only so much he could do from dissuading Mick from going for that then popular slick INXS kind of sound.

To get off the topic of producer (I don't have a huge problem with Was btw, though I wouldn't mind them trying somebody a little newer like Jack White), I keep noticing something missing here: a good guitar break. It's all lyrics, and not terribly good ones. It REALLY hurts the flow here, imo, with no break or solo to keep things interesting. It wouldn't even have to be a full on solo, just something a la 'Jumping Jack Flash' with a nice chord-based riff. Oh well, what done is done ... I just think it would have made the overall song a little better.

I just listend to Plundered My Souland I really like it its way better than most songs on a bigger bang.

Feel The Fear
And Do It Anyway

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To get off the topic of producer (I don't have a huge problem with Was btw, though I wouldn't mind them trying somebody a little newer like Jack White), I keep noticing something missing here: a good guitar break. It's all lyrics, and not terribly good ones. It REALLY hurts the flow here, imo, with no break or solo to keep things interesting. It wouldn't even have to be a full on solo, just something a la 'Jumping Jack Flash' with a nice chord-based riff. Oh well, what done is done ... I just think it would have made the overall song a little better.

i think jack white's approach would be too much old school for mick to handle, white likes to do things quick and simple when it comes to recording and i doubt he would use protools to make an album.he likes to use vintage analog equipment

Just a thought....after all these Jagger overemoting, Taylor too intrusive and Don Was ruined it - threads I just want to add some new spark to the "whats wrong with PMS?"-debate. Any comments?

Don't overdo a joke.

It wasn't funny the first time.

"It's just some friends of mine and they're busting down the door"

charlies drumming to hesitant, thats because its probably not charlie,LOL

Peoples comments on PMS are too stupid, irrelevant - taht could be a good new thread. Are people on the IORR board too stupid!!

Just a thought....after all these Jagger overemoting, Taylor too intrusive and Don Was ruined it - threads I just want to add some new spark to the "whats wrong with PMS?"-debate. Any comments?

Nothing's wrong with it, Except people nitpicking. It's an outtake, after all, but a damn good one. Personally I think a lot of the excitement is because it is a shock (a pleasant one) to suddenly hear a "new" song with the Jagger/Richards/Watts/Wyman/Taylor/Hopkins/Keys lineup, and it compares mighty well to the post Steel Wheels version of the band - even though it's an outtake.

My guess is that (hopefully) alimente is being a little satirical here. At any rate, we've had about 15+ threads on ONE song so far, I can only imagine what will happen when the full album w/bonus dvd arrives.

If I don't find anything better to do tomorrow I will start a thread complaining about how Nicky Hopkins' piano isn't loud enough.

Two words: More cowbell.