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where is this photo from with the greek/roman columns?Quote
timbernardis
this may be it, but someone told me there was another one even more closely in alignment with the album cover:
The Roman style pillars in the background kinda compare but the crowd is not giving him the fascist salute.
u know there are pics of members of the Stones and the Who in nazi uniforms from the 60s, maybe 70s, and of course the punks did a lot of that, but mostly for shock value, not cuz they were pro nazi. where is this photo from with the greek/roman columns?
still i realise it is a totally different thing to a german and i doubt there were ANY german punks wearing swastikas as they would have been arrested.
but i do NOT think the stones based their colours deliberately on the third reich,just as i do not believe mick is pronazi/antijewish or whatever just cuz he did some work with leni.
But I do wonder and scatch my head tryin to figure out what was in his mind, maybe just a working with a celebrity thing as someone said. But can that be taken as kinda unknowing/not wanting to know/callous on his part?
Hate to say it again, but there are shades of Celebrity and Idolatry that seem to abound in this topic. Who is idolising who?
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Gazza
That's not the one, Tim - the one I'm thinking of is so blatant, its quite striking.
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The Greekwhere is this photo from with the greek/roman columns?Quote
timbernardis
this may be it, but someone told me there was another one even more closely in alignment with the album cover:
The Roman style pillars in the background kinda compare but the crowd is not giving him the fascist salute.
u know there are pics of members of the Stones and the Who in nazi uniforms from the 60s, maybe 70s, and of course the punks did a lot of that, but mostly for shock value, not cuz they were pro nazi. where is this photo from with the greek/roman columns?
still i realise it is a totally different thing to a german and i doubt there were ANY german punks wearing swastikas as they would have been arrested.
but i do NOT think the stones based their colours deliberately on the third reich,just as i do not believe mick is pronazi/antijewish or whatever just cuz he did some work with leni.
But I do wonder and scatch my head tryin to figure out what was in his mind, maybe just a working with a celebrity thing as someone said. But can that be taken as kinda unknowing/not wanting to know/callous on his part?
Hate to say it again, but there are shades of Celebrity and Idolatry that seem to abound in this topic. Who is idolising who?
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Gazza
That's not the one, Tim - the one I'm thinking of is so blatant, its quite striking.
This is probably from this one Peellaert worked...
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timbernardis
mitch - yes i am sure u are right. Gazza - is this the one u were thinking of? And pls describe what the bettmann archives is and where it is.
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tomk
What year was Peelaert's book Rock Dreams? 1973?
That had the Stones/Nazi photo, too.
He probably went one step further for the IORR cover.
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The Greek
timbernardis, thank you for the ansewr, can you tell me when was this place built,pre third reich ,or was this one of @#$%&'s public works projects in the mid thirties. to me it kinda looks like it was around before @#$%&?
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Gazza
That's not the one, Tim - the one I'm thinking of is so blatant, its quite striking.
This is probably from this one Peellaert worked...
yep. Thats the one.
I live in Italy and lots of public buildings and monuments built during Fascism are still there and preserved, for example the Foro Italico, AKA Stadium of MarblesQuote
timbernardis
Why they werent bombed out of existence is beyond me. I think the large stone swastika that once adorned the top of the comlumned building/facade was blown up and in fact i think there is historical footage of its explosion.
The Fuhrerpodium is still there. However awful of a place, it should always be preserved for history and as testament to that time and that terror. It is really part of a huge complex built around a lake and includes a massive unfinished congress hall which i think was designed by Speer. Tho unfinished, it is still huge and u can get a definite idea of the total expanse of the building and complex.
thank you for the ansewr to my question .i am troubled but not surprised in the least that mr jagger would use someone of her background and the only cynical explantion that i can come up with is she probaly said she would do the work for free which we all know what a sheenie that mick is ! mick whats the matter annie lebowitz wanted you to pay for her photos and well we know that you dont like letting go of pound now do you? bad taste mick let me remind you of a little fact .do you remember world war 2 .do you remember the blitz in london ? if not please check with your friend keith richards and he will fill you in on THE FACTS .wow poor judgement mickQuote
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The Greek
timbernardis, thank you for the ansewr, can you tell me when was this place built,pre third reich ,or was this one of @#$%&'s public works projects in the mid thirties. to me it kinda looks like it was around before @#$%&?
This was specifically a Third Reich project, would have to double check, but it seems that, like The Eagle's Nest haus and road project, it was a monumental effort requiring special materials, a speeded-up materials delivery and construction schedule, and it was just still a ways off when the war started and then not much work got done after that as materiels were diverted to the "war effort."
They even had to sink loads of earth, rocks, maybe other stuff, into part of the lake which it bordered on/was partially built on, just to build the foudation and to support the massive structure.
I will try to post some of my fotos of the entire site (Kongress-Halle (spelling??), Party Rally Grounds, etc) later this week when I get a chance.
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iamthedj
Why should Mick not associate with her. She was a fellow artist. Should we all only associate with people whose political/social views we agree with. I'd love to have met Leni and asked her all about @#$%&, Goering, Goebbels, etc. It's fascinating.