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They can't, as they don't own the rights to the 60s material.
It did here in the Midwest. For a minute and a half.
good stuff, title 5 is grooooovy
Unfortunately, this is the case for all the 2009 Universal remastered CDs : don't need to buy them, just push the "loudness" button on your stereo with a Virgin 1994 CD and the result is quite the same !
West Michigan. The also-ran Classic Rock station played it briefly between stnts of Skynyrd and Pink Floyd.
he raise some good points in this review, particularly regarding the outtakes. i'm not sure how he would know DIL is Four and In (thought that was a GHS outtake). it's obvious though mick wanted to "surprise" listeners with some cuts not even found on previous boots, which is fine, but it shouldn't have been to the detriment of the overall release. though i think mick deserves credit for putting such an effort into finding previously unheard material. the reviewers comments about PMS's faces-like sound is funny because only mick would choose to bring taylor in to play on a track that sounds like it could've came from the band his current guitarist (who replaced taylor) was a member of, a touch ironic i think. so maybe mick taylor should replace ronnie in any faces reunion (since ronnie already has a gig-well, sort of...lol),this would sort of bring it all around full circle!
nice video, too bad for them the CD is a dying sound format, probably why they are offering so many different packages and other merch. with the CD. it feels maybe, though hope i am wrong, this is happening about a decade or so too late. i think they will regret not putting out an vinyl version of the new tracks. i guess by not doing that they feel it will create (or force) more CD sales, time will tell if that strategy works.
The original album was not mastered well. It is brickwalled as all 2009 remasters. Just painful listening experience.
Bonus tracks are mixed. Some are OK. The others are awful. New vocals over old basic tracks does not sound right. Still do not believe that Following The River meant to be this way in 1972. It sounds like late M.Jagger solo track. Hardly listen to that one over the years.
Congratulations with CIMD Deluxe. That one is very close to perfection!
It could be Nicky. It just never sounded vintage to my ears. The thing is when I ask an alleged source if Clifford plays on it and he compliments me for working it out and tells me Clifford "enhanced" the track so Mick had a proper melody to build a song, I believe him. He could be telling the truth or he could be stringing me along by telling me something that will sound credible to me.
Again, just my guesswork. My only proof is what my ears and head tell me.
I must have missed it, is his name on the credits?
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Re: The Rolling Stones “Exile on Main Street Deluxe Edition”: First listen
Posted by:
micawber
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Date: April 19, 2010 13:50
Quote
WeLoveYou
I quite like the idea of the Stones using outtakes and then dressing them up for release. They could come up with a lot of 'new' material this way. Surely it doesn't matter if the outtakes are old...they created the material, what they do with it is up to them.
They could use 1960s outtakes and add new instrument / vocal parts....could be interesting, and we'd get a few good new albums this way.
They can't, as they don't own the rights to the 60s material.
Re: The Rolling Stones “Exile on Main Street Deluxe Edition”: First listen
Posted by:
R
()
Date: April 19, 2010 15:33
Quote
tatters
Will the new tracks even GET played on the radio? Rough Justice didn't get played on the radio. Not even on classic rock stations.
It did here in the Midwest. For a minute and a half.
Re: The Rolling Stones “Exile on Main Street Deluxe Edition”: First listen
Posted by:
theimposter
()
Date: April 19, 2010 16:40
Where in the midwest, R? I was living in Evansville, IN at the time of its release and it got played on the local rock radio there for about a week.
Re: The Rolling Stones “Exile on Main Street Deluxe Edition”: First listen
Posted by:
FreeBird
()
Date: April 19, 2010 19:17
Grr... Kill them all!Quote
riccardo99
Just read that the Japan Exile Super Deluxe set will have one additional track......
Re: The Rolling Stones “Exile on Main Street Deluxe Edition”: First listen
Posted by:
Rocky Dijon
()
Date: April 19, 2010 20:46
In Cleveland, "Rough Justice," "Streets of Love," "Back of My Hand," "Oh No, Not You Again," and "Rain Fall Down" received radio airplay.
Re: The Rolling Stones “Exile on Main Street Deluxe Edition”: First listen
Posted by:
maumau
()
Date: April 20, 2010 16:20
Quote
Gazza
Apologies if this has been posted on another thread. I cant be arsed looking through them all.
If it hasnt, then enjoy (hopefully).
Samples (not quite hi-fi quality, but listenable enough) from the bonus CD which were kindly linked by OD On Exile over on Rocks Off this afternoon ( [rocksoff.org] )
'Pass The Wine', 'I Aint Signifying', 'Dancing In The Light', 'So Divine (Aladdin Story)', 'Following The River' and 'Title 5'.
good stuff, title 5 is grooooovy
"Bucketful of Brains" magazine Exile review
Posted by:
johnnythunders
()
Date: May 11, 2010 10:48
Exile On Main Street
The Rolling Stones
Universal Records 2CD set
This re-release comes in a bewildering variety of formats from single CD to box-set-multiple-vinyl-free-DVD-plus-T-shirt-give-us-all-your-money-limited-edition. The 2CD version pairs the eighteen songs from the original 1972 release with a second CD of ten further songs recorded there or thereabouts (rumours of extensive contemporary re-recording persist).
Virgin did a good Bob Ludwig remaster of the original release in 1994 and by comparison CD1 here sounds pretty much the same only louder. Of the 'new' tracks on CD2 some are mere curiosities to play once such as the instrumental Title 5, an early version of Soul Survivor where a half-hearted Keith Richards vocal degenerates into “Etcetera, Etcetera” and a slovenly out-take of Loving Cup. Good Time Woman realises belatedly that it wants to turn into Tumbling Dice the way a caterpillar wants to turn into a glittering dragonfly. The Japanese release will additionally feature an unrefined early version of All Down The Line.
More successful are the songs not officially released before. I’m Not Signifying is a relaxed and effective blues built around Nicky Hopkins bar-room piano and Jaggers’ mouth-harp. Despite being the most unlimited limited-release in vinyl history Plundered My Soul swaggers in all the right places and highlights some fabulous Mick Taylor fills and cool Jagger lyrics, whilst being oddly reminiscent of Ooh La La-era Faces. Pass The Wine plonks a recently-recorded Jagger vocal over a 1971 instrumental called Sophia Loren to create a latiny groove that goes nowhere at some length, thus saying “Mick Jagger solo LP”. Original Stone Ian Stewart playing piano on Dancing In The Light (aka Four And In) is a nice surprise and a further 60’s reference is the resemblance between So Divine and Paint it, Black. A final highlight is Following The River, the most convincing ballad here with more delicious Nicky Hopkins piano and a lovelorn Jagger.
Jagger has made it clear that any further excavation of the Stones capacious vaults depends upon this release being a commercial success. So on that basis I hope it sells. But three successes out of ten tracks is a poor strike-rate. Where is Fast Talking Slow Walking, Key To The Highway, 32-20 Blues, When You Got A Good Friend, the acoustic All Down The Line, even the ‘drunken’ Loving Cup or Exile On Main Street Blues? Compare this to the recent Raw Power re-release and weep.
The Rolling Stones
Universal Records 2CD set
This re-release comes in a bewildering variety of formats from single CD to box-set-multiple-vinyl-free-DVD-plus-T-shirt-give-us-all-your-money-limited-edition. The 2CD version pairs the eighteen songs from the original 1972 release with a second CD of ten further songs recorded there or thereabouts (rumours of extensive contemporary re-recording persist).
Virgin did a good Bob Ludwig remaster of the original release in 1994 and by comparison CD1 here sounds pretty much the same only louder. Of the 'new' tracks on CD2 some are mere curiosities to play once such as the instrumental Title 5, an early version of Soul Survivor where a half-hearted Keith Richards vocal degenerates into “Etcetera, Etcetera” and a slovenly out-take of Loving Cup. Good Time Woman realises belatedly that it wants to turn into Tumbling Dice the way a caterpillar wants to turn into a glittering dragonfly. The Japanese release will additionally feature an unrefined early version of All Down The Line.
More successful are the songs not officially released before. I’m Not Signifying is a relaxed and effective blues built around Nicky Hopkins bar-room piano and Jaggers’ mouth-harp. Despite being the most unlimited limited-release in vinyl history Plundered My Soul swaggers in all the right places and highlights some fabulous Mick Taylor fills and cool Jagger lyrics, whilst being oddly reminiscent of Ooh La La-era Faces. Pass The Wine plonks a recently-recorded Jagger vocal over a 1971 instrumental called Sophia Loren to create a latiny groove that goes nowhere at some length, thus saying “Mick Jagger solo LP”. Original Stone Ian Stewart playing piano on Dancing In The Light (aka Four And In) is a nice surprise and a further 60’s reference is the resemblance between So Divine and Paint it, Black. A final highlight is Following The River, the most convincing ballad here with more delicious Nicky Hopkins piano and a lovelorn Jagger.
Jagger has made it clear that any further excavation of the Stones capacious vaults depends upon this release being a commercial success. So on that basis I hope it sells. But three successes out of ten tracks is a poor strike-rate. Where is Fast Talking Slow Walking, Key To The Highway, 32-20 Blues, When You Got A Good Friend, the acoustic All Down The Line, even the ‘drunken’ Loving Cup or Exile On Main Street Blues? Compare this to the recent Raw Power re-release and weep.
Re: "Bucketful of Brains" magazine Exile review
Posted by:
Massimo68
()
Date: May 11, 2010 13:27
Quote
johnnythunders
Virgin did a good Bob Ludwig remaster of the original release in 1994 and by comparison CD1 here sounds pretty much the same only louder.
Unfortunately, this is the case for all the 2009 Universal remastered CDs : don't need to buy them, just push the "loudness" button on your stereo with a Virgin 1994 CD and the result is quite the same !
Re: The Rolling Stones “Exile on Main Street Deluxe Edition”: First listen
Posted by:
R
()
Date: May 11, 2010 15:30
Quote
theimposter
Where in the midwest, R? I was living in Evansville, IN at the time of its release and it got played on the local rock radio there for about a week.
West Michigan. The also-ran Classic Rock station played it briefly between stnts of Skynyrd and Pink Floyd.
Re: The Rolling Stones “Exile on Main Street Deluxe Edition”: First listen
Posted by:
maumau
()
Date: May 11, 2010 17:08
i am curious about the strings on following the river, are they "original" or new and if the latter, are they "real" or "cliffordised"?
Re: The Rolling Stones “Exile on Main Street Deluxe Edition”: First listen
Posted by:
maumau
()
Date: May 11, 2010 18:13
video: [www.youtube.com]
Re: "Bucketful of Brains" magazine Exile review
Posted by:
kissinc***incannes
()
Date: May 11, 2010 18:35
Quote
johnnythunders
Exile On Main Street
The Rolling Stones
Universal Records 2CD set
This re-release comes in a bewildering variety of formats from single CD to box-set-multiple-vinyl-free-DVD-plus-T-shirt-give-us-all-your-money-limited-edition. The 2CD version pairs the eighteen songs from the original 1972 release with a second CD of ten further songs recorded there or thereabouts (rumours of extensive contemporary re-recording persist).
Virgin did a good Bob Ludwig remaster of the original release in 1994 and by comparison CD1 here sounds pretty much the same only louder. Of the 'new' tracks on CD2 some are mere curiosities to play once such as the instrumental Title 5, an early version of Soul Survivor where a half-hearted Keith Richards vocal degenerates into “Etcetera, Etcetera” and a slovenly out-take of Loving Cup. Good Time Woman realises belatedly that it wants to turn into Tumbling Dice the way a caterpillar wants to turn into a glittering dragonfly. The Japanese release will additionally feature an unrefined early version of All Down The Line.
More successful are the songs not officially released before. I’m Not Signifying is a relaxed and effective blues built around Nicky Hopkins bar-room piano and Jaggers’ mouth-harp. Despite being the most unlimited limited-release in vinyl history Plundered My Soul swaggers in all the right places and highlights some fabulous Mick Taylor fills and cool Jagger lyrics, whilst being oddly reminiscent of Ooh La La-era Faces. Pass The Wine plonks a recently-recorded Jagger vocal over a 1971 instrumental called Sophia Loren to create a latiny groove that goes nowhere at some length, thus saying “Mick Jagger solo LP”. Original Stone Ian Stewart playing piano on Dancing In The Light (aka Four And In) is a nice surprise and a further 60’s reference is the resemblance between So Divine and Paint it, Black. A final highlight is Following The River, the most convincing ballad here with more delicious Nicky Hopkins piano and a lovelorn Jagger.
Jagger has made it clear that any further excavation of the Stones capacious vaults depends upon this release being a commercial success. So on that basis I hope it sells. But three successes out of ten tracks is a poor strike-rate. Where is Fast Talking Slow Walking, Key To The Highway, 32-20 Blues, When You Got A Good Friend, the acoustic All Down The Line, even the ‘drunken’ Loving Cup or Exile On Main Street Blues? Compare this to the recent Raw Power re-release and weep.
he raise some good points in this review, particularly regarding the outtakes. i'm not sure how he would know DIL is Four and In (thought that was a GHS outtake). it's obvious though mick wanted to "surprise" listeners with some cuts not even found on previous boots, which is fine, but it shouldn't have been to the detriment of the overall release. though i think mick deserves credit for putting such an effort into finding previously unheard material. the reviewers comments about PMS's faces-like sound is funny because only mick would choose to bring taylor in to play on a track that sounds like it could've came from the band his current guitarist (who replaced taylor) was a member of, a touch ironic i think. so maybe mick taylor should replace ronnie in any faces reunion (since ronnie already has a gig-well, sort of...lol),this would sort of bring it all around full circle!
Re: The Rolling Stones “Exile on Main Street Deluxe Edition”: First listen
Posted by:
kissinc***incannes
()
Date: May 11, 2010 18:41
nice video, too bad for them the CD is a dying sound format, probably why they are offering so many different packages and other merch. with the CD. it feels maybe, though hope i am wrong, this is happening about a decade or so too late. i think they will regret not putting out an vinyl version of the new tracks. i guess by not doing that they feel it will create (or force) more CD sales, time will tell if that strategy works.
Re: The Rolling Stones “Exile on Main Street Deluxe Edition”: First listen
Posted by:
andrewm
()
Date: May 13, 2010 01:17
My local record store got their copies today and consented to sell me one five days early, gonna spin it in a minute. First thought, looking at the booklet is that there are some great shots, all, I presume from the Exile book by Tarle, but that I have never seen before: a couple of Keith with the Dan Armstrong strapped on and four of the interchangeable DA pickups sitting across from him, one of Keys and Price recording horns, Nicky sitting at the piano with a cushion on the seat, Charlie at the piano (!), etc.
Now to get "prepared" and give it a listen !
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Now to get "prepared" and give it a listen !
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-05-13 02:34 by andrewm.
Re: The Rolling Stones “Exile on Main Street Deluxe Edition”: First listen
Posted by:
Gazza
()
Date: May 13, 2010 17:10
Another review - thanks to Ted (51Nocaster) from the Steve Hoffman forums for sending me this link to his blog
[myvinylreview.blogspot.com]
[myvinylreview.blogspot.com]
Re: "Bucketful of Brains" magazine Exile review
Posted by:
Rip This
()
Date: May 13, 2010 17:36
Quote
Massimo68
Unfortunately, this is the case for all the 2009 Universal remastered CDs : don't need to buy them, just push the "loudness" button on your stereo with a Virgin 1994 CD and the result is quite the same !
Re: The Rolling Stones “Exile on Main Street Deluxe Edition”: First listen
Posted by:
Happy24
()
Date: June 7, 2010 09:56
Si I finally got the deluxe edition form my local CD store and finally heard the "new" Exile and the new tracks.
The Exile is great as always of course, but to be honest, I am not one of those who compare the old release with the new one, so I don't find it dramatically different. Which is good.
The reason to buy this release for me was the bonus CD. And I have to say I was impressed, I really like it, it holds together very well and really works for me as an album. I will risk and say that we finally really got the best album since Tattoo You (after hearing this about each new album :-). Strangely the track I like the least right now is Plundered My Soul - sounds a bit overdone to me - especially the vocals are somehow too screamy or how to say it, I don't really like the backing vocals. I think it si just a bit too much. The rest of the album has the sketchy feeling of the Exile with slightly drowned vocals, PMS just sounds different. I don't mean to say that I don't like it, or even that I would skip it. Not at all, just want to say I like the rest more. But it is true that I listened to the CD only 5 times or so and it needs many more spins and I know well that some songs you get tired of after a while, while other songs grow on you. So I will see.
What I would really love to know is what is new and what is original on those bonus tracs. I think one can roughly say that a lot of the music is original and a lot of the vocals are new (not Keith's of course), but I am sure there is some detailed analysis somewhere here - would someone piont me in the right direction?
So the deluxe edition is a great treat according to me and it will stay in my stereo for some time. It is a pitty that they don't treat all the new releases this way - I would go and buy them all. I just hope we will get some more - LIB and SF would be the obvious choices, but I would take any album treated this way.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-06-07 10:05 by Happy24.
The Exile is great as always of course, but to be honest, I am not one of those who compare the old release with the new one, so I don't find it dramatically different. Which is good.
The reason to buy this release for me was the bonus CD. And I have to say I was impressed, I really like it, it holds together very well and really works for me as an album. I will risk and say that we finally really got the best album since Tattoo You (after hearing this about each new album :-). Strangely the track I like the least right now is Plundered My Soul - sounds a bit overdone to me - especially the vocals are somehow too screamy or how to say it, I don't really like the backing vocals. I think it si just a bit too much. The rest of the album has the sketchy feeling of the Exile with slightly drowned vocals, PMS just sounds different. I don't mean to say that I don't like it, or even that I would skip it. Not at all, just want to say I like the rest more. But it is true that I listened to the CD only 5 times or so and it needs many more spins and I know well that some songs you get tired of after a while, while other songs grow on you. So I will see.
What I would really love to know is what is new and what is original on those bonus tracs. I think one can roughly say that a lot of the music is original and a lot of the vocals are new (not Keith's of course), but I am sure there is some detailed analysis somewhere here - would someone piont me in the right direction?
So the deluxe edition is a great treat according to me and it will stay in my stereo for some time. It is a pitty that they don't treat all the new releases this way - I would go and buy them all. I just hope we will get some more - LIB and SF would be the obvious choices, but I would take any album treated this way.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-06-07 10:05 by Happy24.
Re: The Rolling Stones “Exile on Main Street Deluxe Edition”: First listen
Posted by:
padre69
()
Date: March 22, 2020 13:51
I promised myself when this came out that I won't jump into this wagon. Not this time. I've got enough versions of this gem already.
But somehow this coronathing has got me hoarding Stones boxes I've avoided before. Last week I got the mono box, Charlie I My Darling is on the way and yesterday I got the Super Deluxe edition of EOMS.
What was the verdict with you specialists on this one? Did the remastering do justice to the album? And did they REALLY do overdubs on the original album as well (adding backup singing on TD etc)?!
You most likely did this conversation 10 years ago, so sorry to grad you into this again....
But somehow this coronathing has got me hoarding Stones boxes I've avoided before. Last week I got the mono box, Charlie I My Darling is on the way and yesterday I got the Super Deluxe edition of EOMS.
What was the verdict with you specialists on this one? Did the remastering do justice to the album? And did they REALLY do overdubs on the original album as well (adding backup singing on TD etc)?!
You most likely did this conversation 10 years ago, so sorry to grad you into this again....
Re: The Rolling Stones “Exile on Main Street Deluxe Edition”: First listen
Posted by:
ironbelly
()
Date: March 22, 2020 20:23
Mixed emotions from the very 1st day.Quote
padre69
I promised myself when this came out that I won't jump into this wagon. Not this time. I've got enough versions of this gem already.
But somehow this coronathing has got me hoarding Stones boxes I've avoided before. Last week I got the mono box, Charlie I My Darling is on the way and yesterday I got the Super Deluxe edition of EOMS.
What was the verdict with you specialists on this one? Did the remastering do justice to the album? And did they REALLY do overdubs on the original album as well (adding backup singing on TD etc)?!
You most likely did this conversation 10 years ago, so sorry to grad you into this again....
The original album was not mastered well. It is brickwalled as all 2009 remasters. Just painful listening experience.
Bonus tracks are mixed. Some are OK. The others are awful. New vocals over old basic tracks does not sound right. Still do not believe that Following The River meant to be this way in 1972. It sounds like late M.Jagger solo track. Hardly listen to that one over the years.
Congratulations with CIMD Deluxe. That one is very close to perfection!
Re: The Rolling Stones “Exile on Main Street Deluxe Edition”: First listen
Posted by:
Rocky Dijon
()
Date: March 22, 2020 21:50
The original album was untouched apart from the brickwalling consistent with the rest of the back catalog issued the year before.
"Pass the Wine" and "Plundered My Soul" work well. You'd never think Mick's vocals or lyrics were vintage, but (like Mr. Taylor's lead guitar on the latter track) the overdubs are a plus. Lisa Fischer and Cindy Mizelle (a nice return for her after 20 years) are fine, though the pair never sound as full as Dr. John's Watts Street gospel singers on the original album. Don Was mixes Bobby and Jim Price so differently to the original album that the horns seem jarring and I initially thought they were modern overdubs.
"Following the River" was the one I suspected was a fake. Nothing about it sounded vintage to my ears. Ultimately I was told (yeah I know, cue Fake News cries from expected corners) that an outtake of Nicky playing had been "enhanced" by piano overdubs by Matt Clifford so that Mick had a proper melody to work with. The result was a completely modern Jagger solo ballad to me. It made me appreciate "Streets of Love," actually.
"I'm Not Signifying" is a hybrid and a partially successful one. I thought Mick and Don Was did a terrific job of blending Mick's vintage vocal and modern overdub. The results were seamless. Mick's finished lyrics were pretty pedestrian, though. I would say the same about their work the following year on SOME GIRLS DELUXE (seamless vocal overdubs, but the new lyrics landed with a dull thud). This one was the worst of the tracks with horns. Nothing about Don's remix worked for me when it came to the horns. It was as if he never listened to the original album. Mick's blues harp, while fine in and of itself, was the most jarring part because it was Mick's style of playing for the past 30 years and nothing like how he played at the time of EXILE. Compare it to "Stop Breaking Down" for instance and you'll immediately see what I mean.
"So Divine" and "Dancing in the Light" are problems. Take two well-circulated backing tracks and let Mick treat them like toss-off B-sides when it comes to lyrics several decades on. The percussion overdub on "So Divine" is actually painful to listen to and sounds like someone spilled an abrasive on the track when it was overdubbed. The lyrics to "Dancing in the Light" aren't half-bad at first with Mick trying to get into the spirit of "Soul Survivor" a bit with nautical references giving way to "Mutiny on the Bounty." However, after a couple minutes he's just winging it and growing progressively more desperate. This same problem hurts a number of the SOME GIRLS DELUXE tracks the following year. The trouble is if Mick shut up and let you just hear the track, you'd realize these songs were never really finished and don't go anywhere. Both are bad, "So Divine" is worse. Mick's lyrics generally betray the fact that he made little effort to stay in period when writing.
"Good Time Women" is fine. Don Was' mix isn't appreciably different than the circulating outtake. The "Loving Cup" outtake isn't really essential to me and the splice is painfully evident. The Keith guide vocal to "Soul Survivor" is pretty pointless and the mix on this early version is so dull compared to the album track that this is my second least favorite track on here. Of value only to people who think "Andrew's Blues" is still cool and cheer during the "F" bomb in "Through and Through." The surf guitar instrumental fragment is a joke and not even from the period of 1969-1971. A waste of space.
As for the "All Down the Line" outtake which was available as a download, it was interesting since it hadn't circulated before. A pity the marathon acoustic version wasn't granted an official release. Both of those deserved a spot on the album. The "Shine a Light" outtake issued on DCC's reissue of Leon Russell's first album under the title "Get a Line on You" should have been included as well. Overall, I would have been happier if the disc had been:
1. Pass the Wine
2. Plundered My Soul
3. I'm Not Signifying (with horns mixed properly and no blues harp overdub)
4. All Down the Line (acoustic)
5. All Down the Line (electric outtake)
6. Get a Line on You
7. Fragile
8. Good Time Women
9. Hillside Blues
10. Traveling Man
11. Exile on Main Street Blues (circulating edit)
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2020-03-22 21:56 by Rocky Dijon.
"Pass the Wine" and "Plundered My Soul" work well. You'd never think Mick's vocals or lyrics were vintage, but (like Mr. Taylor's lead guitar on the latter track) the overdubs are a plus. Lisa Fischer and Cindy Mizelle (a nice return for her after 20 years) are fine, though the pair never sound as full as Dr. John's Watts Street gospel singers on the original album. Don Was mixes Bobby and Jim Price so differently to the original album that the horns seem jarring and I initially thought they were modern overdubs.
"Following the River" was the one I suspected was a fake. Nothing about it sounded vintage to my ears. Ultimately I was told (yeah I know, cue Fake News cries from expected corners) that an outtake of Nicky playing had been "enhanced" by piano overdubs by Matt Clifford so that Mick had a proper melody to work with. The result was a completely modern Jagger solo ballad to me. It made me appreciate "Streets of Love," actually.
"I'm Not Signifying" is a hybrid and a partially successful one. I thought Mick and Don Was did a terrific job of blending Mick's vintage vocal and modern overdub. The results were seamless. Mick's finished lyrics were pretty pedestrian, though. I would say the same about their work the following year on SOME GIRLS DELUXE (seamless vocal overdubs, but the new lyrics landed with a dull thud). This one was the worst of the tracks with horns. Nothing about Don's remix worked for me when it came to the horns. It was as if he never listened to the original album. Mick's blues harp, while fine in and of itself, was the most jarring part because it was Mick's style of playing for the past 30 years and nothing like how he played at the time of EXILE. Compare it to "Stop Breaking Down" for instance and you'll immediately see what I mean.
"So Divine" and "Dancing in the Light" are problems. Take two well-circulated backing tracks and let Mick treat them like toss-off B-sides when it comes to lyrics several decades on. The percussion overdub on "So Divine" is actually painful to listen to and sounds like someone spilled an abrasive on the track when it was overdubbed. The lyrics to "Dancing in the Light" aren't half-bad at first with Mick trying to get into the spirit of "Soul Survivor" a bit with nautical references giving way to "Mutiny on the Bounty." However, after a couple minutes he's just winging it and growing progressively more desperate. This same problem hurts a number of the SOME GIRLS DELUXE tracks the following year. The trouble is if Mick shut up and let you just hear the track, you'd realize these songs were never really finished and don't go anywhere. Both are bad, "So Divine" is worse. Mick's lyrics generally betray the fact that he made little effort to stay in period when writing.
"Good Time Women" is fine. Don Was' mix isn't appreciably different than the circulating outtake. The "Loving Cup" outtake isn't really essential to me and the splice is painfully evident. The Keith guide vocal to "Soul Survivor" is pretty pointless and the mix on this early version is so dull compared to the album track that this is my second least favorite track on here. Of value only to people who think "Andrew's Blues" is still cool and cheer during the "F" bomb in "Through and Through." The surf guitar instrumental fragment is a joke and not even from the period of 1969-1971. A waste of space.
As for the "All Down the Line" outtake which was available as a download, it was interesting since it hadn't circulated before. A pity the marathon acoustic version wasn't granted an official release. Both of those deserved a spot on the album. The "Shine a Light" outtake issued on DCC's reissue of Leon Russell's first album under the title "Get a Line on You" should have been included as well. Overall, I would have been happier if the disc had been:
1. Pass the Wine
2. Plundered My Soul
3. I'm Not Signifying (with horns mixed properly and no blues harp overdub)
4. All Down the Line (acoustic)
5. All Down the Line (electric outtake)
6. Get a Line on You
7. Fragile
8. Good Time Women
9. Hillside Blues
10. Traveling Man
11. Exile on Main Street Blues (circulating edit)
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2020-03-22 21:56 by Rocky Dijon.
Re: The Rolling Stones “Exile on Main Street Deluxe Edition”: First listen
Posted by:
liddas
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Date: March 22, 2020 22:43
Very much agree with all Rocky wrote.
Only exception is that I do like following the river. I know, I know, don’t say anything.
Yet, I like it.
C
Only exception is that I do like following the river. I know, I know, don’t say anything.
Yet, I like it.
C
Re: The Rolling Stones “Exile on Main Street Deluxe Edition”: First listen
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: March 23, 2020 00:03
If Matt played the piano, how did he make the piano sound that way? It sounds old, even for 1971, imo.
Not saying it's Nicky, but I always thought it was.
Not saying it's Nicky, but I always thought it was.
Re: The Rolling Stones “Exile on Main Street Deluxe Edition”: First listen
Posted by:
TravelinMan
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Date: March 23, 2020 00:40
I’m going to have to revisit this. Signifying: his lyrics are pedestrian? That’s because he probably didn’t even write them down and sang them when they were putting the song together. I don’t remember hearing any new vox, but I’ll check again.
TBH, I’ve been too caught up in the Dallas Rehearsals (actual outtakes) to comb over this again.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2020-03-23 00:41 by TravelinMan.
TBH, I’ve been too caught up in the Dallas Rehearsals (actual outtakes) to comb over this again.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2020-03-23 00:41 by TravelinMan.
Re: The Rolling Stones “Exile on Main Street Deluxe Edition”: First listen
Posted by:
Rocky Dijon
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Date: March 23, 2020 02:35
Quote
DandelionPowderman
If Matt played the piano, how did he make the piano sound that way? It sounds old, even for 1971, imo.
Not saying it's Nicky, but I always thought it was.
It could be Nicky. It just never sounded vintage to my ears. The thing is when I ask an alleged source if Clifford plays on it and he compliments me for working it out and tells me Clifford "enhanced" the track so Mick had a proper melody to build a song, I believe him. He could be telling the truth or he could be stringing me along by telling me something that will sound credible to me.
Re: The Rolling Stones “Exile on Main Street Deluxe Edition”: First listen
Posted by:
Rocky Dijon
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Date: March 23, 2020 02:37
Quote
TravelinMan
I’m going to have to revisit this. Signifying: I don’t remember hearing any new vox, but I’ll check again.
Again, just my guesswork. My only proof is what my ears and head tell me.
Re: The Rolling Stones “Exile on Main Street Deluxe Edition”: First listen
Posted by:
TravelinMan
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Date: March 23, 2020 04:21
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Rocky DijonQuote
DandelionPowderman
If Matt played the piano, how did he make the piano sound that way? It sounds old, even for 1971, imo.
Not saying it's Nicky, but I always thought it was.
It could be Nicky. It just never sounded vintage to my ears. The thing is when I ask an alleged source if Clifford plays on it and he compliments me for working it out and tells me Clifford "enhanced" the track so Mick had a proper melody to build a song, I believe him. He could be telling the truth or he could be stringing me along by telling me something that will sound credible to me.
I must have missed it, is his name on the credits?
Re: The Rolling Stones “Exile on Main Street Deluxe Edition”: First listen
Posted by:
retired_dog
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Date: March 23, 2020 04:22
My problem with the bonus disc is not whether Matt or Nicky played on a tune or if Matt enhanced Nicky's playing with overdubs or whether Mick's blues harp does not sound like 1972 - these are minor details for me because other issues are far more apparent in my book:
1. The choice of material in general - see Rocky's list as an example of a far more satisfying set,
2. Mick's strained, overstretched and unnatural sounding vocal delivery on certain tracks like Dancing In The Light and Following The River which sounds miles away from his 1972 vocal coolness (obviously either unnoticed by the producer or due to the producer lacking the balls to tell him), and,
3. in addition to 2. the fact that Mick's vocals are way to high in the mix of all tracks that have "recently recorded" vocals, totally unlike the way they were mixed on the original album.
All in all, more indicators that Don Was is not the right producer for this band.
1. The choice of material in general - see Rocky's list as an example of a far more satisfying set,
2. Mick's strained, overstretched and unnatural sounding vocal delivery on certain tracks like Dancing In The Light and Following The River which sounds miles away from his 1972 vocal coolness (obviously either unnoticed by the producer or due to the producer lacking the balls to tell him), and,
3. in addition to 2. the fact that Mick's vocals are way to high in the mix of all tracks that have "recently recorded" vocals, totally unlike the way they were mixed on the original album.
All in all, more indicators that Don Was is not the right producer for this band.
Re: The Rolling Stones “Exile on Main Street Deluxe Edition”: First listen
Posted by:
24FPS
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Date: March 23, 2020 04:34
I think the Virgin '94 EOMS CD is better. The BEST, that I've heard, is the Blu Ray Audio version.
Re: The Rolling Stones “Exile on Main Street Deluxe Edition”: First listen
Posted by:
Hairball
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Date: March 23, 2020 05:10
Never really liked Plundered My Soul because of the vocals - both the lead and backup - they just sound wrong for some reason.
I did buy a couple of the 7" vinyl singles on Record Store Day, and the best part of it was All Down the Line as the B-side,
Nice cover art also:
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Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......
I did buy a couple of the 7" vinyl singles on Record Store Day, and the best part of it was All Down the Line as the B-side,
Nice cover art also:
_____________________________________________________________
Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......
Re: The Rolling Stones “Exile on Main Street Deluxe Edition”: First listen
Posted by:
padre69
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Date: March 23, 2020 10:44
I just compared the 2010 vinyl to my Artisian version and I actually like the 2010 more. Doesn’t sound brickwalled to my ears, nut I hear bass and piano better, which is nice.
BUT what is unforgivable is the quality of the artwork. Looks like a friggin’ bootleg compared with the original. Cropped images, the green sleeve too dark, the red way too bright and everything looks like it’s reprod with a cheap digi pocket camera. The overall scan quality is awful jpeg artifact mess. Anyone with a cheap basic scanner could’ve done better. I truly wonder how this could’ve happened.
BUT what is unforgivable is the quality of the artwork. Looks like a friggin’ bootleg compared with the original. Cropped images, the green sleeve too dark, the red way too bright and everything looks like it’s reprod with a cheap digi pocket camera. The overall scan quality is awful jpeg artifact mess. Anyone with a cheap basic scanner could’ve done better. I truly wonder how this could’ve happened.
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