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stoneswashed77
what you say might be true, but you can´t use the reverse logic. meaning if something is unknown it must be genius. that´s too easy again.
Of course I don't think that. It isn't relevant either.
think about that also:
say there is a world famous band who has 20 really great songs, that many people know and love. and that this band is considered by everyone also by people who know music as one of the best bands ever.
wouldn´t you expect at least one of those 20 great songs to be on their by fans selfdeclared best record.
wouldn´t you expect the world to have taken knowledge of that selfdeclared masterpiece too?? especially since they are famous and everyone listens also people who are educated in music.
I think you make a mistake by concluding that when an almost 50 years old r & r/blues/popmusic band is world famous, also many of their songs are world famous. It's exactly as concerning Mozart and Mozart's music: he's world famous but how many of his more than 600 works are? How many of his masterpieces are world famous, i.e. amongst millions and millions of people? Rather few indeed. So that says nothing at all about their quality. Just ask some people on the street to name all the songs of the Rolling Stones they know. Well, they won't name many more than Angie and Satisfaction, I predict.
mozart is a bad example though. he is overrated, but i think you also stated that somehow.
Mozart is a very good example, because he is considered as one of the greatest if not the greatest composer of all times. Especially amongst the 'famous' people in classical music and amongst almost all composers since Haydn until nowadays as well. So I don't understand that you say he's overrated and I certainly didn't state that.
i don´t think the stones are overrated as a rock band. and i don´t think their greatest songs, satisfaction, jjf, gimme shelter, rambler, ycagwyw, sympathy, brown sugar, wild horses, angie, it´s only rock´n roll, miss you, beast of burden start me up, and many more, are overrated.
In my very humble opinion especially it's only rock 'n roll, miss you and start me up are vastly overrated, to use an understatement.
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stoneswashed77
say there is a world famous band who has 20 really great songs, that many people know and love. and that this band is considered by everyone also by people who know music as one of the best bands ever.
wouldn´t you expect at least one of those 20 great songs to be on their by fans selfdeclared best record.
wouldn´t you expect the world to have taken knowledge of that selfdeclared masterpiece too?? especially since they are famous and everyone listens also people who are educated in music.
Yea I saw. And don't get me wrong, I'm way excited about this release as Exile is probably my favorite album (depends on the mood). But the economics of this thing still baffle me. I mean $90 more? For just a 30 minute DVD, the vinyl and a 50 page book?
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stoneswashed77
i never said all of their songs are famous i would say there are max. 15-20 that the average people know when you play them to them. they could probably not even name one if you ask them. but those are the songs who made them famous.
i don´t agree on mozart.
so:
satisfaction, jjf, gimme shelter, rambler, ycagwyw, sympathy, brown sugar, wild horses, angie, it´s only rock´n roll, miss you, beast of burden, start me up, are overrated.
and:
shake your hips, casino boogie, sweet black angel, torn and frayed, turd on the run, loving cup is the greatest shit ever.
okay cool, good to know.
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kleermaker
don't mix up quality with quantity.
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FreeBird
André Riool seems like the McDonald's of classical music to me.
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FreeBird
André Riool seems like the McDonald's of classical music to me.
Okay, if quantity defines quality Mc Donald's is the best restaurant in the world, because most people go to it and it's incredibly popular everywhere.
Looking for the best cooks in the world? Check Mc Donald's . Looking for the best Stones' album? Check the salesmumbers! Sometimes life seems so easy.
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kleermaker
don't mix up quality with quantity.
never did that!!! i am the last one who does!
all your examples are true. and andré rieu makes me want to vomit.
but it doesn´t prove anything regarding the stones and exile.
it doesn´t prove that everything nobody knows must be genius, so it doesn´t prove exile is genius just because noone knows it.
you should start to find some real arguments on your side.
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tatters
The 2-CD Deluxe with ten previously unreleased tracks from the peak of their career is exciting news. Having to pay an additional $120 in order to get a DVD with only a few minutes of concert footage from the peak of their career is a legitimate cause for complaining. The Deluxe is a good value. The Super Deluxe is not.
You should be able to get the Super Deluxe edition for under $100 (US). It opened at $109.98 on Amazon, and those prices always drop before release. You also get the vinyl and collectors book with that set. If you don't want the Vinyl, sell it on eBay. Or buy the Deluxe Edition and record the documentary off TV.
EDIT: The Super Deluxe edition just dropped to $98.99 (US) on Amazon.
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kleermaker
In my very humble opinion especially it's only rock 'n roll, miss you and start me up are vastly overrated, to use an understatement.
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Rip This
....both Miss You and Start Me Up are landmark tunes..i.e...defining tune summer of '78 and certainly a big part of their best selling record ever.....while Start Me Up is played across America and Europe every night in every sports areana in every sports league in various and some times several points during a match. Perhaps this tortures you...in that case..I apologize.
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kleermaker
Can't imagine that Start me up starts someone up. It slows me down, because it's boring and the contrary of exciting. Awful pace. Compare it to JJF or SFM, for example. What a difference!
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kleermaker
The only factor I can think of is what the people in the 'business', i.e. other artists, composers, musicians, Stones'scholars', Stones'experts' (amongst whom we IORRians) do think.
As far as I know the most people I mentioned up here (people in the 'business' as I described them) think that Exile is the best Stonesalbum so far.
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kleermaker
The only factor I can think of is what the people in the 'business', i.e. other artists, composers, musicians, Stones'scholars', Stones'experts' (amongst whom we IORRians) do think.
As far as I know the most people I mentioned up here (people in the 'business' as I described them) think that Exile is the best Stonesalbum so far.
don´t think most people in the "business" think so.
there are easily as many and more who would say sticky is their best.
i would say i only ask people from the "business" about that and i hardly remember exile ever being mentioned as best or even close to best.
the other big three are mentioned as best or favourite more often.
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The Greek
good ole jagger/cohl out to bleed us out of $90 us for a docu dvd and vinyl and the original tracks and the bonus 10 tracks .