Although the upcoming Exile release is a pleasant exception, I am becoming increasingly annoyed at the way the Stones are presenting their recorded body of work. I would think that they would want to open the vaults themselves rather than have this done by someone else after they are gone. What are they waiting for? To give you an idea on how this has been done correctly, witness the work Ernst Jorgensen has done presenting the archival material of Elvis presley on his FTD specialty label for BMG Sony. FTD releases are small press internet only CDs that either expand an original Elvis album in 7 inch sleeves with 2 CDs presenting the original album along with alternate takes, unreleased songs etc along with informative booklets. They also release both soundboard concert CDs and sometimes even audience recordings if they are of historical significance. Ernst has also released concept albums that never made it past the drawing board stage. And everything is outstandingly remastered.
Whether you like Elvis or not is immaterial, his archives have been presented SECOND TO NONE! The world's greatest rock and roll band should follow suit.
By the way, there are close to 80 FTD releases since 2000!

Agreed.

And what of Jimi Hendrix's catalog? A jumbled mess. Please don't let this happen with the Stones.

Jody Klein may do some things with the early stuff, but what about the stuff since 1970?

In fairness, it somewhat helps that Elvis has been dead for almost 33 years - 50% longer than the length of his career when he was alive.

It took that to get his record label to give his archives the treatment it warranted, because during his life and for the first couple of years after it, it was done in an extremely shoddy fashion.

Thankfully they got it right by entrusting that part of his catalogue to archivists who knew what they were doing and cared enough about his musical legacy.

The gulf between Klein and the Stones maybe isn't as big a chasm as many seem to believe. There's a good interview by Dean Goodman with Jody Klein in the latest issue of IORR where he states that there's been a pretty good working relationship between the Stones and ABKCO in recent years.

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Although the upcoming Exile release is a pleasant exception, I am becoming increasingly annoyed at the way the Stones are presenting their recorded body of work. I would think that they would want to open the vaults themselves rather than have this done by someone else after they are gone. What are they waiting for? To give you an idea on how this has been done correctly, witness the work Ernst Jorgensen has done presenting the archival material of Elvis presley on his FTD specialty label for BMG Sony. FTD releases are small press internet only CDs that either expand an original Elvis album in 7 inch sleeves with 2 CDs presenting the original album along with alternate takes, unreleased songs etc along with informative booklets. They also release both soundboard concert CDs and sometimes even audience recordings if they are of historical significance. Ernst has also released concept albums that never made it past the drawing board stage. And everything is outstandingly remastered.
Whether you like Elvis or not is immaterial, his archives have been presented SECOND TO NONE! The world's greatest rock and roll band should follow suit.
By the way, there are close to 80 FTD releases since 2000!

Nice to see a fellow FTD-fan! Let's hope Ernst sticks around a few more decades for us. His work for FTD has been outstanding.

Do you frequent the FECC board?

Yes, FTD CD's are great. I remember feeling a little flat about a few of the early releases, but the classic album series is second to none.

Yes I lurk on the FECC board but hate the pop ups. I have been a big Stones fan since 1973 seeing them about 50 times. This may be sacreligious but I also collect Elvis, Beatles , and Nirvana. However the Stones have always been first in my heart. But lately I have become very disillusioned with them: no new material, ridiculous ticket prices with crummy fan club reservations in the lower bowl of an arena, greed, and laziness. The Beatles box sets and USB drives were class acts. Instead the Stones gave us a crummy box with a tongue on it to put CDs in! The ya Ya's box was a tantalizing taste of what is available. I will be utterly amazed if this Exile rerelease is decent given those no frills universal remasters. Am I alone in believing that the Stones have nothing but contempt for their fans? I don't think so. (And by the way I loved B2B, ABB, Stripped and Voodoo Lounge as much as the old stuff)

There's a good interview by Dean Goodman with Jody Klein in the latest issue of IORR where he states that there's been a pretty good working relationship between the Stones and ABKCO in recent years.

YEAH!!! .... Good interview.. no rmk info but gives one faith for the future release of Stones/Klein material .....

ROCKMAN



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every band beats the stones in archive releases

Ha ha - has ANYONE ever released as much stuff as Elvis has? Er, I mean, well, you know what I mean.

I don't know about Elvis but if Jimi Hendrix was a live none of the archive stuff would ever have been released as he was a super perfectionist about what he put out to the public.


I think the Stones have contempt for old tapes they have in their vault as Mick and Keef have both stated in the past that they have no time or interest in the old stuff.

But maybe as they near the end of their touring lives they are warming to the idea as it sounds like they collaborated in picking the bonus stuff the the upcoming Exile Deluxe release.

Personally I don't think we will see a lot of the stuff coming out until at least Mick passes on and the estates start to exploit the vault material like Elvis and Hendrix...........

Speaking of archive releases I just picked up the Doors " Live in New York" box set which is all the 1970 shows from the MSG Felt Forum shows.

This is an incredible set of complete mutlitrack live recordings which were loving patched with 2 track and in some cases audience tapes where there were gaps. Great sounding tapes and a beautiful job on the packaging at a reasonable price for a 6CD set.....Another great effort by Rhino to put together this box set and a must have for any Doors fan........

"Elvis Beats Stones in terms of archival releases"

Elvis has been dead longer.

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Rockman
There's a good interview by Dean Goodman with Jody Klein in the latest issue of IORR where he states that there's been a pretty good working relationship between the Stones and ABKCO in recent years.

YEAH!!! .... Good interview.. no rmk info but gives one faith for the future release of Stones/Klein material .....

The info about 'rmk' is very simple. It's the intials of Allen Klein's daughter. It has something to do with her astrological sign. She's a Child Of The Moon or some stupid crap. The time she was conceived or born. It's an inside thing. Abkco can think of stupid crap like this when they should be thinking of releasing things we would be interested in like the 25 unreleased stereo tracks from the Brian Jones era, or a DVD of Charlie Is My Darling or thier TV appearances, which they have the original master prints of and are doing nothing with. And they wonder why this stuff is on the bootleg market.

Rob

Yay!
I love the title of this post!


Come What May

Abkco can think of stupid crap like this when they should be thinking of releasing things we would be interested


originalstones
In the interview Jody Klein did mention the possibility of future abkco
Stones reissues then at the very end was asked the meaning of rmk and prefered not ta answer ......

ROCKMAN