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Re: Ronnie arrested
Posted by: Fan Since 1964 ()
Date: December 5, 2009 04:45

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Midnight Toker
FANSINCE1964- looking forward to not seeing you at any future Stones gigs. one less person to clog Tickemaster phone lines when tix go on sale. thank you.

Ahhh but you see I've never clogged any Ticketmaster telephone lines.
I've been waiting in line outside the box offices thru thick & thin, come rain come shine. Sometimes in the middle of the winter. So there's no need for you to tell me what to do. I'm perfectly aware of what to do and not! So if you can't put up with my opinion on this matter then you maybe shouldn't be critizise me either.

I'm fully capable to take any critcs about my view on this matter, but I will not surrender to anything like some of you tried to pull on me last night and this early morning. I'm still entitled to my opinion and if you can't see that then it's you who have a problem not me.

Been Stoned since 1964 and still am!
visit: www.myspace.com/hansjansson



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-12-05 04:48 by Fan Since 1964.

Re: Ronnie arrested
Posted by: open-g ()
Date: December 5, 2009 04:54

this sounds familiar...


Too bad, she's got you by the balls
You can't get free at all

She's got your name, she's got your number
You're screaming like thunder
And you can't get away from it all

It's too bad, she's got you by the balls
You can't break loose at all

She's got your name, she's got your number
You're screaming like thunder
And you're trapped like a rat in a hole

It's too bad, she's got you by the balls
She's nailed you to the wall

It's a shame but it's funny
She crashed your car, she spent your money
And you can't get away from it all

It's too bad, she grabbed a handful
And you can't get away from it all

It's too bad, ooh and it's painful
And you can't break away from this at all
And you can't get away from it all

It's too bad

She's got you by the balls

She's got your name, she's got your number
You're screaming blue murder
And you can't get away from it all

It's too bad, she's got you by the balls

It's too bad, it's too bad
It's so sad, it's so sad

Re: Ronnie arrested
Date: December 5, 2009 04:58

If a person and especially a woman is being attacked on the street - first of all others should offer HELP. Obviously the witnesses did that. But why call the police ?? after the girl seems to be safe and doesn´t even want to charge him.

There is NO excuse for Ronnie´s behaviour and of course it is very bad publicity for the Stones - but I also think that this is being made up a little bit too much in the media, as we do not really know what exactely happened.

Their relationship seems to be very explosive - which I think is a private matter only - he knows and she knows that alcohol and all the special circumstances in their relationship are not that easy, but as they are "public" persons everybody comes along with their double moral standards. Anybody should first think about their own behaviour and mind their own business.

And why should this thread be closed ?? It is important to discuss and if some posters can not behave - learn how to do it....

Re: Ronnie arrested
Posted by: CBII ()
Date: December 5, 2009 05:39

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ThroughTheLonelyNights
If a person and especially a woman is being attacked on the street - first of all others should offer HELP. Obviously the witnesses did that. But why call the police ?? after the girl seems to be safe and doesn´t even want to charge him.

There is NO excuse for Ronnie´s behaviour and of course it is very bad publicity for the Stones - but I also think that this is being made up a little bit too much in the media, as we do not really know what exactely happened.

Their relationship seems to be very explosive - which I think is a private matter only - he knows and she knows that alcohol and all the special circumstances in their relationship are not that easy, but as they are "public" persons everybody comes along with their double moral standards. Anybody should first think about their own behaviour and mind their own business.

And why should this thread be closed ?? It is important to discuss and if some posters can not behave - learn how to do it....

My only complaint is the blokes with the White wigs have not even heard the case yet. The media is making too much of it? Hell, members right here have already executed him and buried his lifeless corpse!

It's a sad state of affairs when the legal process is not allowed to take its course. For my USA brethren, think about the Clint Eastwood movie "Hang'em High." He was accused of stealing a horse and killing the owner. A out of control lynch mob hung him with out having all the facts. Turns out they hanged an innocent man! It's looking like Ron is getting a high tech lynching here on IORR.

I'll join in bashing the living daylights out Ron if he's found guilty of a crime but not one second before. What he's accused of in inexcusable but it's not proven fact. I don't think anyone of us are qualified to make that judgement since all the facts are not in front of us.

However, I know I'm pissing in the wind with my argument so I guess I'll just do my best NOT to read this topic anymore.

Re: Ronnie arrested
Posted by: Brue ()
Date: December 5, 2009 05:52

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deadegad
If Ron tours, or not,everyone should wear a 'wife-beater' t-shirt with 'Ronnie' written on it!

A sold out stadium filled with wife-beaters!

This definitely has legs.

Re: Ronnie arrested
Posted by: open-g ()
Date: December 5, 2009 05:55

>>It's looking like Ron is getting a high tech lynching here on IORR.<<

well put, CBII

c'mon IORR folks, you can do better!

Re: Ronnie arrested
Date: December 5, 2009 06:09

And do you really think this is the end or anybody will honestly think about replacing Ronnie Wood??

C´mon they are all professionals - they have too much power and they do what they like to do (..."man, we piss anywhere"...) of course the media marketing section won´t like this incident, especially Mick
and Keith and the rest of the band will probably not appreciate it also - concerning the private matter.

BUT they will go on with their plans and the only issue will be: is Ronnie Wood capable for a tour - and of course he is - and if not I am sure they will do everything that things works out fine. !! Business !!!

Re: Ronnie arrested
Date: December 5, 2009 06:28

me again:

I do not understand the nervousness. As far as I understood he is not being accused or charged. If there is an incident where the police is called the involved persons have to tell the facts or at least tell their view - nothing else. Just an administration matter. No need to panic.

May be it´s different in the US or the rest of the world - I do not know. Or am I totally wrong??

Re: Ronnie arrested
Posted by: J.J.Flash ()
Date: December 5, 2009 06:39

Need to fire him and re-hire Taylor to save the band.

Re: Ronnie arrested
Posted by: open-g ()
Date: December 5, 2009 06:42

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J.J.Flash
Need to fire him and re-hire Taylor to save the band.


Re: Ronnie arrested
Posted by: swiss ()
Date: December 5, 2009 08:36

1. We don't know if Ronnie struck eKaterina, pulled her hair, wrenched her collar, ripped her tights, dragged her on the street, threatened to burn her with a cigarette. We don't know.

2. There are 2 named witnesses, and allegedly (according to these articles) one unnamed witness who gave a quote about them arguing for 20 minutes and seeing the above-mentioned couple taking her into their apartment after 30 minutes of rowing. There are also allegedly other witnesses who called the cops. The waiter or bartender in the curry house says Woody was there prior to Katerina drinking vodka and he ate nothing at dinner. Perhaps they are all telling the truth. Or perhaps they are all lying. Or possibly the newspapers are taking a sensationalistic non-journalistic approach to this story. We don't know.

3. We do know this is the 3rd or 4th reported incident of public yelling screaming histrionics and drunken melodrama between the two of them.

4. We do know Ronnie over the past 10-15 years has been in and out of rehab. He gets sober, he gets well, he flucks up, he starts over again, and barrels toward self-destruction. (There but for the grace of god go I.) He himself has spoken of his drug, alcohol, shopping, and gambling addictions, as well as other behavioral focked-up-ed-nesses.

5. Many of us would agree that the above--(1) the substance/behavioral shit and (2) the tempestuous reckless unstable relationship--don't bode well for any person, over time, as repeating patterns, in terms of their physical or mental health, nor in terms of their reputation. Many rock stars act this way in their 20s. Some grow out of it. Some disappear down the failure rabbit hole. Some get their shit together. Some die or kill themselves.

6. Times have changed. The Rolling Stones broke all the rules before there were rules to break. The "rules" were made after the Stones broke them all. The music industry has clamped down on their investments behaving recklessly and expensively---like being thrown in jail or beating women or marrying children or turning blue in people's bathrooms or otherwise ODing or crashing cars and running away from the police or roadies gang banging passed out underage groupies.

7. It's not just the music industry. A lot of US who, at 20, thought it was cool that Keith was a junkie, probably romanticized the rock n roll lifestyle, have been around long enough to witness directly or simply reflect on what that kind of life really is like (See Also: Cauksocker Blues). Many of us find it take your pick: sad, startling, repellent, horrible, unfortunate, whatever that a talented 62-year-old man could ALSO be so lame, self-destructive, clueless, or unhinged as to endanger themselves and the rest of the Stones by behaving as he appears to be now.

So I'm not saying "Can't we all just get along." But I am saying: whatever the unknowns (and there are many of them), the "knowns" (and there are many of them) indicate a man who does appear to be in jeopardy. Personally, as well as potentially legally, and professionally.

I do hope he gets his shit together. Because it is sad and also no fun to keep hearing, reading, and seeing Ron Wood lose his shit in public.

ps - for those who say Ronnie's too nice to do x, y, or x -- he's gone on record saying alcohol makes him like Jekkyll and Hyde. And that he just cannot stop drinking. If that's so, that's not at all surprising, cuz it's identical to how alcohol affect most alcoholics.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-12-05 08:47 by swiss.

Re: Ronnie arrested
Posted by: swiss ()
Date: December 5, 2009 08:40

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with sssoul
>> 2 witnesses, 4 witnesses. Not really the point <<

peace, okay? i was simply asking for clarification. people are reacting very strongly,
and from one point of view, keeping the facts straight may well be part of "the point".

hi with sssoul...peace indeed smiling smiley the above was written with a tone of tiredness, not anything else. It was 4 in the morning, I had not read iorr for days, got caught in the tawdry Ronnie maelstrom reading a zillion posts and articles, and was exhausted. Should have been in bed, not trying to write. Sorry for any misunderstanding.

Re: Ronnie arrested
Posted by: little queenie ()
Date: December 5, 2009 09:11

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Beast
She has gone home to Mum. I for one will pray she stays firmly put there for both their sakes.

this is good news

Re: Ronnie arrested
Posted by: triplelicks ()
Date: December 5, 2009 09:24

Ronnie Wood latest
By Jon Clements on Dec 4, 09 11:28 AM


Contrary to some inaccurate reports, Ronnie Wood was not arrested after a complaint to police by his girlfriend Katia Ivanova.

It was the 999 calls from members of the public which led police to the Rolling Stone's front door on Wednesday night.

We've got to be careful legally what we say here but even without an allegation from Katia - who apparently didn't want the cops called - Ronnie could still be in trouble.

Claygate High Street has several pubs and restaurants and some other pretty exclusive shops which doubtless have good CCTV systems. There will also have been passing buses fitted with their own cameras and cashpoints the couple may have walked past.

The eyewitnesses claim the incident lasted up to 30 minutes and happened all along the street.

Chances are it's on CCTV and if it's as serious as has been alleged the police may well prosecute even without a statement from Katia.

Under a change in the law a few years ago, the police can now charge without a complaint from a victim of domestic violence.

And if the pictures from security cameras speak for themselves that could be all a magistrate needs to reach a verdict.

Normally these incidents are NFA'd (no further action) after a few weeks but I've a feeling Ronnie may be nervous when he answers bail in January.


by Jon Clements
Crime Correspondent for the Daily Mirror.

[blogs.mirror.co.uk]

Re: Ronnie arrested
Posted by: Scooby ()
Date: December 5, 2009 10:22

There has been a general anti-Ronnie vibe on this site for several months.

During Keith's lost decade or more did Stones fans turn against him? During Charlie's brief problems in the mid-80's, did we take the moral high ground? Did Mick's philandering prompt cries of righteous indignation?

No.

Ronnie has issues with booze and clearly his private life is a mess. If he has done what the press are claiming then he will be dealt with through the proper channels.If he has done what is being reported then he will accept his punishment. Cut the guy some slack.

Whatever happened between him and Ekaterina is a private matter between those involved and the authorities and NO-ONE else.

Re: Ronnie arrested
Posted by: KeithNacho ()
Date: December 5, 2009 10:40

Ronnie runs backwards.
Izzy Stradlin?? MT is too serious, and he does'nt looks a "RS". Anyway, he plays wonderful, the best guitar player in RS history

Re: Ronnie arrested
Posted by: Rolling Hansie ()
Date: December 5, 2009 10:59

Wise words CBII

Keep On Rolling smoking smiley

Re: Ronnie arrested
Posted by: klrkcr ()
Date: December 5, 2009 11:08

In the perfect world it would be for Mick, Keith and Charlie to say "lets ge Mick T back and lets also give Bill a call"But that was another time and era,the bond of friendship between them for the past 34yrs has to account for something.Whatever happens I just wish that if the stones do tour again,it is one to remember positively, for Great music from a legendary band that are the inspiration for the term ROCK GODS.

Re: Ronnie arrested
Posted by: shortfatfanny ()
Date: December 5, 2009 11:49

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shortfatfanny
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Midnight Toker
verdict- innocent of all charges. magistrate orders woody to dump russian bimbo
and issues restraining order agianst russian bimbo. stay away from woody and his money.

"russian bimbo" - is this term meant in an ironic/sarcastic way or context I didn´t understand or racism ?

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Midnight Toker
shortfatfanny-racism? you gotta be kidding.i have friends of all races, creeds and colors.

electrina is russian, correct? she aided in breaking up a marriage, correct?. i call it the way i see it. she is a gold digger. she could be hungarian, she could be bulgarian, she could be ukranian, just dont send her to me. period.

I don´t know where you are living.
Where I live the term " bimbo " is used in a racist intention.

It might happen you gotta run very fast here if you use this or similar terms
...I´m not gonna stop you.

Seems as if it´s a " small man big mouth " attitude you´re refelecting here.


Re: Ronnie arrested
Posted by: mtaylor ()
Date: December 5, 2009 12:07

The latest news on the story:

[www.thesun.co.uk]

Re: Ronnie arrested
Posted by: mtaylor ()
Date: December 5, 2009 12:13

He now has his own topic on Mirror:

[www.mirror.co.uk]

The man is getting famous - might get his own talk- / realityshow as well. yawning smiley)

Re: Ronnie arrested
Posted by: TheKingBee ()
Date: December 5, 2009 12:18

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shortfatfanny
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shortfatfanny
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Midnight Toker
verdict- innocent of all charges. magistrate orders woody to dump russian bimbo
and issues restraining order agianst russian bimbo. stay away from woody and his money.

"russian bimbo" - is this term meant in an ironic/sarcastic way or context I didn´t understand or racism ?

Quote
Midnight Toker
shortfatfanny-racism? you gotta be kidding.i have friends of all races, creeds and colors.

electrina is russian, correct? she aided in breaking up a marriage, correct?. i call it the way i see it. she is a gold digger. she could be hungarian, she could be bulgarian, she could be ukranian, just dont send her to me. period.

I don´t know where you are living.
Where I live the term " bimbo " is used in a racist intention.

It might happen you gotta run very fast here if you use this or similar terms
...I´m not gonna stop you.

Seems as if it´s a " small man big mouth " attitude you´re refelecting here.

way, way, way OT, but how the h*ll is "bimbo" racist? I don't see it

Re: Ronnie arrested
Posted by: TheKingBee ()
Date: December 5, 2009 12:23

And I'm glad Ronnie's family and the rest of the Stones has gotten him to break it off with Kat (if one can believe that everything the Sun writes is true)

Re: Ronnie arrested
Posted by: kater-v ()
Date: December 5, 2009 13:03

Oh,it all is spreading too much and wide. Even the first and main russian radio station, that works on cable, talks about Ronnie.
Let English knight sir Michael just punch him on a nose, give two black eyes, add some more and put an end of it all....

Re: Ronnie arrested
Posted by: Green Lady ()
Date: December 5, 2009 13:39

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TheKingBee
Quote
shortfatfanny
Quote
shortfatfanny
Quote
Midnight Toker
verdict- innocent of all charges. magistrate orders woody to dump russian bimbo
and issues restraining order agianst russian bimbo. stay away from woody and his money.

"russian bimbo" - is this term meant in an ironic/sarcastic way or context I didn´t understand or racism ?

Quote
Midnight Toker
shortfatfanny-racism? you gotta be kidding.i have friends of all races, creeds and colors.

electrina is russian, correct? she aided in breaking up a marriage, correct?. i call it the way i see it. she is a gold digger. she could be hungarian, she could be bulgarian, she could be ukranian, just dont send her to me. period.

I don´t know where you are living.
Where I live the term " bimbo " is used in a racist intention.

It might happen you gotta run very fast here if you use this or similar terms
...I´m not gonna stop you.

Seems as if it´s a " small man big mouth " attitude you´re refelecting here.

way, way, way OT, but how the h*ll is "bimbo" racist? I don't see it

I've never thought it was racist - but it is an insulting and demeaning way to describe any woman.

Re: Ronnie arrested
Posted by: NickB ()
Date: December 5, 2009 13:47

Sorry I thought it both racist and demeaning to women. Any way back to on topic. I find the whole situation absurd. Here we are 14 pages in still chuntering on about Ronnie being a bit of a wife beater. Surely there's something more interesting to talk about now or we all too obsessed about it. In some respects it's quite repugnant to be picking over the bones of someones very public relationship and its eventual breakdown.

NickB

You can't always get what you want.....

www.myspace.com/thesonkings

Re: Ronnie arrested
Posted by: studiorambo ()
Date: December 5, 2009 14:22

In the other 99% of the world, a Bimbo is a girl/woman who trades on her looks at the expense of her intellect.

Re: Ronnie arrested
Posted by: shortfatfanny ()
Date: December 5, 2009 14:29

Thank you studiorambo,that´s answering my first post concerning this term.
Obviously it got different meanings in different countries ( although I´m not sure about the percentage you´re giving,anyway....it helps).


Re: Ronnie arrested
Posted by: Beaver ()
Date: December 5, 2009 14:36

If everything else fails, would be possible to have Clapton touring with the guys?

Re: Ronnie arrested
Posted by: mark666 ()
Date: December 5, 2009 15:20

There appears to be a lot of sexism towards women here so perhaps some people need to wake up to reality. In a standup fight men will mostly beat a woman depending on size and determination. This however does not mean women, drunk or sober, will not attack a man and do a lot of damage. Generally the man turns away or gets nicked if he hits her back. Dudley Moore had witnesses to his last wife beating him on a regular basis but still got nicked.

When a drunken yob pushed me outside a bar and tried to hit me, so I hit him back and his friend grabbed me as well, his girlfriend then smashed a glass into my face causing it to shatter and then slashed me with the jagged edge..... I didn't hit her back because men who hit poor women are scum arn't they and I couldn't get hold of her. I have often seen violent women attacking men or other women either drink or domestic related. It was funny when 2 cops resucued a 'lady' o/s a bar whose boyfriend had given her a blackeye... as they restrained him on the floor she ran up and kicked a Policeman in the head and she got nicked as well. Do not feck with an angry drunk women gentlemen or you will get hurt!

In Rons case two drunks had a scuffle..... maybe this poor East European 'waitress' in a brothel, cowered in terror as she will be unused to violence or maybe she attacked first. Notice the 'witnesses' who were so cncerned did not go to her assistance until Ron had gone. I do not know what happened but I do not think you should all assume women do not fight and Ronnie was not assaulted as well. Actually from their behaviour they seem well suited.

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