As i am reading and hearing so much about the upcoming 40th anniversary date for Woodstock (Aug 15th)....were the Stones ever invited to the gig?...i know about Led Zep's story....

what was led zep's story??

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what was led zep's story??

please tell

They played a show that was better paid somewhere else and in advance, Peter Grant thought that Woodstock was no big deal and "just another festival".

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what was led zep's story??

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Led Zeppelin was asked to perform, their manager Peter Grant stating: "We were asked to do Woodstock and Atlantic were very keen, and so was our US promoter, Frank Barsalona. I said no because at Woodstock we'd have just been another band on the bill". Instead the group went on with their hugely successful summer tour, playing that weekend south of the festival at the Asbury Park Convention Hall in New Jersey. Their only time out taken was to attend Elvis Presley's show at the International Hotel in Las Vegas, on August 12.

thanks for the info!!!!!

the stones were asked to perform but declined right??

not sure....still waiting for a reply.....were they on tour?....altamont was 4 mos later...i doubt it

Don't know if they were ever asked, but according to Andrew Oldham, he and the Stones couldn't stand the Ashbury Height hippy thing with the Mama's and the Papa's and CSN&Y. They apparently considered it very unreal and fake, and considered London to be the real center of the new pop culture. According to Oldham, Jagger also resented the drug intake of most American stars.

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I don't know if they were ever asked. To me they don't fit in with the Woodstock thing anyways. I can't explain it entirely but the Stones never appeared to me to be into the peace, love hippie thing they were a lot darker. I'm glad they were not there.

When the second Woodstock was being held, I think in 94, Mick mentioned words to the effect that they weren't asked to do the first and they weren't interested in the second.

We had a thread about this recently. Even if asked, Mick was contractually bound up filming Ned Kelly from July - September 1969.

I dont think the Stones would have fit in at Woodstock. They were great at that point no doubt, but they didnt exactly carry the hippy vibe. Likewise with Zeppelin. I have said the same thing about the Who. The only reason the Who were asked to perform at Woodstock was because Tommy was a big hit with the hippies, something Townshend didnt exactly like. This clip sums it up:

Thanks for all the info...

Supposedly they were at Woodstock 99 and didn't end up playing because of the fires at the end of the festival. My dad was one of the security heads for Woodstock 99. We live in Rome, NY, where Wodstock 99 was held. On the last day of the festival, the security heads were told that the Stones were going to be the surprise final act. Fans set fires near the end of the concert and things were cut short. Obviously the Stones never got to perform.

I've always found this a little hard to believe, but at the same time, this was not just a rumor floating around the festival. This information came right from the heads of the event directly to their heads of security. And I know 100% my dad wasn't pulling my leg. But still, I'd love more confirmation.

"You'll be studying history and you'll be down the gym. And I'll be down the pub, probably playing pool and drinking."

A great move by the Stones and Zep to not play that stinky festival.

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Supposedly they were at Woodstock 99 and didn't end up playing because of the fires at the end of the festival. My dad was one of the security heads for Woodstock 99. We live in Rome, NY, where Wodstock 99 was held. On the last day of the festival, the security heads were told that the Stones were going to be the surprise final act. Fans set fires near the end of the concert and things were cut short. Obviously the Stones never got to perform.

I've always found this a little hard to believe, but at the same time, this was not just a rumor floating around the festival. This information came right from the heads of the event directly to their heads of security. And I know 100% my dad wasn't pulling my leg. But still, I'd love more confirmation.

First I've heard of it. I dont recall ANY serious rumour or speculation that they were going to perform at the 1999 event.

Maybe the 1994 festival? At least that would have been a credible rumour as they were on tour in the area at the time.

The most widespread online speculation about the Stones' plans in the latter half of '99 was the insistence by some that they were going to finish the millennium with a concert somewhere (Wembley Stadium, Paris Olympia, MSG, the Moon - take yer pick), which in turn led to even wilder speculation about Taylor and Wyman guesting, the band planning to play a very long show which would be their 'farewell' .. and other such nonsense.

It turned out of course that they'd never even seriously considered playing such a show.

The Stones didn´t decline, they were never asked to play there.

Saying that the Stones despised the festival vibe of the time couldn´t be further from the truth. In fact, Woodstock was one of the main inspirations for the Stones to create their own "free festival" and we all know how that turned out...

i was at the stones concert in august 1994 at giants stadium.they told us to stay off the new york thruwau but we flew right down that saturday morning right past the festival in saugerties. we had a very nice day hanging out in central park followed by a nice dinner at the tavern on the green and then across the river to giants stadium we went.great concert by the stones ,counting crowes opened for the stones ,there was a guy sitting in front of us that heckled the counting crowes lead singer(adam duritz) the whole time .then the magic happened with the glimmers and it was special .so we are driving home back on the thruway and as we got closer to the festival site we could smell the campfires ,bonfires etc,and then the zombies appered on the thruway road just stumbling around in the dark ,the most bizzare thing .here we are doing 65-70mph and these idiots are walking in the dark in the middle of this highway.mick jagger did mention woodstock that night that the stones were NOT INVITED.there were plenty of rumors that the stones would play .that did not happen .



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The Stones were on a list but never asked with what is mentioned in Michael Lang's book. He didn't want the festival to be about certain bands only. He wanted all the bands on equal standings.

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Supposedly they were at Woodstock 99 and didn't end up playing because of the fires at the end of the festival. My dad was one of the security heads for Woodstock 99. We live in Rome, NY, where Wodstock 99 was held. On the last day of the festival, the security heads were told that the Stones were going to be the surprise final act. Fans set fires near the end of the concert and things were cut short. Obviously the Stones never got to perform.

I've always found this a little hard to believe, but at the same time, this was not just a rumor floating around the festival. This information came right from the heads of the event directly to their heads of security. And I know 100% my dad wasn't pulling my leg. But still, I'd love more confirmation.

First I've heard of it. I dont recall ANY serious rumour or speculation that they were going to perform at the 1999 event.

Maybe the 1994 festival? At least that would have been a credible rumour as they were on tour in the area at the time.

The most widespread online speculation about the Stones' plans in the latter half of '99 was the insistence by some that they were going to finish the millennium with a concert somewhere (Wembley Stadium, Paris Olympia, MSG, the Moon - take yer pick), which in turn led to even wilder speculation about Taylor and Wyman guesting, the band planning to play a very long show which would be their 'farewell' .. and other such nonsense.

It turned out of course that they'd never even seriously considered playing such a show.

It wasn't Woodstock 94 because my dad didn't work at that one and it wasn't held in Rome. The Stones were playing in Europe through June of 1999, so there is no reason the Stones couldn't be ready to play Woodstock 99 that July. Like I said, I have no reason not to believe it, but at the same time its so hard for such high profile people to do anything in secret. And I never heard any other rumours about the Stones being at Woodstock 99. I've always wondered if this was really true.

BV... can you "shine a light" on this?

"You'll be studying history and you'll be down the gym. And I'll be down the pub, probably playing pool and drinking."

michael lang is a IDIOT

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Supposedly they were at Woodstock 99 and didn't end up playing because of the fires at the end of the festival. My dad was one of the security heads for Woodstock 99. We live in Rome, NY, where Wodstock 99 was held. On the last day of the festival, the security heads were told that the Stones were going to be the surprise final act. Fans set fires near the end of the concert and things were cut short. Obviously the Stones never got to perform.

I've always found this a little hard to believe, but at the same time, this was not just a rumor floating around the festival. This information came right from the heads of the event directly to their heads of security. And I know 100% my dad wasn't pulling my leg. But still, I'd love more confirmation.

First I've heard of it. I dont recall ANY serious rumour or speculation that they were going to perform at the 1999 event.

Maybe the 1994 festival? At least that would have been a credible rumour as they were on tour in the area at the time.

The most widespread online speculation about the Stones' plans in the latter half of '99 was the insistence by some that they were going to finish the millennium with a concert somewhere (Wembley Stadium, Paris Olympia, MSG, the Moon - take yer pick), which in turn led to even wilder speculation about Taylor and Wyman guesting, the band planning to play a very long show which would be their 'farewell' .. and other such nonsense.

It turned out of course that they'd never even seriously considered playing such a show.

It wasn't Woodstock 94 because my dad didn't work at that one and it wasn't held in Rome. The Stones were playing in Europe through June of 1999, so there is no reason the Stones couldn't be ready to play Woodstock 99 that July. Like I said, I have no reason not to believe it, but at the same time its so hard for such high profile people to do anything in secret. And I never heard any other rumours about the Stones being at Woodstock 99. I've always wondered if this was really true.

BV... can you "shine a light" on this?

Ok, cheers - I assumed the '99 Woodstock would have been later - ie around the anniversary in mid-August. The Stones European tour ended June 20th I think.

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The Stones were on a list but never asked with what is mentioned in Michael Lang's book. He didn't want the festival to be about certain bands only. He wanted all the bands on equal standings.

This article backs that up. It claims that the Stones were not invited for fear that the Stones would "overwhelm" the lineup:



Woodstock + 40 = Music, mud and the masses
Epic festival still resonates as a cultural milestone
Sunday, July 26, 2009
By Scott Mervis, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
AP

Ed Chavern of West Mifflin was only 14 when he made the pilgrimage to Bethel, N.Y., 40 years ago for a weekend music festival that was creating a bit of a national buzz.

"My sister just finished her first year at Penn State and came home that summer with her new boyfriend who was the hippie type," he says. "In an attempt to get in good with my parents he offered to take me and my sister. For some bizarre reason my parents said yes."

Yes to An Aquarian Exposition: The Woodstock Music and Art Fair that would swell to biblical proportions and go down as a historical benchmark in pop culture that 40 years later would spawn a line of T-shirts, posters and things for teenage Target shoppers.

For young Ed Chavern, it was a 72-hour crash course in peace, love, drugs, music, mud and survival -- not all of it experienced firsthand. For the road trip, he ended up in a car packed full of people he didn't know, including a new mom who breast-fed her child along the way. Once they got to the now-famous Route 17B, they joined the thousands of cars on the road to Woodstock.

Of course, once his parents back home heard the national news reports that Bethel had become a disaster area, they were flipping out.

But, Chavern says, "Everyone took care of each other. Though I was only 14, completely out of my element, and frequently separated from people I knew, I felt safe. I had never seen drug use or naked people before. I did not do any drugs or anything bad there. A girl in my tent offered to take my virginity, but I was not so sure about all that and passed on the offer."

A farmer to the rescue
Most hippies would have said "the hell with it" and kicked back with a joint and a copy of "Are You Experienced?" some time around late July '69.

But Michael Lang had an excess of positive energy and a can-do attitude. The 24-year-old Brooklyn native and Florida head shop owner, with a mop of curly hair and a faraway smile, had recently pulled off the two-day Miami Pop Festival for 80,000 people and was determined to do it on a bigger scale with all the major artists of the day in the Catskills of New York.

He was more a visionary than a businessman, and the festival turned out to be much more than he and his partners at Woodstock Ventures bargained for. Exactly one month before the Aug. 15-17 festival, with the bands all booked and thousands of tickets sold, the people of Wallkill pulled the permit amid fears it was not the gentle folk fest they originally imagined.

The ugly politics extended to the music and hippie scenes. Leading concert promoter Bill Graham didn't want them cutting into his business, and Yippie leader Abbie Hoffman was extorting money from them for co-opting a hippie culture that he seemed to think he owned. Beyond that, there were a multitude of details involved with managing the money, booking the bands (the Who and the Grateful Dead wanted cash up front), constructing the stage, fences and other buildings, and trying to hire security after the New York police withdrew its support.

It was only through the grace of 49-year-old milk farmer Max Yasgur, who owned 10 farms, including Lang's dream "bowl" in Sullivan County, that the festival happened.

"Without Max Yasgur, there would have been no Woodstock ...," Lang writes in his new book "The Road to Woodstock." "He was a man of integrity and an idealist. I don't believe the money alone was what motivated him. Max was willing to rent to us to give us a fair chance to accomplish our dream -- much as he had done with the dairy."

With the help of a pound of cocaine, crew members worked through the night to construct a stage that was finished at the last minute. Never completed, though, were the ticket gates or the fences, which the radical likes of Hoffman and Paul Krassner were tearing down at night. Many people started arriving on Thursday. By Friday afternoon, traffic was tied up within a 20-minute radius, according to the book, and those hordes of people would soon be pouring into Woodstock through and over the fences.

Lang originally wanted Hendrix to perform an acoustic set on Friday afternoon, but he hadn't showed, so they recruited Greenwich Village folkie Richie Havens, who was supposed to be fifth, to hit the stage at 5:07 p.m., for an expectant crowd that was on its way to 400,000 and was going to need more food, more toilets, more medical attention and more rain gear than anyone imagined.

An amazing array of artists
The faces of Woodstock have been ingrained over the years through film clips we've seen time and time again: Havens ad-libbing his way through "Freedom." Joe Cocker wailing "With a Little Help From My Friends." Santana summoning some pagan god on "Soul Sacrifice." Country Joe McDonald leading the crowd in the sing-along of 1-2-3-4-what-are-we-fighting for. Jimi Hendrix turning the "Star Spangled Banner" into a shocking protest anthem. The serene folk of Joan Baez, the jubilant funk of Sly Stone, the punk explosiveness of The Who.

"The music was wonderful," Chavern says. "The first day we were at the second row when Richie Havens opened, then it was just an amazing array of artists. I heard Santana there for the first time and was in awe. There were only brief times when the music was not on."

A good many of the Woodstock performances went unsung because they weren't included in the Warner Bros. documentary, such as The Grateful Dead's "atrocious" rain-drenched performance, according to Jerry Garcia; The Band's subdued folk-rock set, and Creedence Clearwater Revival's rousing and hit-filled Saturday night special. (By the way, The Beatles, who weren't really touring anyway, and the Rolling Stones weren't considered because Lang thought they would "overwhelm" the bill.)

Mountain had only played two shows before, and no one really knew who the New York band was, but it got in due to sharing an agent with Hendrix. A heavy blues-rock outfit, it was more in line with The Who or Ten Years After than the San Francisco hippies and folkies.

"I wasn't really even smoking pot. Peace and love? Wasn't into that. I used to make a joke that somebody would give you the peace sign and say 'peace and love' while they steal the tires off your car," says Mountain's Leslie West.

He and the band got there via helicopter from 60th street in Manhattan.

"When I got up there and looked out and saw 400,000 people, I said, 'Holy Jesus, how did they find this place in the woods?' "

Although the crowd was at its peak when Mountain played between Canned Heat and the Dead on Saturday night, West says, "I couldn't even see past the first maybe 5,000 people. We got a good slot, Saturday night just when it was getting dark. You could hear those people, man. I had been using two stacks of Sunn amps. One of the roadies took me up to eight stacks of Sunn amps, and all of a sudden, my guitar scared me. I'm looking at the set list and I don't even remember that we did all those songs. I wasn't high or anything. I just don't remember."

The helicopter pilot didn't want to fly in the dark, so Mountain stayed the night to see Creedence, The Who and other bands. West was disappointed, though, when the Oscar-winning movie came out and there was no Mountain. The band had hit a year later with "Mississippi Queen," but a scene in "Woodstock" would have gone a long way.

"I'm sure it would have," West says. "Look what it did for Ten Years After. I don't know what happened to the footage. I was young and naive. I felt bad when I heard the movie was coming out and we weren't in it. But they released two albums. The first one, and then 'Woodstock II,' which we were on. At least we were at the festival. I don't think anyone had seen anything like it before and never will again."

For Duke Devlin, a Texas hippie who ventured to Woodstock and never left, one of the stage highlights was a nonmusical one. "The who's who of the culture was on that stage, and there were people we'd never heard of on that stage who are now the who's who of the culture. I'd almost have to say that my most memorable stage presence was when the local dairy farmer Max Yasgur got up on the stage and welcomed us all. He even God-blessed us. It was kind of touching. Here was the guy whose farm we were on, and he was saying, 'It's OK. You're welcome here. Have fun, nothing but fun and music.' You really felt good about that."

Local artist gets on the stage
Colleen Nelson ventured to Woodstock as a visiting artist whose paintings would be hung in the trees.

In addition to the $18 ticket, the student at the former Ivy School of Professional Art in Pittsburgh purchased a $2 Artist Pass so that she could deliver her art, which was strapped to the top of a Volkswagen Beetle, directly to the staging area.

"On the way we heard on the radio that there were huge traffic jams as people from New York City headed to the festival," Nelson says. "So we took back roads, and it wasn't until we were within a few miles of the farm that cars were being pulled over and people were beginning to walk. Police were directing the traffic, and they flagged us through because we had that little sticker in our window that was our stage pass. My friends were impressed! We still talk about that sticker!"

When she got there, she marveled at how colorful everything was and knew it would be a blast. "The Hog Farm had teepees pitched in the trees, a huge outdoor kitchen, tables, a fire pit, tents, walkways strung with Christmas lights, generators humming, kids playing, wonderful smells coming from the big pots. I had my first bowl of granola there. Remember Wavy Gravy's line in the movie about 'breakfast in bed'? Well, he and the Hog Farm had been there for weeks setting up a West Coast hippie dream of camping out and feeding thousands, providing first aid, a trip tent, doctors ... in tie-dye, of course. I was taken by the heady energy of these folks who knew what to do and how to have a great time doing it."

On Friday, she made creative use of the honorable mention ribbon she won for her paintings.

"I took that big ribbon, pinned it on the front of my shirt and told the guard at the stage gate that I was part of the crew. He let me in, and I went on stage and watched the bands set up. Later, I sat on stage and watched Joan Baez and Arlo Guthrie play."

For Nelson, who lives in Greene County and is an outreach worker for the federal government, along with her art and freelance writing, a weekend at Woodstock has given her bragging rights for life.

"My daughter's friends think I'm way cool. About a month after I got home I got a check for $30 in the mail -- my prize money for the art show. To my mind, that was the coolest part. After all, I'd gone there thinking it was an art show with some music thrown in for good measure. Ha! What did we know? Woodstock was the first of its kind. We saw it all without preconceived notion. And I got paid for doing it!"

Woodstock lives on
Even in the 40th anniversary year, the legacy of Woodstock is still up for debate. Some say it was the beginning of an era. Others say that era ended abruptly with the violent Altamont Festival later in '69 and the drug-related deaths of Hendrix, Joplin and Jim Morrison a year later. Before you knew it, we were ushered into the Me Decade.

The more idealistic argument, basically, is that Woodstock proved that nearly a half-million people could endure traffic, rain, food shortages, overcrowding and other discomforts, and thrive together without a single violent episode (unless you count the flamed hamburger stand).

Lang quotes John Lennon as once saying, "Woodstock is the biggest mass of people ever gathered together for anything other than war." Lang, who sold his rights to the Woodstock name shortly after the festival, writes that "The spirit embraced at Woodstock continues to grow. You see it in the many green movements, in grass-roots organizations like MoveOn, and in what some pundits have called a Woodstock moment, the election of our first African-American president."

On a more modest scale than world leadership is the fact that the spirit of Woodstock still pervades a pop culture obsessed with recycling. Nine-year-olds are wearing Woodstock T-shirts from Target. Many of the Woodstock artists are touring and making music, even playing the year-old Woodstock museum and concert facility. The hippie community of Woodstock, embodied for so long by the Dead and its followers, is re-created weekly in the jam-band subculture from Bonnaroo to All Good. Hollywood is getting in on the act with the comedy "Taking Woodstock."

As for specific Woodstock products, Warner Home Video has released a four-hour director's cut of the movie "Woodstock: 3 Days of Peace and Music," and Rhino has released "Woodstock -- 40 Years On: Back to Yasgur's Farm," a 77-song, six-CD collection featuring 38 previously unreleased recordings.

With the aura of Woodstock still embraced by new generations, it's likely to live on long after the Woodstock Generation is gone.

"There was magic in the air, and it made folks hungry for more," Nelson says. "That spirit of wonderment I believe has become part of the spiritual underpinnings of our culture. We know it's there. We saw it, we told our friends, we raised our families and carried it into our lives. We all have a little bit of Woodstock in our hearts now. It's part of our cultural soundtrack and a splash of color on our collective consciousness."

Scott Mervis can be reached at smervis@post-gazette.com or 412-263-2576.
First published on July 26, 2009 at 12:00 am

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