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Erik_Snow
When first hearing Plundering My Soul, I couldn't get past the (IMO) POOR lyrics - and the obvious new vocals....not that I mind new vocals - but the whole thing sounded like an attempt of trying to recreate the "Exile-mood"....a bit forced.
Even wondered, and still wonder, if for instance the bassy horns are new overdubs....? If they are.....then it's forgery!
Anyway, I did get used to the new vocals after a few listens - and one can tell that Jagger (and also Charlie Watts) are the strongest bandmembers at this age; Jagger sings it well.....even if it's really different from the way he did it in 1972
So I have mixed emotions about it.....but all in all...I like Plundered My Soul - it has a nice groove....but it's impossible to just enjoy it and relax - like I can with other new & nice RS songs - like "Too Tight" - because Plundered seem like a bit of a bastard; like an antique, unique and slightly damaged work of art that has been copied and re-build up in plastic.....as a commercial for a travel-agency arranging flights to Athens.....placed on the floor next to the slick money-counting travelagent.
I guess I'd appreciate Plundering My Soul a lot more if I heard it on the radio or something, while doing something completely else - because it's pretty good on it's own - but alas....there's *something fishy* about it.
....unless it's just me who's crabby this week.....because it IS a nice song...

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Erik_Snow
When first hearing Plundering My Soul, I couldn't get past the (IMO) POOR lyrics - and the obvious new vocals....not that I mind new vocals - but the whole thing sounded like an attempt of trying to recreate the "Exile-mood"....a bit forced.
Even wondered, and still wonder, if for instance the bassy horns are new overdubs....? If they are.....then it's forgery!
Anyway, I did get used to the new vocals after a few listens - and one can tell that Jagger (and also Charlie Watts) are the strongest bandmembers at this age; Jagger sings it well.....even if it's really different from the way he did it in 1972
So I have mixed emotions about it.....but all in all...I like Plundered My Soul - it has a nice groove....but it's impossible to just enjoy it and relax - like I can with other new & nice RS songs - like "Too Tight" - because Plundered seem like a bit of a bastard; like an antique, unique and slightly damaged work of art that has been copied and re-build up in plastic.....as a commercial for a travel-agency arranging flights to Athens.....placed on the floor next to the slick money-counting travelagent.
I guess I'd appreciate Plundering My Soul a lot more if I heard it on the radio or something, while doing something completely else - because it's pretty good on it's own - but alas....there's *something fishy* about it.
....unless it's just me who's crabby this week.....because it IS a nice song...

you're 100% right.

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marcovandereijk
I've got no courage to read through 16 pages of reviews and comments, but I guess the
appreciation of any new song is influenced by peoples expectations before they heard it.
Those expectations are of course formed by the information we got beforehand.
Before we heard the song, we knew we would hear Nick Hopkins, Mick Taylor, Bill Wyman
and of course Keith and Charlie echoeing from the era that we all regard as their creative
zenith. We knew in advance that Mick had added new vocals.

I am sure this information effected all our expectations, prejudices and anticipations.
And then finally the song appears to us in all its glory. Those who feared Micks new
vocals would sound like new vocals, heard new vocals. Those who were wetting their
pants to hear some new licks from Taylor, heard new licks, Those who were anticipating
Bills steady basslines, were getting those as well.

So I guess the new song is more like a Rorschach's test. Whatever we write about it
tells more about ourselves then about the song.

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Erik_Snow
When first hearing Plundering My Soul, I couldn't get past the (IMO) POOR lyrics - and the obvious new vocals....not that I mind new vocals - but the whole thing sounded like an attempt of trying to recreate the "Exile-mood"....a bit forced.
Even wondered, and still wonder, if for instance the bassy horns are new overdubs....? If they are.....then it's forgery!
Anyway, I did get used to the new vocals after a few listens - and one can tell that Jagger (and also Charlie Watts) are the strongest bandmembers at this age; Jagger sings it well.....even if it's really different from the way he did it in 1972
So I have mixed emotions about it.....but all in all...I like Plundered My Soul - it has a nice groove....but it's impossible to just enjoy it and relax - like I can with other new & nice RS songs - like "Too Tight" - because Plundered seem like a bit of a bastard; like an antique, unique and slightly damaged work of art that has been copied and re-build up in plastic.....as a commercial for a travel-agency arranging flights to Athens.....placed on the floor next to the slick money-counting travelagent.
I guess I'd appreciate Plundering My Soul a lot more if I heard it on the radio or something, while doing something completely else - because it's pretty good on it's own - but alas....there's *something fishy* about it.
....unless it's just me who's crabby this week.....because it IS a nice song...

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Erik_Snow
When first hearing Plundering My Soul, I couldn't get past the (IMO) POOR lyrics - and the obvious new vocals....not that I mind new vocals - but the whole thing sounded like an attempt of trying to recreate the "Exile-mood"....a bit forced.
Even wondered, and still wonder, if for instance the bassy horns are new overdubs....? If they are.....then it's forgery!
Anyway, I did get used to the new vocals after a few listens - and one can tell that Jagger (and also Charlie Watts) are the strongest bandmembers at this age; Jagger sings it well.....even if it's really different from the way he did it in 1972
So I have mixed emotions about it.....but all in all...I like Plundered My Soul - it has a nice groove....but it's impossible to just enjoy it and relax - like I can with other new & nice RS songs - like "Too Tight" - because Plundered seem like a bit of a bastard; like an antique, unique and slightly damaged work of art that has been copied and re-build up in plastic.....as a commercial for a travel-agency arranging flights to Athens.....placed on the floor next to the slick money-counting travelagent.
I guess I'd appreciate Plundering My Soul a lot more if I heard it on the radio or something, while doing something completely else - because it's pretty good on it's own - but alas....there's *something fishy* about it.
....unless it's just me who's crabby this week.....because it IS a nice song...

I see what you mean, Erik, and that's exactly what I thought at the first few listens. And it's also true that this song seems just like an endless flow, very jam-like, and still ... that little bastard is a grower, slowly creeping in. I just bet, it'll get you too... just play it on your stereo (or if that doesn't help, think of Tattoo You ;-)

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marcovandereijk
I've got no courage to read through 16 pages of reviews and comments, but I guess the
appreciation of any new song is influenced by peoples expectations before they heard it.
Those expectations are of course formed by the information we got beforehand.
Before we heard the song, we knew we would hear Nick Hopkins, Mick Taylor, Bill Wyman
and of course Keith and Charlie echoeing from the era that we all regard as their creative
zenith. We knew in advance that Mick had added new vocals.

I am sure this information effected all our expectations, prejudices and anticipations.
And then finally the song appears to us in all its glory. Those who feared Micks new
vocals would sound like new vocals, heard new vocals. Those who were wetting their
pants to hear some new licks from Taylor, heard new licks, Those who were anticipating
Bills steady basslines, were getting those as well.

So I guess the new song is more like a Rorschach's test. Whatever we write about it
tells more about ourselves then about the song.

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ablett
And to be honest Stonestod you've repeated the same thing many, many times. Most enjoy it so leave it be.

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ablett
Thats good cause it would be a pain if it got borring eh son?

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marcovandereijk
I've got no courage to read through 16 pages of reviews and comments, but I guess the
appreciation of any new song is influenced by peoples expectations before they heard it.
Those expectations are of course formed by the information we got beforehand.
Before we heard the song, we knew we would hear Nick Hopkins, Mick Taylor, Bill Wyman
and of course Keith and Charlie echoeing from the era that we all regard as their creative
zenith. We knew in advance that Mick had added new vocals.

I am sure this information effected all our expectations, prejudices and anticipations.
And then finally the song appears to us in all its glory. Those who feared Micks new
vocals would sound like new vocals, heard new vocals. Those who were wetting their
pants to hear some new licks from Taylor, heard new licks, Those who were anticipating
Bills steady basslines, were getting those as well.

So I guess the new song is more like a Rorschach's test. Whatever we write about it
tells more about ourselves then about the song.

can't speak for others, but that's not the case for me. i've heard some recent jagger singing performances that i liked and i was hoping this would be an example of that; it's not. i don't prejudge music, but i know what i like and i don't like this at all.

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marcovandereijk
I've got no courage to read through 16 pages of reviews and comments, but I guess the
appreciation of any new song is influenced by peoples expectations before they heard it.
Those expectations are of course formed by the information we got beforehand.
Before we heard the song, we knew we would hear Nick Hopkins, Mick Taylor, Bill Wyman
and of course Keith and Charlie echoeing from the era that we all regard as their creative
zenith. We knew in advance that Mick had added new vocals.

I am sure this information effected all our expectations, prejudices and anticipations.
And then finally the song appears to us in all its glory. Those who feared Micks new
vocals would sound like new vocals, heard new vocals. Those who were wetting their
pants to hear some new licks from Taylor, heard new licks, Those who were anticipating
Bills steady basslines, were getting those as well.

So I guess the new song is more like a Rorschach's test. Whatever we write about it
tells more about ourselves then about the song.

can't speak for others, but that's not the case for me. i've heard some recent jagger singing performances that i liked and i was hoping this would be an example of that; it's not. i don't prejudge music, but i know what i like and i don't like this at all.

in regards to "some recent jagger singing performances" did you like or dislike jagger's singing with U2 at the rock and roll 25th anniversary ? just curious!

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marcovandereijk
I've got no courage to read through 16 pages of reviews and comments, but I guess the
appreciation of any new song is influenced by peoples expectations before they heard it.
Those expectations are of course formed by the information we got beforehand.
Before we heard the song, we knew we would hear Nick Hopkins, Mick Taylor, Bill Wyman
and of course Keith and Charlie echoeing from the era that we all regard as their creative
zenith. We knew in advance that Mick had added new vocals.

I am sure this information effected all our expectations, prejudices and anticipations.
And then finally the song appears to us in all its glory. Those who feared Micks new
vocals would sound like new vocals, heard new vocals. Those who were wetting their
pants to hear some new licks from Taylor, heard new licks, Those who were anticipating
Bills steady basslines, were getting those as well.

So I guess the new song is more like a Rorschach's test. Whatever we write about it
tells more about ourselves then about the song.

can't speak for others, but that's not the case for me. i've heard some recent jagger singing performances that i liked and i was hoping this would be an example of that; it's not. i don't prejudge music, but i know what i like and i don't like this at all.

in regards to "some recent jagger singing performances" did you like or dislike jagger's singing with U2 at the rock and roll 25th anniversary ? just curious!

i will not be grilled like a common criminal!!!! and i don't really remember where i was on the night of the 25th anniversary. if you have any further questions, you can speak to my attorney....

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marcovandereijk
I've got no courage to read through 16 pages of reviews and comments, but I guess the
appreciation of any new song is influenced by peoples expectations before they heard it.
Those expectations are of course formed by the information we got beforehand.
Before we heard the song, we knew we would hear Nick Hopkins, Mick Taylor, Bill Wyman
and of course Keith and Charlie echoeing from the era that we all regard as their creative
zenith. We knew in advance that Mick had added new vocals.

I am sure this information effected all our expectations, prejudices and anticipations.
And then finally the song appears to us in all its glory. Those who feared Micks new
vocals would sound like new vocals, heard new vocals. Those who were wetting their
pants to hear some new licks from Taylor, heard new licks, Those who were anticipating
Bills steady basslines, were getting those as well.

So I guess the new song is more like a Rorschach's test. Whatever we write about it
tells more about ourselves then about the song.

can't speak for others, but that's not the case for me. i've heard some recent jagger singing performances that i liked and i was hoping this would be an example of that; it's not. i don't prejudge music, but i know what i like and i don't like this at all.

in regards to "some recent jagger singing performances" did you like or dislike jagger's singing with U2 at the rock and roll 25th anniversary ? just curious!

i will not be grilled like a common criminal!!!! and i don't really remember where i was on the night of the 25th anniversary. if you have any further questions, you can speak to my attorney....

a little bit thin skinned today ?

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marcovandereijk
I've got no courage to read through 16 pages of reviews and comments, but I guess the
appreciation of any new song is influenced by peoples expectations before they heard it.
Those expectations are of course formed by the information we got beforehand.
Before we heard the song, we knew we would hear Nick Hopkins, Mick Taylor, Bill Wyman
and of course Keith and Charlie echoeing from the era that we all regard as their creative
zenith. We knew in advance that Mick had added new vocals.

I am sure this information effected all our expectations, prejudices and anticipations.
And then finally the song appears to us in all its glory. Those who feared Micks new
vocals would sound like new vocals, heard new vocals. Those who were wetting their
pants to hear some new licks from Taylor, heard new licks, Those who were anticipating
Bills steady basslines, were getting those as well.

So I guess the new song is more like a Rorschach's test. Whatever we write about it
tells more about ourselves then about the song.

can't speak for others, but that's not the case for me. i've heard some recent jagger singing performances that i liked and i was hoping this would be an example of that; it's not. i don't prejudge music, but i know what i like and i don't like this at all.

in regards to "some recent jagger singing performances" did you like or dislike jagger's singing with U2 at the rock and roll 25th anniversary ? just curious!

i will not be grilled like a common criminal!!!! and i don't really remember where i was on the night of the 25th anniversary. if you have any further questions, you can speak to my attorney....

a little bit thin skinned today ?

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marcovandereijk
I've got no courage to read through 16 pages of reviews and comments, but I guess the
appreciation of any new song is influenced by peoples expectations before they heard it.
Those expectations are of course formed by the information we got beforehand.
Before we heard the song, we knew we would hear Nick Hopkins, Mick Taylor, Bill Wyman
and of course Keith and Charlie echoeing from the era that we all regard as their creative
zenith. We knew in advance that Mick had added new vocals.

I am sure this information effected all our expectations, prejudices and anticipations.
And then finally the song appears to us in all its glory. Those who feared Micks new
vocals would sound like new vocals, heard new vocals. Those who were wetting their
pants to hear some new licks from Taylor, heard new licks, Those who were anticipating
Bills steady basslines, were getting those as well.

So I guess the new song is more like a Rorschach's test. Whatever we write about it
tells more about ourselves then about the song.

can't speak for others, but that's not the case for me. i've heard some recent jagger singing performances that i liked and i was hoping this would be an example of that; it's not. i don't prejudge music, but i know what i like and i don't like this at all.

in regards to "some recent jagger singing performances" did you like or dislike jagger's singing with U2 at the rock and roll 25th anniversary ? just curious!

i will not be grilled like a common criminal!!!! and i don't really remember where i was on the night of the 25th anniversary. if you have any further questions, you can speak to my attorney....

a little bit thin skinned today ?

it's all this harrassment from ablett. i know i shouldn't let it upset me, but i have this sensitive side to me that, with just a little provocation, leads to the thinning of the skin. do you have any tissues?

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If the Stones did this on the Jimmy Falon Show it would never sound the same since Mick Taylor does the lead parts. Ron Wood in his dreams could not play like Mick Taylor. No offense Ron.

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<<just play it on your stereo (or if that doesn't help, think of Tattoo You) >>

Yes....like kissing a dog, eyes closed, and think about ones ex-girlfriend !

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My brief summation, after some time has passed, is that on first listen one hears all the flaws: The new Jagger vocal, the weak intro, etc. But then something wondrous happens: It starts it to sink in and possess you with its groove and catchiness. It infests you. You wake up with it in your head. You pull out a guitar to figure out the chords. This is precisely what a Rolling Stones song SHOULD do - and HASN'T done (to me at least) - for years. I remain convinced that that particular combination of individuals playing results in an alchemy that transcends even a fairly modest tune. In a word - I still love it!

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71Tele
My brief summation, after some time has passed, is that on first listen one hears all the flaws: The new Jagger vocal, the weak intro, etc. But then something wondrous happens: It starts it to sink in and possess you with its groove and catchiness. It infests you. You wake up with it in your head. You pull out a guitar to figure out the chords. This is precisely what a Rolling Stones song SHOULD do - and HASN'T done (to me at least) - for years. I remain convinced that that particular combination of individuals playing results in an alchemy that transcends even a fairly modest tune. In a word - I still love it!

you? meaning us? me? or just you?

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71Tele
My brief summation, after some time has passed, is that on first listen one hears all the flaws: The new Jagger vocal, the weak intro, etc. But then something wondrous happens: It starts it to sink in and possess you with its groove and catchiness. It infests you. You wake up with it in your head. You pull out a guitar to figure out the chords. This is precisely what a Rolling Stones song SHOULD do - and HASN'T done (to me at least) - for years. I remain convinced that that particular combination of individuals playing results in an alchemy that transcends even a fairly modest tune. In a word - I still love it!

you? meaning us? me? or just you?

yes, it does. thank you. i was seriously concerned that this was all happening to me without realizing it. what a relief.

Yes, my use of the second person singular was a little confusing. My 8th grade English teacher would have disapproved. But to answer your question, me, and "you" second-person meaning "one hears the groove, and one begins to be captivated by it", not you personally StonesTod, I don't claim to speak for you.

Hope that clears things up somewhat.